Maggie's Farm

History corner: 1892 : Mae West born ..yeah other stuff happened but.... quiz ..what leading male star did she discover?

BD,
I think you have done a magnificent job presenting a multitude to topics to the MF tifosi.

Of the Essays I admit to being such a Mark Steyn fan that he could write on the virtues of stepping in a pile of dog mess immediately prior to meeting the Queen and I would, say, "What a brilliant essayists"

Anon,

Suggestion...learn to speak Urdo if you want to get someplace in NYC chop-chop.

You ask..."So I ask, what exactly is your gripe with living in a multi-cultural society, and what do you propose as an alternative?

Well based on the data they are usually dumber, use more social sevices (my tax dollars redistributed) contribute practically zero other that stories about the number of flys in their countries and in general take more than they give to our society. They're better off at home waiting for USAID trucks to arrive and warding off ebola or whatever malady allicts whatever culture they're from.....which is where they should be ....back at from.

Man you were do'in so fine right up until you weren't.
Flys....check
ebola...check
a drain on my earnered income via redistribution...check

Racial superiority ABSOLUTELY ...see how that works..the march of progress of mankind in say Uganda or Haiti versus those in primarily caucasian countries....historically, intellectually, creativily, across the board ..superior in the caucasian cultures..is race a component of any of that ..only the most PC, and most absurd would say no....Sub Saharan Africa with an average IQ of 70 vs Compton ,CA with an average of 78..no comparison...

That's why they all want to come to the USA ..cause they can't get it done themselves.

Do certain races excel in certain things ..yes. I do not believe for a moment you can find a child in North American that can herd a gaggle of dung beetles like a good kid from Africa can. Not for minute .. hell you think you're superior to me. Being aware of racial differences and talking about them doesn't make one a racist, more like a realist.

XXX

What we do have is an IQ diversity for sure. But we are eroding our gene pool by allowing the wrong people to immigrate.

Peter Brimelow writes: The original draft of my huge 1992 National Review cover story “Time to Rethink Immigration” contained a discussion of IQ and immigration policy, alluding to Richard J. Herrnstein’s and Charles Murray’s book The Bell Curve, which I knew was in preparation. The reaction of my dear friend John O’Sullivan, NR’s Editor in those happy days, was very instructive. Not only did he insist on cutting out the discussion, but he also hunted down every copy of the original draft in NR’s office and had them destroyed. His argument was that any mention of IQ or heredity at all would result in the issue monopolizing all response to my article, plunging the rest of my very broad case against contemporary immigration policy irretrievably into the dark. No doubt he was right. But public debate on both immigration policy and the IQ issue has gone backwards since 1992, although the issues are more pressing than ever. VDARE is happy to provide Steve Sailer with a place to explore them.

America and the Left Half of the Bell Curve
Part I: IQ and Why We're Afraid to Talk About It
Part II: How the Other Half Lives

By Steve Sailer

The last twenty years of immigration have thus brought about a redistribution of wealth in America, from less-skilled workers and toward employers. [Harvard economist George] Borjas estimates that one half of the relative fall in the wages of high school dropouts since the 1980s can be traced directly to mass immigration. At some point, this kind of wealth redistribution, from the less well off to the affluent, becomes malignant. In the 1950s and ‘60s, Americans with low reading and math scores could aspire to and achieve the American Dream of a middle class lifestyle. That is less realistic today. Americans today who do poorly in high school are increasingly condemned to a low-wage existence; and mass immigration is a major reason why.

or some Thomas Sowell

Race and IQ

Years ago, while doing research on education and IQ, I happened to be in the principal's office at a black school in Cincinnati, as he was preparing to open a large brown envelope containing the results of IQ tests that his students had taken. Before he opened the envelope, I offered to bet him that a large majority of the students with IQs over 110 would be girls.


He was too smart to take the bet. Studies had shown that females predominated among high-IQ blacks. One study of blacks whose IQs were 140 and up found that there were more than five times as many females as males at these levels.

As it turned out, the research showed that the average IQ difference between black and white Americans -- 15 points -- was nothing unusual. Similar IQ differences could be found between various culturally isolated white communities and the general society, both in the United States and in Britain. Among various groups in India, mental test differences were slightly greater than those between blacks and whites in the United States.

and a book for reading:

IQ and the Wealth of Nations
by Richard Lynn
quick highlights.

A clear example of how a bad environment can hurt IQ can be seen in the IQ scores for sub-Saharan African countries. They average only around 70. In contrast, African-Americans average about 85. It appears unlikely that African-Americans' white admixture can account for most of this 15-point gap because they are only around 17%-18% white on average, according to the latest genetic research. (Thus African-Americans white genes probably couldn't account for more than 3 points of the gap between African-Americans and African-Africans.) This suggests that the harshness of life in Africa might be cutting ten points or more off African IQ scores

Lynn and Vanhanen benchmarked their IQ results so that Britain is 100. America scores 98 on this scale, and the world average is 90. IQ's are assumed to form a normal probability distribution ("bell curve") with the standard deviation set at 15. Here are a few examples:


Nation Avg. IQ
Eq. Guinea 59
Nigeria 67
Barbados 78
Guatemala 79
India 81
Iraq 87
Mexico 87
Argentina 96
US 98
China 100
UK 100
Italy 102
Japan 105
Hong Kong 107

Bottom line...if you're going to have immigration policies to bebfit your country don't let the dumb ones in. They cost more in social services and add nothing to the IQ gene pool.
Habu

I have discoverd that the system will not take multiple citations at the ends of various sections one might cite...you get a SPAM block..

I always try to provide the address of the source I cite but by removing them, the system allowed me to post.

Here are the citations if theysytem will accept them:




http://www.vdare.com/asp/printPage.asp?url=http://www.vdare.com/sailer/iq.htm

http://www.jewishworldreview.com/cols/sowell100102.asp

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/027597510X/sr=8-11/qid=1145845493/ref=sr_1_11?%5Fencoding=UTF8

I did not use Wiki in this piece due to it's controversial nature...however since it is widely cited and the link between culture, IQ, and natural intelligence remains in flux I thought this might frame what the sub Saharan people are fighting with IQ's in the 70's...from Wiki

An IQ of 70 is often associated with mental retardation, but deficits in adaptive behavior, such as telling the time, interacting socially, and looking after oneself, have only limited correlation with IQ, and are more important than IQ in determining whether a person is able to live an independent life (Mackintosh 1998, p. 177). Mercer 1973 reported that on the basis of IQ alone 10 times as many Blacks as Whites would be classified as retarded, but when adaptive behavior measures are added to the criterion, this difference completely disappears. Some ethnic differences in cognitive ability appear in some aspects of cognitive ability and not others (see below; Mackintosh 1998, p. 178). The Black-White disparity seen in IQ does not appear in some basic cognitive functions that don't involve more than minimal elaboration, transformation, or other mental manipulation (Mackintosh 1998, p. 178; Jensen 1973

AP you are sooo close ...actually one day while on the set she saw a young man walking by and inquired who he was. He was a looker.

She found out his name was Archibald Leech. Well Archibald Leech sure wasn't gonna fly in Hollywood so he became Cary Grant ..the rest is.

Mark Steyn's new sensational book !!!!

The Best Quotes From Mark Steyn's 'The Face Of The Tiger'


"'The Washington Post said Saturday that a top-secret briefing memo presented to President Bush in 1998 focused on efforts by Osama Bin Laden in the US.' President Who in 1998? As I recall, it was the 42nd guy, Clinton, William J, and in 1998 he was too busy declaring his pants a Federal Disaster Area to do much about terrorist masterminds."

"(T)he Islamofascists loathe the rest of the west almost as much as they hate the US, but the difference is that, for the most part, those countries are content to be, as the Canadian columnist David Warren put it, 'mere spectators in our fates'."

Instead of an empire, the US belongs to Nato, a defence pact of prosperous Western nations in which only one guy picks up the tab, a military alliance for countries that no longer in any recognizable sense have militaries. The US taxpayer's willingness to pay for the defence of Canada and Europe has contributed to the decay of America's so-called "allies", freeing them to disband their armed forces, flirt with dictators and gangster states, and essentially convert themselves to semi-non-aligned

"Many consequences will flow from September 11th. The reactions of Continental governments confirm the worthlessness of Cold War alliances. Collective security, far from binding the western world, has corrupted it: the "free world" is mostly just a free ride."

"Pacifist propaganda usually boils down to saying that one side is as bad as the others, but if one looks closely a the writings of younger intellectual pacifists, one finds that they do not by any means express impartial disapproval but are directed almost entirely against Britain and the United States. It is ever so."

"...If the US wasn't out of step -- if it was just another Belgium or Canada -- Islamic Fundamentalism would be unstoppable. It's because Americans are crazy enough to like owning guns and frying murderers and driving the world's biggest cars at the world's lowest gas prices that they're prepared to maintain the only serious military in the western alliance."

"...(T)o coin a phrase, impotence breeds decadence."

Randy,
As a liberal with an anarchistic bent, the attribute I can least tolerate is cultural intolerance, which is a vestige of tribalism

I can't tell you how disappointed I am.

All this time I thought you were an Hegelian, crypto-Trotskyite with a bent frame on your Yugo and a tribal vegan. I'm glad you cleared that up.

Now what was your point?

Jeff,
Diversity is fine. Gentital mutilation is just a cultural diversity. Burning people..humans been do'in it for years in diffent cultures too ..in South Africa they "necklace" those who don't "buy into the program of genocide..Necklacing is placing a car tire filled with gasoline around the neck of the victim and igniting it ..but hey, it just cultural diversity.

I like meeting new and different people too.

But as for the cultural part. If they want to come to the USA and not assimilate but remain clitoral butchers, Voodoo practitioners, Mau Mau elitists they've come to the wrong place.

That's why we have different countries around the globe, so they can just be all they can be, using all 70 points of their IQ.
But not here,no,no,no...

Jeff,

You may be unaware of this but the Scotsman is THE left wing socialist paper in Scotland

You're the first one to mention a monoculture .... devine that from the Dephic Oracles?

No, what would be nice is a return to the time when we had a multi-decade hiatus on immigration and a more selective process of who gets inot the country. We don't need hordes of 70-80 IQ'ers maf'in ababies so society can raise them.

As for your back hand to the red states as the culture of American...too late, how do you think all that red showed up? People VOTED for certain platforms and reputiated others.....results red stae America..not to worry it will change, always does.
Your gratuitous slap at red staets endorsement of torture and violence ...more scholarship on the violence part....red state violence is per capita WAY behind the blues.

Absurd and irrational forms of religion?...why Jim Harrison how dare you insult Dearborn ,Detroit,NYC,California that way.
Those mutilating Muslims in Dearborn gonna get you man.

BTW you still have that McGovern sticker on your Volvo?

Jim,

You are deep in the woods without a compass, no survival skills and the sun is going down. You're lost.

Making a comparison of the desired Islamic Caliphate to...

"are obviously a way of compensating for the political and cultural impotence of Middle Eastern countries just as your chest-thumping, totalitarian patriotism compensates for what is really a rather shaky sense of national identity.

A nuclear Iran would menace us Jim, just trust me and all other members of the Round Earth Society on that.

I recall no chest thumping prior to 9-11. In fact what we had was an inaugural address that stresses a lower US profile globally....but golly then those bad guys did bad things ...stupid things too...and they keep saying threatening things to us...not good ..must get gun nd kill them....comprede? It's called the moral right to defend yourself when attacked.....we were attacked weren't we?

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$19.95 or if paying in cash $14.00+$5.00 handling charges.

One size, extra medium. One color, white.....but we are also providing a table of various colored felt tipped makers so you can express your feelings in your own way or draw whatever you want..I like to draw trains going into tunnels.

We ask that you do try to stay ON the t-shit with the felt tip.

Aslo we've scheduled a theraputic food fight for 11:30 PM EDST. Purell will be provided.

All this is being done for the children. All the food used in teh food fight will be donated to Second Harvest.

Thanks once again for your participation.

wud I do?

No clean up necessary.
Contracted with Second Harvest to do the clean up and whatever scraps are left Michael Vick is bring'n over some dogs to fight over.

Hey Buddy...today's thread was a ripper , say hey.

Read some folks I hadn't read before and over all I think the input was OK ..we had one thing fur shur ...participation.