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Monday, November 10. 2008The Wealth Effect and the RecessionMarginal Rev makes the case that slipping housing wealth is the cause of this recession, not banking. A quote:
Link above. Of course, these things snowball with slipping markets further reducing wealth and causing people and businesses to feel more reluctant to spend. Finally, Springtime eventually returns once marginal and undercapitalized businesses have been swept away, and pricing finds its realistic level. I continue to insist that we folks are in an ordinary recession - but the banking biz is surely in a strange and ugly one. I figure I have lost close to 20% of my net worth thus far, but that's measuring from the peak. One should never measure from peaks, because peaks never last. (Always measure things from historical trends.) Plus I really do not care what my home and land is worth, since I have no plan to leave it, I don't mind the bank holding title to it, I like having the mortgage interest deduction, and my equity line remains open (from which I used $150,000 for restoration work on the barns earlier this year - new roofs, new windows, plumbing, electric, repair rotten siding...). I have more wealth than I had 10 years ago, and that's what counts for feeling secure. I am utterly relaxed about my hefty mortgage and home equity because I know that Obama will pay it for me, unlike that mean George Bush who never offered to pay my bills. And I can't wait to get my government pony. Ponies are cute and, if times get tough, you can eat them.
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If it's all about keeping the economic machine humming, the destructiveness of incompetent insiderism has never been adequately addressed by either Marxism or Libertarianism.
In a down market, if you haven't sold [either stocks or other assets] you haven't lost money. Yet. I agree with you, Barrister. We are in an ordinary, although painful recession, bolstered by the Chicken Little types who have never noticed recessions before. Talked to my broker this morning and he said much the same thing, and pointed out that a rising market usually leads recovery from recession by about six months. That's the way I remember it, from the 80s and before. [No, I don't remember the Depression from a financial standpoint. I was born in 1928, so my financial understanding was rather slight at that point.]
Trouble with you alpha type guys is that you feel you have to Do Something. It's genetic, I guess. Not like the French who are constitutionally dedicated to the idea of i apres moi, le deluge i. Marianne I hate to disagree with my two una bella's. You, and Meta. This is no ordinary recession. I am not optimistic at all, if anything I am realistic and pessimistic. With the election of Mr O shit as President, we could quite possibly have a depression. This storm has been brewing for 25 years, and now we have a community organizer who is going to lead us to the promised land? I don't think so. Sorry for being so negative. On the positive side . I have started to eat solid foods again , first time since last Tuesday when Ohio went down.
I hate to disagree with my two una bella's. You, and Meta. This is no ordinary recession. I am not optimistic at all, if anything I am realistic and pessimistic. With the election of Mr O shit as President, we could quite possibly have a depression. This storm has been brewing for 25 years, and now we have a community organizer who is going to lead us to the promised land? I don't think so. Sorry for being so negative. On the positive side . I have started to eat solid foods again , first time since last Tuesday when Ohio went down.
Mr B. you can take my place in line for a pony. I now want a combat rifle. Jephnol got one , so I want one to. Jephnol had to pay for his, but I'm gettin mine free from President elect Obama. I also want 3 - 30 round clips. Obama done it, Jappy. It's your first rebate. He wants to lift your spirits.
I don't think he's going to ruin us. Too much at stake for his ego, and he can't let that falter because it feeds his lifeforce - narcissism. I sound like a basket-case. But I just don't see him ruining us. I want him to give me the book about how to face reality in a world of slimes: "Get Your Jones, Girl". ` I prefer the alphas who get ‘entitled’ because of proven brilliance, over the ones who self-entitle thru baffling bullshit.
(*some blank stares, a couple bemused smirks*) Nobody checks the references anymore. Alright. Howz this:
Doesn’t Say’s Law (beloved by Austrian School boys) state that in times like these we’ve all gotta get producing stuff, in order for the economy to pick up? You know, assemblies requiring components requiring shipping and marketing requiring processing raw materials creating jobs and spinoff jobs and competing jobs... which gets the machine moving again? Just yesterday I became aware that there are giant M&M stores in prime locations. I went into the one in NYC - 25,000 sq. ft, 3 floors. Rents in that neighborhood are somewhere north of $500/sq. ft. The place was packed with people, many of whom where gleefully purchasing all manner of preposterously useless stuff as well as M&Ms for $11.99/lb. Directly across the street is the Hershey store where, no doubt, similarly useless stuff and similarly expensive cheap candy is available and being purchased in ridiculous quantities.
Just sayin'. |