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Friday, June 15. 2007
A big hat tip to Never Yet Melted for finding Matt Taibbi's excellent The American Left's Silly Victim Complex. It's good to see a liberal or, as he calls himself, a "progressive," being introspective and thoughtful instead of angry, these days. More quotes at Never Yet Melted from the piece at Adbusters. A sample:
Read the whole thing.
Why is this?
One angry email and one - or more - flaming posts. Other blogs, I know, get more anger, but we tend to be civil. Where does this come from?First, an email response to today's post highlighting the introspective liberal:What dribble but coming from a pa
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I know the Devil can quote Scriptures to His own purposes, and the piece was thought-provoking (thanks for it) BUT:
From my morning Bible reading:
"5:6 Seek the LORD, and ye shall live; lest he break out like fire in the house of Joseph, and devour it, and there be none to quench it in Bethel.
5:7 Ye who turn judgment to wormwood, and leave off righteousness in the earth,
5:8 Seek him that maketh the seven stars and Orion, and turneth the shadow of death into the morning, and maketh the day dark with night: that calleth for the waters of the sea, and poureth them out upon the face of the earth: The LORD is his name:
5:9 That strengtheneth the spoiled against the strong, so that the spoiled shall come against the fortress.
5:10 They hate him that rebuketh in the gate, and they abhor him that speaketh uprightly.
5:11 Forasmuch therefore as your treading is upon the poor, and ye take from him burdens of wheat: ye have built houses of hewn stone, but ye shall not dwell in them; ye have planted pleasant vineyards, but ye shall not drink wine of them.
5:12 For I know your manifold transgressions and your mighty sins: they afflict the just, they take a bribe, and they turn aside the poor in the gate from their right.
5:13 Therefore the prudent shall keep silence in that time; for it is an evil time.
5:14 Seek good, and not evil, that ye may live: and so the LORD, the God of hosts, shall be with you, as ye have spoken.
5:15 Hate the evil, and love the good, and establish judgment in the gate: it may be that the LORD God of hosts will be gracious unto the remnant of Joseph.
5:16 Therefore the LORD, the God of hosts, the LORD, saith thus; Wailing shall be in all streets; and they shall say in all the highways, Alas! alas! and they shall call the husbandman to mourning, and such as are skilful of lamentation to wailing.
5:17 And in all vineyards shall be wailing: for I will pass through thee, saith the LORD.
5:18 Woe unto you that desire the day of the LORD! to what end is it for you? the day of the LORD is darkness, and not light.
5:19 As if a man did flee from a lion, and a bear met him; or went into the house, and leaned his hand on the wall, and a serpent bit him.
5:20 Shall not the day of the LORD be darkness, and not light? even very dark, and no brightness in it?
5:21 I hate, I despise your feast days, and I will not smell in your solemn assemblies.
5:22 Though ye offer me burnt offerings and your meat offerings, I will not accept them: neither will I regard the peace offerings of your fat beasts.
5:23 Take thou away from me the noise of thy songs; for I will not hear the melody of thy viols.
5:24 But let judgment run down as waters, and righteousness as a mighty stream."
And from the 8th Chapter
A Basket of Ripe Fruit
1 This is what the Sovereign LORD showed me: a basket of ripe fruit. 2 "What do you see, Amos?" he asked.
"A basket of ripe fruit," I answered.
Then the LORD said to me, "The time is ripe for my people Israel; I will spare them no longer.
3 "In that day," declares the Sovereign LORD, "the songs in the temple will turn to wailing. [a] Many, many bodies—flung everywhere! Silence!"
4 Hear this, you who trample the needy
and do away with the poor of the land,
"When will the New Moon be over
that we may sell grain,
and the Sabbath be ended
that we may market wheat?"—
skimping the measure,
boosting the price
and cheating with dishonest scales,
6 buying the poor with silver
and the needy for a pair of sandals,
selling even the sweepings with the wheat.
7 The LORD has sworn by the Pride of Jacob: "I will never forget anything they have done.
8 "Will not the land tremble for this,
and all who live in it mourn?
The whole land will rise like the Nile;
it will be stirred up and then sink
like the river of Egypt.
9 "In that day," declares the Sovereign LORD,
"I will make the sun go down at noon
and darken the earth in broad daylight.
10 I will turn your religious feasts into mourning
and all your singing into weeping.
I will make all of you wear sackcloth
and shave your heads.
I will make that time like mourning for an only son
and the end of it like a bitter day.
11 "The days are coming," declares the Sovereign LORD,
"when I will send a famine through the land—
not a famine of food or a thirst for water,
but a famine of hearing the words of the LORD.
12 Men will stagger from sea to sea
and wander from north to east,
searching for the word of the LORD,
but they will not find it."
On that cheery note, I must drive my caribou-killer (kid's term for my gas guzzling SUV) off to oppress the weak-er-support my family at the office...
Somone quoted the bible in Comments, saying:
"5:13 Therefore the prudent shall keep silence in that time; for it is an evil time."
I would suggest that the prudent SPEAK UP in ever-louder voices to try to thwart the further erosion of the Constitution by our lying, lackluster administration.
If it is a candidate for essay of the year kudos to the author.
I realize my interest in Political Science,History , and Philosophy all of which had a solid foundation in the 60's allowed me to view with contempt what my generation was destroying to no good end. For me it's zenith was the election of Bill Clinton.
One cannot nor should not live in the past, but it is prologue. We will never enjoy the institutions "The Greatest Generation " did simply because they were handed to us and we broke them like children do.
JFK was the "left" and yet to listen to his Inaugural Address to day he could not be in the Democratic Party..the left is winning because the right is too comfortable and doesn't have the stomach for the fight.
Listen to JFK....( 9 minutes and worth it)
I found Legal Eagle's rant over the top -- UNTIL I read your post! You do realize you just proved Legal Eagle's assessment of you correct. 1) Anyone who owned a slave is showing the most fundamental of hatreds to their humanity by simply owning them. 2) The KKK as a social club? Gee, Rotarians never strung up children from trees, dragged men to death from a chain in a pickup, buried voter registration workers in dams.... but, again, that's Legal's point and you proved it. 3) proto- means original, fundamental -- and the belief that the individual needs must be secondary to the needs of the state, and seeking or proposing a national unity, based on ethnic, cultural, religious or racial attributes does, everyone agrees, go back to the bronze age. But you've proved fascism is alive and well in the heart of 21st Century American conservatives. Which was LE's point.
The greater issue is the post, which I agree shows liberalism no longer has the focus that it did during the New Deal, but I don't think that's necessarily bad. Liberals have always enjoyed debating reasoned and varied points of view. I don't see that the conservatives -- with the terrorists who bomb abortion clinics on one end and pacifists such as Ron Paul on the other -- really can claim a solid consensus either. In fact, neo-conservatives like Bush, who increased goverment and national debt to record levels, may be in control of the Republicans, but they don't seem typical. And that's a good thing, too.
one's race, or religion, or country is naturally superior to all others does indeed go back to the bronze age -- and, as you've proved, is alive and well in 21st Century American conservatism.
I found this quote interesting psmarc;
Let me state first out that I’ve spent the last 25 yrs of my life as a progressive working in the social justice movements.
I’m a former member of the NJ anti-apartheid Coalition. Worked on both of Jesse Jackson’s presidential campaigns. Jobs with Justice. Trade Unions. Marched all over the East coast. Lobbied for the NJ-Anti discrimination bill.
I could go on and on but trust me I have my “bona-fides” and have paid my dues over the years.
I found this quote interesting psmarc;
Liberals have always enjoyed debating reasoned and varied points of view. I don't see that the conservatives...
I'm also an Imus in the morning fan and a supporter of Don Imus.
Come over to www.supportImus.org and make that statement and I think there might be some who disagree.
First of all you responded out of phase with your rant..what you were referring to was further down the page.
We resolved the slavery thing years ago, but you still have your rant on. Get over it, it's over. But before you point your invective laser beam at me take a trip back to Africa and protest the slavery that still DOES exists there.
Have a go at this and then wing your way toward the Mothercountry where the fight to free people is still ongoing.
Wilberforce 2007 petition backed by Prime Minister of MauritiusThe Prime Minister of the Republic of Mauritius, Dr The Honourable Navinchandra Ramgoolam has shown his support for Hull’s fight against modern day slavery, by signing the city’s Fight for Freedom campaign petition.
After his civic welcome by the Lord Mayor of Kingston upon Hull, Cllr Brenda Petch, the Prime Minister signed the Wilberforce 2007 petition which in partnership with Anti-Slavery International is lobbying for the eradication of modern day slavery.
For many people, the image that comes to mind when they hear the word slavery is the slavery of the Transatlantic Slave Trade. We think of the buying and selling of people, their shipment from one continent to another.
Even if we know nothing about the slave trade, it is something we think of as part of our history rather than our present.*But the reality is slavery continues TODAY.*
Hull’s Fight for Freedom petition urges governments and international bodies to work together to better understand the Transatlantic Slave Trade, address its impact on countries and communities around the world, and work to end slavery for all time.
The Prime Minister is in Hull on a three day visit, during his time in the city he will visit Wilberforce House Museum, officially open the Hull & Humber Chamber of Commerce Expo as part of business week and visit pupils at Malet Lambet School.
He will also unveil and present the city of Hull with a specially commissioned piece of silver to mark the bicentenary of the passing of the Slave Trade Act and visit the University of Hull.
The Fight for Freedom campaign petition can sign online at Wilberforce2007.com
An equally worthy candidate
"Never-say-die faith, accompanied by old-fashioned nationalism, is alive in America. It is a match for the most fanatical suicide bombers anywhere, but with few exceptions, that faith is confined to our finest combat infantry units—and to specific sections of the country and socio-economic strata from which these “warriors” (as they like to call themselves) hail. They are not characteristic of a country in many ways hurtling rapidly in the opposite direction. This is not the 1950s, when Americans felt a certain relief in possessing “the bomb.” Fifty years later, most Americans feel a certain relief in never having to even hear about “the bomb.”
Faith is about struggle, about having confidence precisely when the odds are the worst. Faith is the capacity to believe in what is simultaneously necessary but improbable. That kind of faith is receding in America among a social and economic class increasingly motivated by universal values: caring, for example, about the suffering of famine victims abroad as much as for hurricane victims at home. Universal values are a good in and of themselves, and they are not the opposite of faith. But they should never be confused with it. You may care to the point of tears about suffering humankind without having the will to actually fight (let alone inconvenience yourself) for those concerns. Thus, universal values may pose an existential challenge to national security when accompanied by a loss of faith in one’s own political values and projects"
"It's good to see a liberal or, as he calls himself, a "progressive," being introspective and thoughtful instead of angry, these days."
Aaah, you mean like such not-angry and thoughtful political philosophers as Rush Limbaugh, Mike Levin, Ann Coulter, Michael Savage, Neil Boortz, and Michelle Malkin, right? If only liberals could bring to their movement the authenticity and intellectual consistency of the three pillars of modern Republicanism: nigger-hatred, religious fanaticism, and proto-fascist war-mongering.
Sheeesh, Legaleagle. Your post pains me deeply. But luckily I am rubber and you're glue, whatever you say bounces off me and sticks to you.
My family is from the South so perhaps I can help you work through some of your issues. The meds don't seem to be working.
#1 My family never hated the "niggers" we owned back when it was doable. We treated them very well. It was the only way to get the best price for them at the slave market. Plus we were all Democrats in those days. Remember it was the Republican President Lincoln who freed some, not all, of the slaves ..ain't that a hoot..he freed all the slaves in that part of the country he didn't control. The "niggers" in the Union states that had slaves were not freed. My oh my.
#2 Religious fanaticism ..why I don't think my great great granddaddy or his son or his son considered the KKK anything but a social club..and as far as fanatics. Well I say a picture once of them go'in off to a rally and their hooded raiment had a few soiled marks on it..definitely not the sign of a fanatic.
#3 Proto-fascists. Well here you're blood sugars done whacked you out. Fascism's been around long enough to not be in the proto catagory. It's origins from the Romans allow it a pass on that. You did a nice job of linking it up with warmongering though, which I personally appreciate.
I try to hold the mongering to a minimum now however and just do the basic war thing. You know , like kill those who have attacked us .. you remember 9-11, it was all on TV before we all went back to the Mall.
Anyway, I'm guessing you must be a public defender, dealing with ho's and pimps, drug dealers and sociopaths. A word of advice..carry a small squeeze bottle Purell Hand Sanitizer. You've obviously caught some kind of rabid contagion, plus their general hygiene, well it's just not up to third world standards. But that's your world.
What bothered me was the angry name-calling - and, really, the hatred. What's that all about? We are not "nigger haters" by the most insane stretch of the imagination. We hate nobody, except people who want to kill us.
He's not angry at this site. He has anger period. Why? Who knows?
But the psychiatric field tells us that at any given time approximately 20-25% of the population has treatable psychiatric disorders..we have 305 million people. Lets discount children and go with what 230 million X 20% = 46,000,000 people who need help...I think we have a winner!!
LE ... one more thing that might help you out.
Don't listen to those pimps and keep downloading child pornagraphy. The D.A. will catch you and then you'll be without your Purell when you're in the slammer and really, really need it. Here's a little song by one of this countries best songwriters..just hum it if you lack lip sync capabilities.
Old Folks at Home Stephen Foster 1851
Way down upon the Swanee River,
Far, far away
That's where my heart is turning ever
That's where the old folks stay
All up and down the whole creation,
Sadly I roam
Still longing for the old plantation
And for the old folks at home
All the world is sad and dreary everywhere I roam
Oh*darkies*how my heart grows weary
Far from the old folks at home
What could make legaleagle or any other American so angry?
It's not like the US has rolled-back habeus corpus, is spying on it's citizens illegally, condones torture, or has a major political party turn its back on the rule of law.
Geez, lighten up le.
The new American Idol season is right around the corner.
I can barely summon the energy to reply, but let me ask this: What is your suggestion for dealing with Jihadist terrorists?
What would you do, if you had taken the Presidential oath to preserve and protect?
if Robert thinks underwear on the head and barking dogs are torture, he better not go hang out with the Taliban.
Maybe when he gets off the phone with his friends in Saudi Arabia, having a larf about cutting out a woman's clit and keeping her in a potato sack, he can book a flight to where his heart belongs and all the rules of law are more strictly enforced.
What would you do, if you had taken the Presidential oath to preserve and protect?
The oath is to preserve and protect the Constitution. (You can look it up, as Casey used to say).
phil uses the old "we're bad, but they're worse" excuse.
Nice job comparing America to the Taliban.
And phil must be one of those extremely tough guys that can handle all the torture America can throw at him.
Of course he's probably one of those same people who wet their pants when John Kerry made a bad joke last November.
We really showed the world how tough we are with that Iraq War.
Of course, when I say tough, I mean (extremely) stupid.
What you engage in is called projection. You place words or ideas upon thin air, they come from within you. You don't know me, yet you pretend to. Your anger betrays you.
I do not compare USA with Taliban, nor do I think "we're bad". Thats you man. (I think we aren't nearly rough enough with these 7th century throwbacks, but that's ME, still entitled to an opinion, yet)
Just what torture does America have for me? Enduring long lines at Starbucks and listening to idealogues like you? My only suggestion is for you to surrender on behalf of the rest of us to the vile torturers of Bush Chimpler. They already have your address.
Where you get this stuff.... anger for total strangers that don't think like you. Yer gonna rot your gut out thinking this way. Get your rainbow robe on and go burn a peace sign in some Republican's front yard - you are the new Klan, if you want to be.
Every President, during wartime, has made allowances to prevent sabotage and warfare from within. It's the only sane thing to do. Lincoln did it and so did FDR.
The issue is whether you think Jihad terrorism is a war, or just criminal. If it's ordinary "criminal," then the Bush Admin. is way off the mark. But I seem to recall that these Moslems verbally declared war on us, way back at the time of the first WTC bombing.
OBL's formal declaration was made in 1998, I believe, B.
There's no bright line between war and crime--it's a matter of degree. but war usually involves nation-states and uniformed soldiers.
That's how the jihadis fool the western libs. If Hitler and Tojo had been thinking, they'd've pulled a similar trick--perhaps by changing the names of their countries from Germany & Japan to something sweet-sounding. "Peaceland" and "Fairness Place" or something. Then they'd had an antiwar movement in America aiding and abetting them.
What's all this about torture? Good grief. America is the most torture-phobic nation on earth. But I am all in favor of waterboarding a few Jihadists if needed to save innocent lives. That's not torture. We all know what real torture is.
"of the three pillars of modern Republicanism: nigger-hatred, religious fanaticism, and proto-fascist war-mongering."
This grotesque generalization should not have engendered any response. Had it been a simple generalization about 'Republicans' it still should have engendered no response. He lost any credibility when he hit the 'send' button because any generalization causes one to lose the debate straightaway. What an idiot. So is Robert but add paranoid into his creds.
I've never seen such cold hatred expressed for black people as that expressed by the Democrat party's soft (and deadly) bigotry of low expectations. We all saw where that leads, in the 9th Ward in NOLA after Katrina. That's an extreme example, but it right there, plain as day, what the Dem party does, to a greater or lesser degree, for the people it holds hostage.
Don't forget the two leaders whose cold hatred of black people has probably caused immeasurable harm for at least five-six generations to come:
More of this would be nice.
#13 buddy larsen: I've never seen such cold hatred expressed for black people as that expressed by the Democrat party's soft (and deadly) bigotry of low expectations.
Roderick: Ummmm, maybe you should look at the current administration for a couple of examples.
How is promoting the NSA director who failed to brief the President on the August 6, 2001 PDA entitled ' Bin Laden Intent on Striking US' to the office of Secretary of State?
What about standing behind an Attorney General who spaces out in meetings to the extent that he can't recall what happened during those meetings and one who turns over the terminations to officials who were less qualified than those they were firing.
How about 'Heck of a Job Brownie' whose only qualifications for running FEMA were that he was college roommates with the previous FEMA director and he judged horses. LOL
Roderick, you know as well as I do that we can all snark anything to death--even our moms, if we wanted to. I wasn't trying to stir that thin soup --I was trying to remark on the upthread charges of 'racism' by pointing out that it comes in many forms, of which one of the more deadly became painfully obvious when the world peered into the 9th Ward in NOLA after the hurricane.
BTW, search the headlines, and you'll see that articles about OBL attacking USA were pretty common pre-911. His name and MO had been well-known by the attention-paying part of the public, ever since the embassy bombings several years prior.
What, are you attempting to fabricate some sort of 'gotcha'?
You might as well say that FDR knew all about the Japanese threat well before Pearl Harbor. Well, "duh!"
Tiabbi's rant is a legitimate one, albeit one that would seem to include himself. I certainly didn't find a reasonable antidote to the affliction he assigns to modern day liberals anywhere in his essay. On the other hand, would I rather be a liberal sucking on lattes while earnestly arguing the disaster laid out before us at the hand of the Bushies, finding my way day to day towards a resolution free of the taint of ugly capitalism and fascism and warmongering - OR would I rather be considered a modern day conservative - a heartless, soulless echo of the rightwing noise machine that has helped perpetuate lies and corruption without accountability, or any sign of working towards a greater good while showing every sign of working with the devil?
Nah. No contest. And that, my friends, is where Tiabbi goes wrong. In an effort to infuriate the reasoned and educated (the one's who are honest AND intelligent - Go to http://www.tompaine.com/articles/2007/06/15/honest_conservatives_oxymoron.php for a pretty incisive commentary on the conservative mindset) to stand up to the scaredyfraids and morally bankrupt of the 'less than 1/3' percentile, he instead voices an anger that he himself seems unable to rise above.
Great rhetoric, Kimberly, but haven't you heard the story of the global economy over the last five years, since the world's heartless, soulless rightwing economics programs have finally for the first time in human history begun lifting billions of eager & hopeful people up and out of their generations of socially-purer-in-theory, but fearfully miserable-in-the-real, existences?
I do understand how the blood spilled fighting back against the Jihad might trump that cold old fabric-of-billions-of-lives story, but nevertheless your rhetoric would be more effective if it wasn't so Manichean and, uh, 'rhetorical'.
Lately it sure seems like the cons are playing the victim card