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Friday, April 13. 2007
Neither Al Sharpton nor Jesse Jackson ever graduated from a seminary, nor have either been ordained. "Reverend"?
Race hustlers, with phony religious garb. I should have known, but I am not predisposed to doubting the credentials of "Reverends." One tends to take such things at face value. There is no such thing as "self-ordination."
There are millions of honorable black folks in the USA. Why are these two slick and slippery con-men the "spokesmen"? Probably because the others are busy, working hard at real jobs like everybody else.
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Quick! Name ten huckster preachers who have been in the news in the last year or two.
Oh, and quite a few religious groups do not require any particular formal education (or even any formal education at all) for ordination.
I don't remember anything in the Bible about Fuller or .....
Not to put too fine a point on it (and probably to unintentionally annoy some folk read here) my wife is ordained but has never been to a seminary (although she does have a Bachelor of Science in Theology in her collection of degrees.)
And on a slight topic change in mid comment, the OP sys neither was ordained, then a later followup gives dates (sorta) when they were ordained.
Different standards for different folks?
Jesse Jackson never earned a divinity degree. He failed out of Chicago Theological Seminary in his first year. He was ordained 2 months after Martin Luther King was killed. Perhaps seeing an opportunity to rise in the race business.Their are no records at the church that ordained him confirming that he went through the normal procedures necessary to be ordained.
Al Sharpton was ordained by a famous Penticostal minister, F D Washington, at the age of nine. needless to say I do not think he went through the necessary process that is required for ordination. He was a child star that started preaching at age seven. He also toured with Mahalia Jackson.
A good book about Jackson is Shakedown:Exposing the Real Jesse Jackson.
For good bio's on lefty scum go to www.discoverthenetworks.org
Why are these two slick and slippery con-men the "spokesmen"?
Why wasn't Teddy Kennedy sent to jail? Why wasn't Hillary disbarred? Why do people read Noam Chomsky's delusional writings? Why isn't Rosie O'Donnell kicked off the air like Don What's His Name?
The reason is their being in the right place at the right time, and putting to good use what is normally referred to in the case of Jackson as a character disorder, and in the case of Sharpton as sociopathy.
Then there are those WASPs like myself, Ivy educated for college and seminary. On merit, got the highest scholarship of any in my class (my school had the odd habit of giving aid based on academic and spiritual aptitude not just financial need) years of supervised clinical pastoral training, missionary work, youth ministry and chaplaincy and where did it get me? Not ordained, because my diocese had ordained so many homosexuals and mid-life crisis guys and felt that I was one woman too many...I remember at the time rather irately exclaiming that as a married mother, it was unlikely that I would be a menace to any kids in my parish, but this was brushed aside. As I write this, men on staff of local churches facing jail for child molesting, embezzling parish funds...
So many years of training and work in the ministry and I have to work in a secular job now and count myself lucky to teach Sunday School and occasionally read the lesson while the less-educated clergy waffle from the pulpit about sports and popular movies....
The lessson I draw from my experience is that people are, for some reason, antagoinized by a Christian minister who is also an intellectual, and highly trained. Mediocrity is more appealing. But, tho the institutional church has no use for me as a professional minister, I've always been affectionately dubbed the office chaplain, teenagers ask me to lead their Bible Studies, and everywhere you are, people need loving care...Every Christian is a minister, regardless of job title....
But it gets my goat when those two charlatans grandstand. And do what they can to stir up hate and resentment, instead of seeking reconciliation and common ground. I bet I have spent more years loving and educating and taking care of black children from the city than they have...I've sat with them in labor, when they are facing jail, prayed with them when parents died, rejoiced when they get into college, debated theology with abused kids who find God the Father intimidating because Daddy treated them like a "ho" rather than a daughter to be protected...I've discussed Mary and the Holy Ghost with a group of pregnant teenagers who were kicked out of their houses by irate parents. I've exclaimed to my supervisors that I felt like a Christian going to the lions leading retreats on abstinence for institutionalized teens who are there because of pregnancy, waywardness, whatever. I've probably changed few if any lives, never made the papers, and no politician has ever had the slightest use for me. Ordained or not, the real work of ministers is about love's slow erosion of the walls around our hearts, the wearing down of sin and sickness and despair and anger with the message of God's redemptive love. You don't become a reverend or minister to others to make a name for yourself, but to raise the light of God's good news, dispel a few more shadows, expand the reach of light and love. What was that old phrase about so shines a good deed in a wicked world? At any rate, my beloved grandmother raised us that we'd burn in hell if we didn't do everything in our power to reach out to lovable and unlovable alike as Christ did to us.
Here endeth my rant from total obscurity.
I'm a little concerned that I might have mislead again. I do not mean to say that the two men under discussion are not pretty distasteful.
I wanted to shine a little light on the possibility that it is not just well known black preachers who seem to have their priorities all wrong.
In my "name ten" thing above I was hoping that somebody would observe that will a little assistance for my feeble memory for names that we could develop a list of ten names of crooks in the the Archdiocese of Omaha without digging into the pedophiles or the nuns that have ripped folks off here. Or we could use some old issues of TV guide and dig out names like Gene Scott (who is dead now I think) and the one that spent his off hours in a motel room with strange companions, and so on.
There are bad people out there and they are hurting us.
But let's focus on the bad they are doing (or better yet, the good we are doing).
We ARE doing good, aren't we.
If you want to see what a real black minister looks like, check out T.D. Jakes. When I see his church members, hard working decent folks, it makes me wonder why that sort of ministry is not encouraged more in the black community.
There are a number here in Omaha whom I know by their work, but my poor memory won't bring up their names for me.
The sad thing is the good ministers (of any color) seldom get any ink.
But good news is not news, I guess.
That is NOT news and it's been common public knowledge for decades.
Sharpton WAS a tent show preacher's kid who started spreading the 'word of God' at about age 7.
His father wasn't ordained either.
And Jackson was no where near MLK when he was shot, which is HIS claim to fame.
You really should get out more.
What got me were the signs and chants;
"No apologies, no forgiveness." Huh???
X. My master told the repentant sinner, your sins are forgiven. Go and sin no more. And told the critics, let he among you who is without sin, cast the first stone!