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Tuesday, November 11. 2008
In anticipation of further Dem assaults on the Second Amendment, guns are predictably selling like hotcakes.
I like GunBroker.com, where I found this nice camo AR 15. The SEALs love those little .223 rounds, and they resist deflection. They can mail things to your local gun shop.
Full auto, in your dreams.
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If youy guys buy an AR style rifle specifically chambered for the .223 Remington DO NOT use 5.56 MM ammo as the .223 SAAMI spec chambers are too short for that round and can cause dangerous back pressure. 5.56 MM is not the same as .223 Remington. If you have a rifle chambered for 5.56 NATO you can use .223 ammo, though. Be alert, be safe.
SEALS love .223? I doubt it. They used to like the G3 in 7.62 - a much manlier weapon. Now they have the SCAR in a variety of calibers - 6.5 Grendel being a nice compromise.
I opted for 5.56 NATO as the ammunition costs less than rounds such as the 6.8 spc, 6.5 Grendel or the 7.62. If I was a little more well heeled I'd have picked up a Socom II or Socom 16 as I like the .308 more than the smaller rounds. The money I saved on the gun alone equals a thousand rounds of plinking.
The 5.56 is a little sketchy to me. It's like the 9mm, which for tactical purposes is a marginal manstopper. The conventional wisdom with a 9mm is to double-tap an aggressor. Twice as much ammo with half the firepower.
If the issue is one of suppression versus wallop, wallop wins with me. But what I'm looking for in these times is more bang for my buck, and if plinking is in the picture the 5.56 wins this round.
Jephnol, I am happy and excited for you , and your new gun. Are you going to get a scope? Have you been to the new Cabela's? One of my daughters went up and said it was beautiful! She wants me to buy her a pistol. She got some prices for me on black rifles. I like the choice you made. Double - tap an aggressor, I like that phrase : )
Jappy, I'll eventually put a red dot sight on the piccatinny rail, I like iron sights though.
I went to the Cabelas the day before it opened to the public with a friend of mine. (They love him because he uses their credit card like crazy)! It's a nice store--a lot of fun. You might want to look to KTP or Riley's though before you drive to Cabelas.
Buy an ugly gun before the government bans 'em for being cosmetically challenged!
What kind of pistol are you going to get her? I should ask that of all the guys. I want one, too, but have no idea what to get. My son has a Glock but I can barely chamber a bullet, and my hands are small and the thing would probably fly out of my hands the minute I shot it. Any suggestions?
Meta, I'm not an expert on guns, but I was looking at a Beretta Bobcat .25 acp. They're small and very concealable. The .25 carries a little more punch than the .22 I bought both my girls pepper spray (the baton type that doubles as a key chain much better than the cheap plastic ones.....more money of course)
A Beretta .380 auto or a Smith and Wesson J frame Lady Smith .38. Both are managable than a big gun. The auto has the benefit of more rounds and quicker loading, but the Smith is simpler and can pack more stopping power in one round while not overwhelming you with recoil.
Anyway, I like those two...
Get her a .380 acp and tell her if she ever has to protect herself with it she should just keep pulling the trigger until it clicks.
In .380 a Walther PPK or PPKS is the way to go. Quite accurate for an expert, plenty accurate for a beginner, good safety system, and very, very reliable. Great choice for the ladies, and for guys wanting easy carry.
Thanks! I wrote them all down. I remember Buddy liked the Lady Smith for his daughters - and I think he also carried one in a bandana in his back pocket when he worked the oil fields at night. He said he could just snap it out and though small, it would do the job.
Yeah, I'll go with the Walther. I've shot one on several occasions years ago and I liked what it did for me. (I remember a custom job in guns & ammo I used to admire greatly).
Last year I was shooting a Beretta some guy brought to the range and I loved it (even if it was a .380). It had a decocker and the safety was first rate, ergo my first recommendation. But yeah, the Walthers are a good carry/personal defense weapon, too.
Forget about the .25, it's a pop gun.
Here's a buyer's guide for AR-15 type rifles:
You may have to register for this site, which is aimed at law enforcement users, but many of the posters are building or buying hobby rifles.
One note about caliber: 5.56 is very common and cheaper than the others, but if a ban is enacted on "assault-type" ammo, at least the 6.5 and 6.8 will qualify as legit deer rifles.
One of the premier rifles is the Noveske:
For you lefties (although most modern AR-15's can be shot from either side): http://www.stagarms.com/
There are a few good forums on the net, where you can get some practical (and even some nerdy) advice. Half the fun of these things is building them, or so I hear; haven't "pulled the trigger" on a purchase, yet!
Good link to officers forum; just overflowing with good information. Regarding the potential banning of 5.56, at least the .223 is a round chambered for hunting rifles and would most likely still be available. I haven't heard ammo banning banter though, just 500% tax on all ammo.
Thanks for the links, Steve. Lots to study before my new purchase. But damn... those Noveske's look great, but pricey... whoo!
DSArms.com makes some great rifles in a variety of calibers - although also pricey.
And an interesting perspective on .22's.
"It's all about shot placement:
"A .22 through a tear duct is better than a .45 in the arm."
— Jeff Cooper"
Hahaha, Luther you're funny!
Here's a story about a guy who was whacking away at his attorney with a little gun. He hit him several times including in the head and the victim was walking around and answering questions when the ambulance came.
It's about ballistics. Take a 5.56 NATO M855, which is a 62 grain armor piercing round and hit flesh with it and the round has a tendency to go right through the target. The 9mm had the same sort of reputation, as the round was so zippy it would through and through a body (and clothes) and not even mushroom, which is how the projectile transers its energy to the target and causes more damage. This is why it's policy in some departments to double-tap an assailant. It's about ballistics. Each caliber has its own characteristics, strengths and weaknesses.
Could a .22 kill an attacker? Sure. I'd rather have my .45 though. Here's why:
If I pull it out, the muzzle alone makes a statement.
If I fire off a round and miss, nobody's going to want to be in front of it while I re-aquire my target and squeeze of number two.
If I hit the target well, the target is going to stay down.
A tear duct is pretty small, and that lawyer got one right between the eyes and he was still dancing around. There's video...