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Sunday, November 15. 2015"Don't Immanentize the Eschaton"A repost - Some readers may remember when that was a bumpersticker. (It's on the same order as Bird Dog's old school football cheer: "Repel them, repel them; make them relinquish the ball.") It is a theme on this blog to think about the things that people hold most dear and the things they hold to be sacred. I tend to judge such things based on people's behavior, not on what they say. I tend to believe that God should come foremost in my life, but I can be a hypocrite at times. Karl Reitz at TCS looks at secular religions - systems of belief which can play as strong a role in shaping people's lives as loving God can for the religious. His piece is consistent with several things we have written over the past week or two. A key quote from An atheist's defence of religion:
As I wrote earlier this week: There are two utopias - the womb, and Heaven (if you can get there before they close the door). Life is bracketed by utopias, but in between we must toil and strain and sometimes suffer. It's "the way things are", as the mice say. Bliss and ease are only momentary during this brief spell on earth, and it has something to do with how reality was built. Specifically, I think it has to do with finiteness, limits, and scarcity - of just about everything, and not just of material things. I know only about four things that do not fit that: air, a dog's love, God's love...and blogs. No scarcity of good blogs. Trackbacks
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Scarcity makes the world go round, as I wrote in my post of a couple of years back, "Bloggers are 'cracking, popping, drilling and peeling their victims open'":
The leftist utopian dream was doomed from the start because it denied the economic logic of nature and human nature. The long-repressed voices of opposition in a free society, now ringing loud and clear through talk radio, cable TV and -- of course -- the blogosphere, will force the left to rethink its arguments or go extinct. Very well said, Sissy. A quibble with the Barrister for which I will probably be flamed; IMO Love is a uniquely human emotion. I believe we mistake loyalty for love in pets. For example: I don't see pets getting too upset about a baby dying or disappearing. They are just gone and the mom accepts it. In a day or two they have forgotten all about it.
Here's the link to that post, one of my own personal favorites, if I do say so myself:
http://sisu.typepad.com/sisu/2005/02/cracking_poppin.html Just read your piece. Yes, exactly the same idea as The B., but better said.
Great post. There is a subterranean part of all of us that keeps trying to go there and it creeps up just when we aren't looking... well it creeps up on me all the time.
Whether it's about earthly utopias or spiritual perfection, our intrinsic narcissism is always lurking. Well, that's part of what being "fallen" does. "The leftist utopian dream was doomed from the start because it denied the economic logic of nature and human nature."
The minute someone, some group ignores human nature, things go awry. Good point, Sissy. Bird Dog, "Bliss and ease are only momentary during this brief spell on earth, and it has something to do with how reality was built." I don't know if reality is 'built', but can you imagine a life of nothing but bliss and ease? One would get to heaven and get bored. But they'd also be bored here on earth, as well. It is out of things not blissful and of ease that we are challenged to grow and to gain wisdom. Without that, whatever legacy we live behind is empty and meaningless. What I hold sacred: I hold sacred my ability to cherish myself. If I lose that ability, I am no good to anyone. That sounds a little new-age, but I am not talking in that realm. We cannot bring out the best in others unless we have it thriving in ourselves. Sometimes it's hard to keep the home fires burning. Hope is another good term for the feeling. . Keats in "Ode to a Grecian Urn" meditated on Plato with "beauty is truth, truth is beauty". but i wonder, beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but truth is not. Or so it seems.
I never quite got that "truth is beauty" deal. Probably too superficial a person to comprehend it.
Beauty, to me, is a Justine Henin backhand.: http://www.wealth.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601079&sid=aerSTe29sRAY&refer=home "Bloggers are 'cracking, popping, drilling and peeling their victims open'":
Sissy, I'd like you to meet Hannibal, Hannibal this is Sissy, bon appetit. Another bumper sticker on roughly the same topic said "In case of RAPTURE, can I have your car?"
"Ode on a Grecian Urn"
In "ode on a Grecian Urn" Keats addresses the urn directly, calling it a "still unravished bride of quietness," a "fost child of Silence and slow time," and a "Sylvan historian." Though ancient, the urn has remained fresh and unblemished and is awesomely silent. Since it has remained "young" through man centuries, it can only be a "foster child" of Time, who ages and destroys her natural children. The scenes portrayed are "sylvan," that is, set in a rural, forested region, and depict rustic life. According to Keats, through touch and sight the urn soundlessly communicates its "flowery tale more sweetly" than the poet's "rhyme." The poem can be seen as developing a series of paradoxes: the young lovers, though destined never to touch, enjoy a love "Forever warm....Forever panting"; static carvings describes a scene of dynamic action; even in its most ideal moments, art is a reminder of death and decay. The last stanza strikes a positive note. The urn is called a "friend to man," of this and succeeding generations, that can "tease us out of thought / As doth eternity." Great art enables humanity temporarily to transcend mortal limitations, to contemplate the good, the true, and the beautiful, and to perceive life in the context of eternity." That pretty much stunk. For sure an American wrote that drivel. Yep - published in California. These are my notes: Beauty, according to Keats, is that which is eternal and which enables man through the power of the imagination, to gain insight into essential truth. Beauty through art/nature can inspire happiness by suggesting an immortal world beyond reality yet also cause pain by reminding man of his mortality. I can get that. I got it once on a mountaintop in the Blue Ridge looking out over West Virginia on a June evening as the sun set. I got it when I held my baby for the first time. I get it all the time in movies. And in books. If it takes your breath away, it is beauty; and if it is a thing of beauty to you, it is a truth because it is forever a part of your cinematic vision of the world. What better truth can there be than one comprised of beauty. . I'm pretty sure it's ``Don't let them immanentize the eschaton.''
"Repel them, repel them; make them relinquish the ball"?
I seem to recall it as "Repel them, repel them; make them relinquish the oblate spherozoid". "Thy will be done on earth, as it is in heaven."
Is this not imminentizing the eschaton? "When the man becomes the woman, and the woman becomes the man." from one of the gnostic gospels Overcoming duality, immanentizing the eschaton. "Thy will be done on earth, as it is in heaven."
Is this not imminentizing the eschaton? Not in the least, in fact I think it directly opposite because the actor in the first instance submits, freely, to the will of God and takes no action to invoke it (or to make imminent). There is no presupposition, no elevation of self as an informed party, but rather an expression of humility and the acceptance of God as originator and possessor of our being. Quite, quite different, in my view. And, Ron, I think so to - do not let them, although I think it less of a warning than an acknowledgement that no-one is actually capable of such action. |