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Friday, April 22. 2016Friday morning links
Got a ride last night in a pal's new Tesla. After two whiskeys, even he was startled by the acceleration. Everything loose in the car flew to the back. Rocket Man. Then he had to demonstrate its no-hands driving. Sheesh. Vanilla Mania - Do we need the real thing or can we do with a number of molecules? NY real estate: Regulatory Arbitrage, Rent-Seeking and the Deal of the Year New Land, Expansionism, and Affordability - A Sketch-Theory of Why Suburbia and Exurbia Are So Resilient How the Hillsong Cool Factor Changed Worship for Good and for Ill Sipp: How The Festival of Trash Saved My Bacon Vinerism strikes the snowmobiling industry Oh dear. Fewer fossil fuel burning, carbon-spewing loud machines racing thru the woods Americans Really Enjoying This Warmer, More Agreeable Weather VDH: The horrors of Hiroshima in context Harvard Law School Students Want To End Tuition Duh. I want a free Maserati. Transgender Hate Hoax at University of North Carolina Without fake hate, there would be darn little hate U of Wisconsin is a hotbed of racism UC Berkeley Touts $15 Minimum Wage Law, Then Fires Hundreds Of Workers After It Passes The Primaries Aren’t Democratic? They’re Not Supposed to Be Democratic. Transgender Hate Hoax at University of North Carolina - See more at: http://moonbattery.com/?p=71223#sthash.ux5nnfMJ.dpuf Sheriff Clarke Blasts Clinton for Pandering, Dehumanizing Blacks If only Barack and Bernie could do for the USA what Hugo and Nicolas have done for Venezuela THOUSANDS Line Highway to Get a Glimpse of Donald Trump in Maryland Trump's Policies Will Have Trumpkins 'Mad as Hell' Hillary: “We Have Just Too Many Guns . . . In Our Homes” Says the woman who is surrounded by men with guns 24/7 Colorado school district to arm security officers with semiautomatic rifles Sounds crazy Clinton Insider Says He 'Wouldn't Be Surprised' If Hillary's Server Was Hacked Hillary Clinton Is Too Big to Fail Hillary Clinton Is Too Big to Fail Z-man on women in combat:
Professor Withholding Recommendation for Female Student Who Likes Guns When the West appeases Islam ...they just go back for more 5 ‘big ideas’ to guide us in the Long War against Islamic extremism Regulatory Arbitrage, Rent-Seeking and the Deal of the Year - See more at: http://marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2016/04/regulatory-arbitrage-deal-of-the-year.html#sthash.0fa5Lo0p.dpuf Regulatory
Arbitrage, Rent-Seeking and the Deal of the Year - See more at: http://marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2016/04/regulatory-arbitrage-deal-of-the-year.html#sthash.0fa5Lo0p.dpuf Thursday, April 21. 2016Thank you, AllstateFancy folk have Chubb and the others, but good old Allstate has been a boon to our family over the past few months. Also, pleasant, helpful, and easy to deal with. Eager to please. A near-total car crash and, this week, a burst water pipe in the basement. Whatever it is, they send people to fix and repair every mess, like the Cat in the Hat. We have their Homeowner's, their Auto, their Business, and their Umbrella. Worth it. We have been expensive to them this year, but 25 years with only one (also a basement water pipe) previous claim. Hope they don't cancel us. Thanks, Allstate.
"Dear Scrotty Students"This letter was a hoax of sorts, posted somewhere on the internet as a response from Oxford to students attending as Rhodes Scholars to remove the statue of Oxford Benefactor Cecil Rhodes. Not sure who wrote this. Best line to the students: "Understand us and understand this clearly: you have everything to learn from us; we have nothing to learn from you." American higher ed administrators might bear that in mind. Dear Scrotty Students, Cecil Rhodes’s generous bequest has contributed greatly to the comfort and well being of many generations of Oxford students – a good many of them, dare we say it, better, brighter and more deserving than you. This does not necessarily mean we approve of everything Rhodes did in his lifetime – but then we don’t have to. Cecil Rhodes died over a century ago. Autres temps, autres moeurs. If you don’t understand what this means – and it would not remotely surprise us if that were the case – then we really think you should ask yourself the question: “Why am I at Oxford?” Oxford, let us remind you, is the world’s second oldest extant university. Scholars have been studying here since at least the 11th century. We’ve played a major part in the invention of Western civilisation, from the 12th century intellectual renaissance through the Enlightenment and beyond. Our alumni include William of Ockham, Roger Bacon, William Tyndale, John Donne, Sir Walter Raleigh, Erasmus, Sir Christopher Wren, William Penn, Samuel Johnson, Robert Hooke, William Morris, Oscar Wilde, Emily Davison, Cardinal Newman. We’re a big deal. And most of the people privileged to come and study here are conscious of what a big deal we are. Oxford is their alma mater – their dear mother – and they respect and revere her accordingly. And what were your ancestors doing in that period? Living in mud huts, mainly. Sure we’ll concede you the short lived Southern African civilisation of Great Zimbabwe. But let’s be brutally honest here. The contribution of the Bantu tribes to modern civilisation has been as near as damn it to zilch. (The "letter" continues below the fold)
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Thursday morning linksWhite Privilege Conference Too Privileged? At least she's honest Are Parents Bankrupting Themselves to Look Adequate? Why more women are letting their husbands cheat The Lemonade Menace - Armed agents of the state protect us from children everywhere. Study Shows Competition from School Choice Improves Education This Parent’s Craigslist Ad For A Women’s Studies Tutor Proves America Is Over Hate Hoaxer Kayla McKelvey Could Get Jail Time Hate Hoaxer Kayla McKelvey Could Get Jail Time Gay Person + Cake = News, Even If It’s a Hoax Yiannopoulos has repeatedly faced opposition during his "Most Dangerous Faggot" speaking tour. Federal Park Ranger Mocks Founders, Constitution ... While Leading Tour of Independence Hall! How Democrats Destroyed Camden - A city's unwavering allegiance to the Party that ruined it. California’s Pension Hubris - If a new plan goes forward, CalPERS will get its hands on billions in private-sector retirement funds. "This Is Going To Be A National Crisis" - One Of The Largest U.S. Pension Funds Set To Cut Retiree Benefits Why Are We Expecting the Next President To Fix the Economy? We should be demanding only that they don't keep screwing it up. George Soros Only Funder of ‘Immigrant Voters Win PAC’ For Cleveland: Wanted: Street Activists to ‘Change the World … and Get Paid’ Why You Don't Understand Trump. OK old people. I'm going to try to explain it to you. Re Trump: He is like the dog that caught the car he was chasing; he doesn’t know what to do next. Donald Trump Plans to Adopt More-Traditional Campaign Tactics - GOP front-runner says his campaign is evolving; coming soon are policy addresses, teleprompters and a speechwriter My guess is that Manafort asked him whether he was serious "With Donald Trump, for the very first time, American conservatives will have a clever, determined, and fearless mongoose going after this Clinton cobra" Saudi Arabia Snubs Obama on the Tarmac, Sending Only a Minor Dignitary to Greet Him As He Arrives On His Farewell Tour Obama's making a futile trip. The United States and Saudi Arabia no longer see anything the same way. The non-Islamic factors on which Islamic terrorism is blamed are not unique to Muslims. Only Islam is. Taiwan is on Its Own Mosul: Iraq's National Battle Versus ISIS's Apocalyptic Battle
Wednesday, April 20. 2016Bill Whittle speaks to college kidsBill Whittle Goes Into the Lion's Den Darn good job. Why the college admin called him a Nazi and deleted his speech/Q&A is beyond me. Why not just call him a poopy-face or something if you don't like his points of view? Whittle is a likeable, humble, engaging fellow. I would enjoy meeting him over a beer.
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An argument for government Pre-K in the US
Does Pre-Kindergarten Education Work - or Not? Wrong, because the true Progressive argument is more unionized "teaching" jobs. We all know that "Pre-K" is a euphemism for babysitting. Prosperous moms use nursery school so they have time to volunteer, get to the gym, and play tennis. And, of course, to get a break from the brats. "Education"? Well, if your parents can't teach you to speak, count, add, or recite the alphabet, you are in trouble anyway. Blame your parent(s) for a crappy start in life, and get yourself going.
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A question for you TrumpistasWhy do you like Trump? Is it because you think he is the only Repub who can win, is it his attitude and the atmospherics, is it plain hope, or is it his policy tendencies? Besides immigration, in my view nothing he says about policy makes any sense to me. So why Trump? Tell me. I am persuadable.
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Wednesday morning linksYouTube and THE SECRET RULES OF THE INTERNET - The murky history of moderation, and how it’s shaping the future of free speech 'Unparalleled' discovery of Roman villa beneath Wiltshire garden England is full of buried Roman villas. Living tiny in NYC With the whole city that never sleeps at your doorstep and the corner pub as a living room, you can just have a dormitory. Are You Planning A Cake Hoax? These 5 Tips Will Make Sure It’s A Success "The car business is an example of how automation can be minimized." "Rejection of those we deem too aggressive to function in mainstream society is not a good enough answer." Breaking News from 1973: Burgers Won't Kill You
How trendy politics is killing Teach for America Student Loan Excesses Harm the Most Vulnerable Mizzou Records Show Students Feared Violence and Felt Targeted by Protestors No safe spaces? More Illegal Immigrants Convicted of Crimes At Large in the U.S. Than The Population of Pittsburgh Math for Girls, Math for Boys - Why don’t females compete in international math olympiads at the same rate as their male classmates? How America’s Coastal Cities Left the Heartland Behind - St. Louis and other Buy-outs hurt towns like St. Louis Diversity is a word that the Left conjured up to escape the The Democratic debate was just old people yelling Kimball: Why I Support Ted Cruz:
From the Halls of Montezuma to the Shores of Gender Neutrality Merkel’s Road to Moral Surrender - Germany’s recklessly humanitarian leader betrays her country’s liberal values. Bus Bombing in Jerusalem - A message of "peace" from the Palestinians as the UN Security Council discusses the Mideast conflict. Congressional testimony highlights ties between Hamas-linked charities, BDS 9-11 was "an accident": SWEDEN HAS A PROBLEM UNESCO changes history, denies existence of Jerusalem Temple Once seen as White House triumph, new nation of South Sudan descends into war, misery Tuesday, April 19. 2016"To reprise my old line: The process is the punishment."Steyn's piece on Merkel is relevant to the AGs going after Exxon:
The litigants win whether they win or lose. Exxon can afford the lawyers and the time, but can you? Thus self-censorship and paranoia.
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Tuesday morning linksWhy Are My Seedlings Leggy? What Causes Leggy Seedlings And How To Prevent It Tennis: David Foster Wallace’s Perfect Game New Research Shows Vegetable Oils Are Not Good for Heart Diseases. Sin makes us sad Man takes sleeping pills, accidentally orders a yak online How to manage your supply of the very best chocolate About the author of the site A Force for Good A Maggie's sort of guy 76-Year-Old Asks SCOTUS to Overturn Life Sentence for 37 Pot Plants Why kids fall behind in science How to manage your supply of the very best chocolate - See more at: http://marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2016/04/how-to-manage-your-supply-of-the-very-best-chocolate.html#sthash.oGRUrhIR.dpuf Academe Is Overrun by Liberals. So What? Mizzou students demanded ‘heat and refrigeration’ during November protests Remarkably spineless admin Can You Say, “Quota”? ‘Gender’ Madness: How Far It’s Gone Campus community hunts for missing vulva White Privilege Conference: Almost Everything Bad Is Tied To Christianity Can Civility Be Restored to Our Campuses? Gillibrand's tearful plea to Bernie: Give up your guns Dirty Big Green Criminalizes Climate Science - How corrupt and abusive the Green Mob has grown Dem AGs Colluded With Activists To Prosecute Exxon And Then Tried To Cover It Up Top Earners Gave an Average of $33 Million Each to Charity, IRS Says The CDC Keeps Lying About Adolescent Vaping and Tobacco Use - The agency bizarrely counts tobacco-free, noncombustible e-cigarettes as a kind of tobacco. To Broke and Back - The story of the Motor City’s return from bankruptcy’s brink Catholic parishioners seek federal fraud probe of Sanders' wife for land deal Hacking Hillary: Panama Papers Show Danger of Clinton’s Secret Server 3 Major Problems With ‘Confirmation,’ HBO’s Anita Hill History Rewrite Working-Class Heroes - The 2016 election shows that, when talking about class, Americans and their candidates are both out of practice. Obama Administration Admits It Could Have Respected Nuns’ Rights After All
So long to the ‘Sister Souljah moment’ - The Democratic Party is moving swiftly and resoundingly left Why Hillary Clinton Thrills the Hell Out of Me Not satire CNN Commentator on Hillary’s High Unfavorables: ‘A Lot of This is Sexism’ Not satire Guardian: Only Bernie Sanders can break the power of capitalism in the US Trump May Soon Discover Independent Campaign Is His Only Option Left
Trump is not a narcissist, but he plays one on TV Why Obama is unteachable - The president distrusts America’s definition of its interests Pressure grows on US Marines to consider lowering combat standards for women When all else fails, lower your standards A Palestinian state has never existed during any period in human history. Let’s change that. What If Israel Had Given Up the Golan Heights? A Lesson for Syria’s Crisis. UK to slash UN agency funding by £180m over failed Unesco reforms
Monday, April 18. 2016State of the nationVDH: Sleeping Dogs Are Waking. Americans tend to prefer to care more about the details of their personal lives than about national politics, but at some point they can feel kicked enough to wake up. At some point, people realize that they might not be too interested in Washington, but that Washington effects them more than they wish. Kick, kick, kick.
Hey Bernie!
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Monday morning linksTax Day: The Long, Sordid Tale Of The American Income Tax. 45% of Americans pay no federal income tax Coachella promoters look to book Dylan, Stones, McCartney and Young for mega-concert Grappa – Italy’s Favorite Digestif Tastes like gasoline Runaway Farm Subsidies and Diet Guideline Fights: Federal Food Policy Is a Mess Farm subsidies are corporate welfare. Food policy? A joke. Not their job anyway We all lie, scientists say, but politicians even more so How Feminism Is Ruining Women’s Soccer Homeland Security warns Windows PC users to uninstall Quicktime Congress Is Getting a Special Exemption from ObamaCare—and No, It’s Not Legal Obamacare is for the masses Why Obamacare Won’t Lead to Universal Coverage Shrunken Citigroup Illustrates a Trend in Big U.S. Banks Battle over Obama immigration actions lands before Supreme Court Professional Educator: Grades, Showing Up On Time Are A Form Of White Supremacy How Dumb Are Today's College Students? They are not this dumb, just trying to stay PC to keep out of trouble
NY: Proof that ‘worthless diplomas’ are just what city government wants College Cancels Debate Between Conservative And Liberal BECAUSE CONSERVATIVE WAS PARTICIPATING DePaul University bans chalk for student safety Mississippi students demand state flag be removed from campus because 'it's offensive' At this point, it's just scalp-taking There is no systemic racism, and she knows it Hillary Has Now Repudiated All Of Bill Clinton’s Presidency Will the Wheels of Justice Grind Hillary? Put not your trust in email scandals. Kasparov: How The Donald represents the worst of a great city "My thinking now is that the election is likely to be a blowout landslide, somewhere between the elections of 1980 and 2008 in scope. I just don’t know which way." Germany tells migrants to learn German, get a job or lose benefits Japan’s Descent into Keynesian Parody Europe Demands Referendum Ban After Immigration Policy Rejected Your superiors say Shut Up How Islam Created Europe - In late antiquity, the religion split the Mediterranean world in two. Now it is remaking the Continent. UK: What British Muslims Really Think PM slams UNESCO resolution ignoring Jewish connection to Temple Mount Saudi Arabia: It’s time! Sunday, April 17. 2016The SystemRe yesterday's link about what the hippie discovered, a David Burge quote: "Capitalism" isn't a "system," it's a word made up by an 1860s hipster dipshit to whine about people voluntarily buying and selling stuff."
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Saturday, April 16. 2016A hippie discovers an idea which could change the world
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Saturday morning linksThe Sexy Bride Look and the Designers Behind Them A Debate Over the Shape of the Invisible Universe - The more astronomers learn about dark matter, the more intriguing it becomes. Artificial Intelligence Can Now Design Realistic Video and Game Imagery ‘Tiger Whisperer’ mauled to death by tiger Like the grizzly guy. These people are deluded Damn the foodies and their snobbish lingo The rise and fall of Subway, the world’s biggest food chain Cannabis: scientists call for action amid mental health concerns ‘Life After College’ Author Jeff Selingo: ’50 Percent Of Recent College Graduates Are Under-Employed’ In their humble opinion Helping to level the AP playing field: Why eighth grade math matters more than you think The Poverty Excuse for School System Failure is Nonsense Ohio University students demand police investigation after peers mock safe-spaces Some at Rhodes College see racist messages in ‘prank’ Racism must be invented to keep that narrative going Trump chalking by College Republicans is a ‘hate crime,’ black students claim Artificial Intelligence Can Now Design Realistic Video and Game Imagery
The Under-reported Disaster Of Renewable Energy Schemes Unhinged Leftist of the Week Thousands of teachers flock to ‘White Privilege Conference’ "...ObamaCare was always meant to collapse the private insurance industry Krauthammer: Obama Stonewalls Because ‘It Works,’ Partially Due To the Media How the GOP Made Obama One of America’s Most Powerful Presidents - By stonewalling new laws and new budgets, Congress handed control to the White House. Rush Explains the Rise of Trump Budget cuts leaving Marine Corps aircraft grounded Germany's Merkel criticized for allowing prosecution of comedian who mocked Erdogan Germany has strange laws Aggressive UN Pushing High-Risk Birth Control on African Women Who Don't Want It Hate Hoax: Syrian Refugee in Bingen am Rhein Spray-Paints Swastikas, Sets Fire to Shelter The BDS Movement: On The Inside Friday, April 15. 2016Primary care physicians becoming extinctPolygamyPolygamy is constitutional in the US. It has to be. Of course it is. It is not the Court's job to reinforce culture, customs, taboos, and traditions other than their own. We can label some things or people as immoral or depraved, but there is freedom too. Pop culture changes as Judeo-Christian standards decline. Adultery used to have a death sentence unless you were royalty or an aristocrat. Today, it seems unremarkable as habits of the lower classes and those of the rich and powerful converge.
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The Moore MomentFriday morning links
Is Cremation a Pagan Practice Which Christians Should Avoid? The New England Puritans just threw the corpse in the ground, put a rock on top, and went and got drunk. The little kids too. Hard cider, mainly. Health update: Eat more chocolate And more animal fats... what next? This Is How to Confront Campus Crybabies Special Snowflakes Petition Against Tulane Frat’s Trump Wall, Claims It “Threatens” Muslims… No real safe space at University of Texas Empty dorms, empty mansions Federal judge calls IRS untrustworthy in tea party case What did Americans know as the Holocaust unfolded? Quite a lot, it turns out. U.S. Gives 680,000 Green Cards to Migrants from Muslim Nations
How the GOP Ended Up with Too Many 2016 Candidates The Coming Conservative Dark Age - Mediacracy Clinton vows to create new agency to assist illegal aliens Assist them with what? Clintonism, RIP Germany: A dirty – not particularly funny – poem just turned into an ‘international crisis’ Nice goin', Angela Venezuela to ration malls, change clocks, to save power Bernie's dream Air France: "Once you give them an inch, they want a mile. Concessions mean weakness for them." It's never enough for negotiators. Smart negotiators take the long view. Drip, drip, drip. Bernard-Henri Lévy: Taking Sides in the War Within Islam The War Games Will Determine the Future of the US Marine Corps Thursday, April 14. 2016Climate Change Won’t Kill You
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Do you live in a bubble?
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Thursday morning linksThe 6 elements of an effective apology, according to science The World's Most Dangerous Airport Low fat diet correlated with more heart attacks Woops This study 40 years ago could have reshaped the American diet. But it was never fully published:
The Youngest Casualties in the War on Obesity "War" on obesity? What? Let them eat cake if they want to. Sultan: Civilizations go through three stages; Barbaric, Vigorous and Decadent. Anti-Zionism Is Anti-Semitism. Get Over It. Psychiatrist: Overprotective Parents Are Creating Easily-Offended College Students Wrong. It's faux offense for bullying purposes. College: "You sniveling little lunatic ......s." It Begins: Obama Forgives Student Debt Of 400,000 Americans Climate Change Is A Terminal Diagnosis Or Something WSJ Confirms Collusion Behind #ExxonKnew Blue state pensions: Unimaginable Math Problems Why Minimum Wage Is Bad For Workers, Great For Unions It is that simple De Blasio Jokes About 'Colored People Time' With Hillary At Charity Event Around here we call it Island Time Verizon CEO Joins GE in Criticizing Bernie Sanders’ Views George Soros Warns Europe: Absorb 500k Refugees Costing $34Bn, Or Risk "Existential Threat" A madman Wargame Warns NATO Unready For Baltic Crisis Why Violent Islamists Assault Antiquity The new grenade launcher Wednesday, April 13. 2016Wednesday morning linksImage: That machine needs a roll bar. On second thought, so do all tractors Adult dorms are no joke — they’re something we need Like the YMCA usta be. Hope it catches on for young city folk. Loneliness sucks and shared spaces are cheap. Why Corporations Oppose Religious Liberty New look at ancient shards suggests Bible even older than thought 2 UGA players face felony gun charges for shooting BB gun in dorm. A BB gun? Come on, people. BB guns are like totally fun toys. Also, a good way to prepare kids for real firearms. Black-only dorms: UConn’s Civil Rights Failure Under Obama, race relations at all-time low Should Yale Hire The “Most Diverse”? Charm School - I don’t want to have a civil discussion. I want to call you assholes. Blue State blues: Surging deficits threaten Providence The Fight for the Future of NPR - A slow-moving bureaucracy. An antiquated business model. A horde of upstart competitors Don’t Let the Opt-Out of Common Core Testing Movement Fool You Climate Change Hits the Snooze Button Climate-change deniers deserve punishment "Interest Rates - 'The Great Game'" NOW President: Abortion Is Necessary´; First Amendment Should Be Repealed OK. Repeal it for her first. We're funnier and redder than The Boston Globe! Wrong, from a libertarian standpoint. Heather has five Mommies. We're funnier and redder than The Boston Globe! Obama Admin Advised Against Calling Iranian Missile Tests Deal Violation… Colorado Senator Rips Into Trump: How Can You Beat ISIS If You Can't Figure Out Convention? Trump Whines About Being Cheated. He Was Only Cheated By His Very Good Brain And The Very Best People. Hillary Confirms Trillion Dollar Tax Hike Plan Bill Clinton can’t stop talking about himself
Book: The Encyclopedia of Militant Islam A HISTORY LESSON ON CUBA FOR PRESIDENT OBAMA - Did the U.S. really "exploit" pre-Castro Cuba? Cuba is of zero importance to the world. Dominicans make better smokes and ball players, today. Obama Foreign Policy Under Fire from His Former Defense Secretaries Turkey's Circus in Washington Palestinians: Erasing Christian History The Assad Files - Capturing the top-secret documents that tie the Syrian regime to mass torture and killings. Weeks after ‘pullout’ from Syria, Russian military is as busy as ever Fine with me. It's another tar baby. Time to take aim at Iranian missiles Tuesday, April 12. 2016Laugh or cry?Were I a Stanford alum, I'd never give them another penny. Not that they need it anyway. Stanford Students Reject Western Civilization By A 6-To-1 Margin Well, you have to laugh. Socrates would have laughed, because these children are 100% immersed in Enlightenment Western Civ, and don't even want to know what it is or where it came from. I have seen plenty of willful ignorance in my life, but this has to take the cake. SAT-bright students, voting for ignorance of Homer, Plato, the Old Testament, Paul, Beowulf, Augustine, Aquinas, Lorenzo de Medici, Michelangelo, Rousseau, Shakespeare, Newton, Adam Smith, Martin Luther, Locke. Wow. They won't know bupkus and thus will not be worth a serious conversation. And since all of modern physics, chemistry, medicine, and engineering are aspects and products of Western Civ too, perhaps they might consider eliminating those oppressive white male patriarchal things. Ignorant kids, standing on the shoulders of giants while denying it. Fascinating phenomenon, the hubris of ignorance. If I were there with a microphone and videotape, it would be fun to ask them what civilization they might prefer to know - or live in.
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