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Sunday, September 24. 2023Our Nazis Are Better Than Their Nazis
Point is, when you celebrate a Nazi, simply because he's Ukrainian and fought Russians in WWII, you confirm that you have created a self-perpetuating cycle of BS which is beginning to pile up. It becomes even worse when you utilize your media ties to block the information surrounding that person. The Left will say "but lots of German soldiers weren't Nazis." Soldiers, yes. Waffen SS, not so much. Let's just get a grip and call things what they are. The cycle of leftist hypocrisy and lies is growing. We're just caught in their vortex. Trackbacks
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98 year-old member of the Waffen SS? So, he would have been 18 in 1943, if that was the age he joined up, which appears to be consistent with the article. Interesting that so much is known about troop assignments during WWII, the 'where' and 'when' of each divisions engagements battles, etc. - and yet nothing coming to light regarding what this fellow's activities were.
If he was Waffen SS, then he wasn't regular army, though he might have fought alongside them. Waffen SS had strict racial purity rules on tracing Aryan roots back, before being accepted into its ranks. It's a little difficult to imagine getting away with whitewashing such stuff just by censoring it. But hey, ya never know, amirite? I wouldn't rush to persecute/prosecute a 98 year-old war veteran of any stripe, but the investigation into this guy's war record shouldn't be all that complicated. Let's see what is turned up. If it's anything, then there should be a howling Shame Mob coming for these grifting posers. I doubt anything will be found, and I would presume anything 'found' will be blacked out if it's not 'good enough' or doctored if it's bad enough.
Again, the problem is less that he fought with the Germans - lots of people did who weren't Nazis. I'd venture a guess and say a smaller portion of the Waffen SS weren't Nazis, and probably pretended to be just to be part of the group. Human nature. The problem is the complicated nature of the logic being employed now. The Left has always engaged in rationalizing their morals. Technically, this means they don't have any - they just "care more" than the Right, and really that's all that matters. How you're feeling is the core of Leftist "ideology" since there isn't much left to promote the original ideology. So you need to care, and right now caring about Ukraine and hating Russians is very, very important. Or you're a Putin apologist and evil. So even if you loved Hitler or just served him, you're ok if you hate Putin. Not a Ukraine guy, really, but in their defense, they were brutally invaded and badly used by the Russians for twenty years before WW@, and at some point saw the Germans as their saviors from Russian genocide.
The Germans turned out to be another horrid occupier for Ukraine, so it's not one-sided. But it is definitely confused, with parts of Ukraine ending up aligned with Germans and others to Russians. Ukraine has always been complicated and yeah, the Nazis made it more so. They were in a no-win situation, but by and large they sided with the Germans to push out the Russians. Don't forget a large number of Ukrainians fought against the Russians at Stalingrad. Hiwis (Nazi collaborators) are often given a pass because they were "forced" to fight for the Germans - ignoring that the Soviets ALSO forced non-Russian ethnic groups to fight for them. Hiwis represented up to 25% of the troops on the German side at Stalingrad and while they are largely pointed at as the 'weak link' the real weak link was the Italians (who were also in a not-so-good situation).
The entire region there is complicated, which is why siding with Ukraine vs Russia is a fool's game. After all, Ukraine was declared one of the most corrupt nations in the world by the EU prior to the Russian invasion, and their dedication to "democracy" is questionable at best, particularly in light of recent commentary about potentially suspending rights and elections. As for this fellow - Aggie is correct that there SHOULD be more information about his activities. I'm doubting there is. For one reason - we "control" it. In other words, there's pretty much been a media blackout on this - and you know it's an embarrassing situation when they go out of their way to engage a media blackout. So it's possible his records will, somehow, be "lost". Or worse, doctored. At this point, all that's really important to know is that he fought RUSSIANS! That's the story, you know. Russians are always and everywhere bad and evil, even if you're fighting with bad and evil Nazis. Then you're a GOOD anti-fascist. Right? The complications here are examples of how far into the nether regions of logic idiots like Trudeau and the rest of the Left have traveled. The culprits here are the Russians.
Until 24 February 2022, this was a long-simmering post-Soviet regional face-off between Russia and Ukraine, principally over Donetsk, Luhansk and Crimea, all occupied or partially occupied by Russia despite previous agreement to recognize Ukraine's territorial integrity. It might have stayed that way, but for the failed and thoroughly incompetent Russian invasion, which elevated President Zelenskyy to the world stage overnight, largely because instead of running away despite a US offer to help him do that, he stood his ground. And so, the Russians have made complete fools of themselves. Stop NATO enlargement? Sweden and Finland - two countries long assiduous about their own neutrality - have now signed up. Russia a superpower? The cack-handed airborne/spetsnaz operation to seize Kyiv? The sinking of the Moskva? Going cap-in-hand to North Korea for ammunition resupply? Getting drones from Iran? The Wagner Group rolling up the road to Moscow in the midst of a military campaign? These are the hallmarks of a rickety state indeed, in my view. The reality is that the Ukrainians are fighting an existential war against a foreign invader who has proven to be both capricious and mendacious. I would merely note that Stalin made Hitler look like a piker!
I won't get the quote exactly right but in Daniel Mendelsohn's excellent "The Lost" one of the Holocaust survivors from the shtetl remarks "We thought the Nazis were bad. Then the Ukrainians showed up." No doubt misquoted by me but the gist of it 100% accurate. I think about that one all the time during the current events discussion.
Well Joe knew how to take care of the Ukrainians with the Holodomr.
With a little help from his friends, of course! The Ukraine is a money laundering and gun running operation and it was never going to be more than that with oligarchs running the show. Soros, Blackrock, and Pritzker will find a way to divey up the spoils of whatever remains after it is destroyed in war.
I'm not sure any of this means a thing. I have known a dozen Nazis, I worked with them, one of them was my professor and I knew them and worked with them on a daily basis for years. They weren't "Hitler" they were merely German citizens who were given zero choice to join the army and survived the war. Technically they are "Nazis" but combined they caused less human suffering than Antifa or BLM in our own country. We need something more definitive than "nazi" to evaluate people.
Normally I'd agree with you. And I think I alluded to as much by pointing out that lots of soldiers weren't Nazis. But Waffen SS is a bigger issue, to be honest.
Interestingly, the Speaker of the House in Canada, apparently unaware of the error, has apologized for the standing ovation. So it appears to be more stupidity on the part of those taking part. Most political errors are stupidity rather than planning. However, one other point. I agree BLM and Antifa are greater threats to our nation than "Nazis" - 100% in agreement. Dangerous individuals and corrupt to the core. But if you're the one tossing around "Nazi" and then you promote one for an ovation and declaring your support for said "Nazi" - regardless of the degree to which said "Nazi" is or isn't one....you may have an issue discerning truth and this should discredit you. Trudeau certainly is part of the cabal doing this. So are Zelenskyy's 'friends' here in the US. At least one Canadian politician admitted his error. Let's see how many more do. "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."
Alas, that is the simple reason why a member of the SS Galizien Division got an ovation in the Canadian Parliament: the dumb buggers sitting there have no idea of the dodgy history of many Ukrainian nationalist groups during and just after WWII. I doubt any of them much know what the Ukrainian National Army and Ukrainian Liberation Army were. And I'm sure if you said "Stepan Bandera", they'd be just as clueless. Other than Deputy PM Chrystia Freeland of course. I'm guessing she'd be much happier if Canadians remained know-nothings on certain aspects of Ukrainian history. Here's a good line:
"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." Alas, that is the simple reason why a former member of the SS Galizien Division got an ovation in the Canadian Parliament: the dumb buggers sitting there have no idea of the dodgy history of many Ukrainian nationalist groups during and just after WWII. I doubt any of them much know what the Ukrainian National Army and Ukrainian Liberation Army were. And I'm sure if you said "Stepan Bandera", they'd be just as clueless. Other than Deputy PM Chrystia Freeland of course. I'm guessing she'd be much happier if Canadians remained know-nothings on certain aspects of Ukrainian history. Sorry about the double response. I somehow got caught up in your spam filter.
(Not for the first time.) Also, you know it's an issue when a certain someone who likes to think he knows more than you, me and everyone else here doesn't even show up or make a peep.
The Soviets the 98-year-old was fighting had been allies of Hitler from 1939 into 1941 (from the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact to the launch of Operation Barbarossa), so I call it a wash.
Understand that we will get the truth about this the day AFTER they release the Epstein client list.
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