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Saturday, October 27. 2007
The Total State
The road to the Total State:
Whole brief post at Sami. I agree.
This is what governments always tend towards, and it must be resisted by proud, strong free men and women before we all become serfs of The State. If you think that is hyperbole, then just watch, say nothing, and do nothing.
The "political class" isn't wise - it's crafty and smart, but fundamentally rendered insane by power. It is a governmental disease, akin to alcoholism, and it seems to be universal. Our Founders feared this, predicted it, and made valiant efforts to prevent it.
People who renounce power over others too rarely go into government.
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It's 'system-order law'. Power unused is not power, so all power is used.
"Used" means, you get gathered in under it.
"Freedom" is automatically chaotic --a subsystem which will be erased unless it continually acts to register on the system-order.
We have found ourselves incapable of balancing the twin poles of successful democracy, Liberty and Order.
The Founders may have gotten it right--it was later, follow-on, profligacy with suffrage that has done us in --if we're done in, that is.
Many--most?--of the Founders wanted only stake-holders voting.
Call it what you will (and the left has many pejoratives for it), but there was a certain revolutionary system they were trying to establish.
This inherent instability is what the "political class" feeds on. In order to increase liberty, they must have more control, thus they give us zoning boards, speech codes and hate crime laws.
Yet, this instability causes increasing restrictions to lead to increasing rebellion and the constant of flux is restored.
Or maybe it is time to raise the Black Flag (although its current raisers seem to be the willing goon squad of the political class) or a new banner that has stripes and stars on it.
I dunno. The suffrage restriction i referred to above would be based not on inherited traits such as race or gender, but on aquired knowledge such as what are the basic characteristics of the nation's political system. Something--anything--to make the vote into something earned. i know--sounds crazy--but it's some sort of such reform or, as Walt wondered above, sooner or later the Black flag.
The problem with restricting suffrage is that the political class will gleefully use those laws to their advantage.
High School Counseling session in 2040, "I'm sorry, your results on the High School Citizen exam and the comments of your Civics teacher show pronounced individualist and antisocial tendencies, you can not vote, drive, own firearms or property until you have been cleared by the Psychology Division."
Lets not let the mule out of the barn.
#18.104.22.168.1 walt moffett on 2007-10-27 20:48 (Reply)
good point. have to think on that some.
#22.214.171.124.1.1 Anonymous on 2007-10-27 22:12 (Reply)
...and the question was asked just yesterday as to why people should organize into small effective units...for all the reasons I gave yesterday AND the fact that all political philosophers have known since Plato....the STATE, any STATE, can and usually does enslave the population. Notice I said population and not citizenry.
Jefferson's admonition that The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants
But it is too late for that now for anyone alive today. Our external enemies are forcing more restrictive internal laws...
And who today would join an organization to assault Congress or support a coup? zero-3% maybe.
We cannot halt the loss of our freedoms until and unless we begin to realistically define our enemies, Islam, and revanchist Hispanics. They MUST be physically defeated by force of arms. If you want freedom you have to KILL PEOPLE who would take it from you.
Bottom line ...we're toast.....the good part is that most everyone reading this will be dead by the time it gets really really bad ........
Not to be overlooked is THE place where men are men. A place that was once a nation unto itself. A place where they know the true meaning of freedom...yes
nah, anonymous--that's just the movies. This place is as full of sheep as anywhere else, these days.
Get outside the cities about 50 miles or so, where life is hardscrabble and the high school game is the big event. There, you will still find people who remember the old ways.
There are still men who know the meaning of freedom and how to be real men not only in Texas, but in New York, Georgia, even California, Alaska, Tennessee, Montana, maybe Rhode Island and certainly Oklahoma... :) They’re here and more rough and ready than many of the Euros and more couth and capable than the animal-men in other parts, and that's why the world is jealous of us and Hillary would socialize-pacify us.
i dunno--maybe it's just the times. Nothing free has value. The vote--citizenship--always had value because we knew that it wasn't free. We named towns and buildings and schools and airports after the people who paid for that vote. But now change is happening so fast that I'm afraid the kids are disconnected from that old stream of continuity. Yesterday is just so not-iPod.
So who will step up and at least join a nationwide moratorium on paying taxes?
zero...why..we're already afraid of our government. we're afraid our lives will be ruined, that our houses,cars ,and toys will be taken away.....
I know, let's elect a man of the people, someone who doesn't owe anything to any party apparatus .......oh yeah ROTFLMAO
A constitutional convention to repeal all progresive era amendments to the constitution. A subtle change in language where 'liberalism' is leftism and social statism while 'democracy' is for the states. This is a consitutional republic not a 'democracy'. The current supreme court may play a role in returning us to our roots come a leftist victory in Nov '08. Maybe....
A constitutional convention would be a disaster. We simply need the population educated to the fact that their rights cannot be abrogated by the Federal Register or the laws of Congress... a rebellion is preferable to opening up the entire restructuring of what we have already written down, but have, as citizens, allowed the government to become our "savior" instead of ourselves as guardians of the Bill of Rights...
I would prefer a tax boycott, thus cutting off the governments oxygen.
The biggest fear and argument of our new nation was having a second constitutional convention to remedy what the Anti-federalists felt had been too ill defined ...our Bill of Rights.
No just shoulder a weapon and go to the local town meeting...they'll get the message....
Of course, you are correct but I can't help thinking that the courts have gotten us into this predicament and may still get us out.
I didn't read the book "Bowling Alone" but recently I did read an article about our increasing isolation from one another in our society. According to the author there are serious socio-hist-politco-econo-Tivo ramification s for the country.
I'm not worried. I just wish we would have a world war that would do what wars do...make people appreciate things more.
Never forget your Shakespeare.. Of all the wonders that I yet have heard,
It seems to me most strange
that men should fear
Seeing that death,a necessary end, will come when it will come
It would also be a champion idea to hang a few socialists, define as Islam as a philosophy ,not a religion,
and then ban it since it's tenets DEMAND death to all infidels.
Let the rest of the world remain in the mode of tolerating a murderous religion if they so choose but we can simply redefine in de jure and ,arrest ,deport, shoot, or otherwise rid this nation of a problem that I guarantee you will only get worse.
They say death to all infidels, I say death to all Islams.
Of course we could have a rousing discussion of Aristotle and Plato's understanding of "distributive justice" but outside of a handful of social commentators I can't believe that conversation would illicit anything but a grunt from hoi polloi.
Better to watch reruns of Walker, Texas Ranger.
The essential American soul is hard, isolate, stoic, and a killer. It has never yet melted. — D.H. Lawrence
We have all seen this , as it is the byline for another blog often referred to on this site. But today it's meaning is hollow and rotten.
The hardest of alloys can become brittle under the proper circumstances and then fail, often with catastrophic consequences. That is where we currently find ourselves, a brittle alloy of factions.
That is what has happened to the USA. An almost exclusively Christian nation, founded on the principles of the Enlightenment has become a putrid corpus of factions set to turn the foundations of this nation to something other than intended, prostituting it's own history and meanings behind the words of her documents, but not the intentions of her founding and the illumination behind the words of those documents
This not a nation that was ever intended to provide a host for an antithetical philosophy (Islam) but rather a nation willing to embrace a symbiotic relationship with other philosophies and religions and go forward in peace and freedom. We do not have that symbiotic relationship with far too many isms that would gladly undo our entire nation.
Once again the way to remedy this is to quarantine and dispatch those isms that are easily identifiable as clear and present dangers to this country.
Well, Islam is getting its second chance. Everybody deserves a second chance, right?
Hayek's book The Road to Serfdom is what we are talking about.
here is a GREAT summation and easy to follow.
anyway, i wuz thinking that the illo looks just like Earnest Borgnine.
And then it hit me--
"Earnest" "Borg" "Nine"
Habu, this is for you. Well it's for everybody, but esp. for Habu.
Thank you for the link. I have watched that speech probably fifteen times...it is a great work and gave RWR "the buzz" for a future presidency.
I campaigned for Barry Goldwater while I was in high school. I debated his platform before the Debate Club, of which I was not a member but I was a high school pooh bah so they let me...the Debate Club sponsor was for LBJ.
It is as an inspiring a speech as one will ever hear, and it is as true today as it was in 1964.
Couple that speech with John Stormer's book, "None Dare Call It Treason" , published in 1964, and you get a flavor for that election.
Add in the famous Bill Moyers "Daisey" political commercial for LBJ and you really see how it was down and dirty by the Democrats. To this day the "Daisey " commercial is considered a tasteless piece of vile campaigning.
"No legislative act contrary to the Constitution can be valid. To deny this would be to affirm that the deputy is greater than his principal; that the servant is above his master; that the representative of the people is superior to the people." - Alexander Hamilton, Federalist Paper No. 78.
There is in the nature of government an impatience of control that disposes those invested with power to look with an evil eye upon all external attempts to restrain or direct its operations. This has its origin in the love of power. Representatives of the people are not superior to the people themselves." - Alexander Hamilton - Federalist Paper No.15, 1787.
Thomas Jefferson's prediction: "The natural progress of things is for government to gain ground and for liberty to yield.
Since the general civilization of mankind, I believe there are more instances of the abridgement of the freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations." - James Madison - 1788
"Aided by a little sophistry on the words 'general welfare', [they claim] a right to do not only the acts to effect that which are specifically enumerated and permitted, but whatsoever they shall think or pretend will be for the general welfare." --- Thomas Jefferson 1825 to W. Giles.
Witness the "Daisey" commercial which was produced to scare people into thinking that Barry Goldwater would start WWIII
On the tv announcement that Goldwater had lost the election, my Uncle Bill, a Marine and Korea vet living in Pleasant Hill, Louisiana, calmly took his shotgun off the gun rack and blew his tv set to smithereens. Aunt Ruth and the kids were understandably a bit taken aback. It became an instant family legend. I was a kid, I thought it was SO cool. Hell I still do.
Barry Goldwater is one of those guys that the more you know about him--the more of his letters and speeches you read--the better and better you like him.
many of those anonymouses is me--my c'puter ain't saving me name no mo. must need some WD40.
“we in the west are already well on the way to a new form of post-modern totalitarian state”
Hey, you blog guys just keep the internet functioning and we’ll think of the rest.
First order of business: How to keep mama’s-basement rabble rousers safe from the clutches of power. Hold on. There’s somebody at the door...
remember, clopfelter, you can pick your friends, and you can pick your nose, but you can't pick your friend's nose.
footprints of the Borg, up there in Yankeeland:
I'm surprised you've so easily forgotten this entire nation was created by mama's basement rabble rousers.......how easily you have forgotten and how ill advised you are to proffer such a statement.
Yes, we can all just line up and do exactly what we are commanded to do regardless of our God given rights , defined in our Bill of Rights. Or we can heed the advice, a sample of which is offered on post #15. Those statements, I remind you, are the accumulated wisdom of philosophical giants since Plato on the threats posed by governments to the freedom of man.
It is entirely your choice to go along to get along, but that will not begin to halt the erosion of personal liberty or the vortex sucking that liberty from us...the government.
Your pity remark, "Hey, you blog guys just keep the internet functioning and we’ll think of the rest" offers no solution other than to do exactly what totalitarian governments do....tell the people to shut up. And the arrogance without example of just how “you”ll think of the rest” is a testament to your solecism in this entire arena. Your feet of clay expose just how lame your presentations truly are. .
As an afterthought, since that is the merit you have earned, tell us who are the “we” are you refer to who will think of all “the rest?” This is your time to step up. Pray, tell us.
Who’s forgetting? You?
Apparently some folks cannot read between the lines of self-deprecating humor without putting some unconscious spin on the meaning.
The point: A properly functioning internet is the answer - rabble rousing at the speed of light. The danger (which you scoffed at in our very first encounter at this very blog) is that the spy systems created and improved by both D and R presidents for many years now (Echelon, Patriot Act, domestic spying..) could be perverted to ruin the freedom of this excellent resource. You’ll know trouble is around the corner when the feds start seriously monkeying with internet freedoms.
Do you know any national players in the infrastructure safety business? I do. And so does the Department of Homeland Security. Based on your loose militia talk, you seem completely unaware that the internet is currently under very close scrutiny by some very powerful people.
Clopfelter, the 'sticking your neck out by complaining loudly' act is precisely what habu is saying more folks need to be doing.
Conversely, to turtle in because some 'very powerful people' may be scrutinizing you is also precisely what has brought us to the situation you decry viz the D & R tag-team over-government machine.
IOW, the best way to avoid having another Lexington Green is to keep talking up the first one. This is called 'persuasion'.
Habu ridicules me for being power-skeptical, then chastises me for not being enough so?
And how the hell does one crawl thru the archives around here (Late Aug 2007 or so) to link to a specific comment? Best thing I could find was this: http://maggiesfarm.anotherdotcom.com/archives/5668-Independence-Day-Links.html#comments (the pic, not the comments)
Apparently some folks cannot read between the lines of self-deprecating humor without putting some unconscious spin on the meaning
Since I lost my status as the Oracle at Delphi I find reading between the lines to be a totally losing proposition.
I don't know what an MMA enthusiast is. You allude to it being something to do with a mountain bike. I am not a mountain biker and am nowhere near qualified to give any advice on the training one needs to be effective. Sorry.
Now if you want advice on living to 60, fighting covert wars in SE Asia, traveling the all the continents on the globe while conducting covert operations, being an expert with several different types of arms, how to kill someone with a paper clip or torture them so they would sell out anything perhaps I can help. And then there's the 300 pound bench presses, which since I haven't been training very hard lately is probably 240, I can give you help there.
When I finish reading the collective writings of Claude Frederic Bastiat I will no doubt incorporate some of that knowledge into long boring internet pieces.
Apparently some folks cannot read between the lines of self-deprecating humor without putting some unconscious spin on the meaning
Read that sentence and tell me what is wrong with the thought expressed.
The closer you examine it the more laughable it becomes.
clopfelter impresses me as someone
who "privleges the written word".
the stuff stinks.
We didn't have a commercial name for the killing techniques I was trained in ..sorry I missed the MMA acronym. I might add that MMA in the real world ...well a bullets gonna get you.
Paperclip. well it's really a multi step maneuver . First you write yourself a note..KILL so and so ..attach the note to your daily stack of work papers. When you get to it , go shoot so and so with your gun.
Naw I have no idea how to kill with a paper clip other tha after gouging out an eye or two, ( which is really unplesant) you open the paperclip ( this is one of those big muthas by the way) and you rip out the carotid artery.
My apologies to all for using the term , "feet of clay". It was inapproriately applied, given that it's original intent was to expose one of greatness as having no foundation.
In the matter of Clop I do not believe he has ever approached "greatness".
Since you’ve claimed to be in the league of “greatness” when it comes to physical fitness – an honest question:
What is the best way for an MMA enthusiast (like myself) to work on leg strength as well as endurance by using the mountain bike alone (no weights)? And how often?
Lets just keep the internet the great place for free speech that it is. I'll do my part by ridiculing major 'pundits' who don't allow comments on their blogs.
MMA = mixed martial arts. Sorry, assumed it was up your alley with all that special forces talk. But alright, bench pressing. Assuming one’s not a genetic freak, what’s the quickest way for em to get back to their glory days (which in my case would be 1/2 a lifetime ago)?
And how does one kill with a paper clip anyways?
Hey no bills allowed! And none of that ‘sneakin up on em while they’re sleeping crap’ either.
It’s just the enemy with his 13” knife, and you with your paper clip.
Clop...being an MMA person I'm surprised you haven't figured it out.
If you can kill with your knuckle or your thumb, or an open palm strike, then having a paper clip aiding in the appilcation of Dim Mak will kill a man.
Just curious, especially after your “greatness” comment.
I might’ve answered: There are many ways – but ideally the one that best puts your strengths against the other’s mistake.