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Thursday, June 3. 2021AC/HVAC/Heating Techs: Life in America
I asked a guy on the job today how he learned all of this. All of these electronic things, testing equipment, big machines, soldering equipment, vacuum engines, air-handlers. A fully-tattooed hispanic guy. He said "Some guys go to school for this, but I learn it on the jobs." I said "Like an apprentice?" "Yes. Four years, bad pay, but now I make plenty." "Are you union?" "Naw. Great boss. Good job. Plenty of work every day." "Can I ask you what you do for fun?" "I play with my kids, and I play baseball. We have a team plays 3 days a week. Not too good, but good enough. My wife brings the beer." A happy guy. Gotta love it. Land of opportunity. I recalled that lawyers used to learn their job by apprenticeship and self-education. Abe Lincoln did, and became prosperous working for the railroads. Railroads were the Silicon Valley of the time.
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We just had a complete AC/HVAC system install 4 weeks ago. What do I mean by complete. Everything was replaced including the duct work.
3 Guys and three days. Day one, rip it all out, everything, Heat pump , Air handler and "ALL" the duct work from the Attic to the crawl space. Day two fabricate new ductwork and install from the Attic to the crawl space. Day three, finish ductwork and install the new Heat pump , Air handler. 10-12 hour days easy. Awesome group of guys , very professional. 2 weeks later the owner paid us a happy visit to make sure everything was done right. I could write a full three page report on the details and what was done, I had a similar experience, although they left the original ductwork. They did a great job (I'm a perfectionist), and charged less than the estimate. Quality work like that is rate these days.
A young friend who teaches at an upper midlle class high school brought in people from various professions throughout the year to talk about what they did. After she had done a couple of tradesmen, the principal called her in to tell her to never do this again because it was "selling our kids short" to suggest they might prefer not to go to college.
That is an entirely tribal attitude based on telling themselves how important and well-trained they are, even though they aren't. It is narcissistic and evil. It's an old problem. The Mind and Hand movement in the late 19th century was trying to address this problem where the schools teach theory, but do not provide any useful training in application of theory. Interestingly, MIT came out of this movement as likely did the vo-tech that has been run out of high schools.
The failure is the schools teaching only textbook and not seeking to train the application of the knowledge to do something useful for other, by training the hand. And now, you don't even learn how to write or speak well from schooling. QUOTE: The object of education is the generation of power. But to generate and store up power whether mental or physical or both is a waste of effort unless the power is to be exerted. Why generate steam if there is no engine to be operated? Steam may be likened to an idea which finds expression through the engine, a thing? Why store the mind with facts, historical, philosophical, or mathematical, which are useless until applied to things, if they are not to be applied to things? And if they are to be applied to things, why not teach the art of so applying them? As a matter of fact the system of education which does not do this is one-sided, incomplete, unscientific. —Charles H. Ham, Mind and Hand: manual training, the chief factor in education (1900)Selling themselves short! No one could say that who's experienced the joy of hiring an HVAC specialist who really understands the trade. There are dull sorts, working for dull bosses, who operate by rote, but the prizes are the ones who can figure out what's wrong and what equipment will work the best, cost the least, and present the fewest ongoing malfunctions. If on top of that they're good at answering messages and making and keeping appointments, as well as giving realistic bids and sticking to them, they should quickly build up a valuable business and enjoy a career of fulfilling work.
There are quite a few HVACR youtube channels. Some are more training info organized, others are over the shoulder type videos. Most of the guys discuss their process, so that's invaluable since a lot of places they work, even having an apprentice hanging over the shoulder is impossible.
Check out HVAC School - instructional HVACR Videos - Restaurant system repairs AC Service Tech LLC - training videos Anti DIY HVAC - over the shoulder on calls Ty Branaman - instructional videos, very good on presenting in small bits for grasping the refrigeration cycle. And I believe you are up Long Island way, so you might like Mikey Pipes - a plumbing, Boiler, HVAC small contractor out of Valley Stream. Here's a video presenting HVAC and other trades as an alternative to college. If you really learn the refrigeration cycle, the student will have to become educated in the real definition of discipline of intellect, regulation of emotions and establishment of principles. It is learning something not taught in nature or from instinct. QUOTE: "The power of doing something not taught by nature or instinct; power or skill in the use of knowledge; the practical application of the rules or principles of science." - Johann Pestalozzi (defining education as the "generation of power") I believe as a society we vastly undervalue the expertise and skill of all tradesman. Like the Barrister, I feel somewhat overvalued, and am certainly humbled whenever I try a DIY project or spend time turning wrenches at the museum. That so many seem to think it doesn't take brains to go with the brawn because the output isn't ink on a page, or more likely pixels in the ether, is depressing. The linkage to the 'deplorable' slander is almost palpable. I'm quite sure that HVAC tech would be quite welcome among them.
My A/C guy has a female tech. She started out answering the telephone in his office, paid attention to what the techs were doing, and before he knew it, she was sending herself out on simple calls that she knew she could do. Then, she went to night school to get the formal credentials and she's a fully qualified A/C tech now. I am as pleased with her work as with that of her boss.
The tech specialist for our geo thermal units told me last week that the owner liked him and saw he was a worker, offered to teach him everything he knew on the job. The guy is great at what he does and is thankful for the company's owner for picking him for the opportunity to learn the trade
He is now teaching another guy just the way they taught him. Excellent. You never really learn something until you have to teach it.
Back some 25 years ago, we put an additional layer on our three-level split home (it was a choice between doing the addition or getting rid of a kid - believe me, during the reno, we wondered if we'd made the right choice). Anyway, during the reno, Poly-B piping was installed as was bendable and a better(and cheaper) choice than copper. The Poly B sprung a leak a couple of years ago so we decided it had to be replaced Give it to my man, he took it upon himself to cut open the ceilings and walls to track where the Poly B had been used. Our kitchen ceiling is a disaster, and there are holes in various walls and ceilings, but he did a great job (I do remember turning various taps on and off so he could sort out hot and cold lines).
Our local plumber came over and took a look early on to give us an estimate. However, by the time they came in to do the replacement, spouse had really nailed the issues. So the crew (two men) came in and were able to do the work very quickly. Spouse "assisting" and am not too certain if he was accepted as an unpaid apprentice or if we've been charged extra for allowing him to "help". Be that as it may, all was done in seven hours and the crew marveling at how straight-forward it was. Bill yet to be received, but have been told is considerably less than estimate. Realize not every homeowner can do what my man did, But also acknowledge that the firm we chose was happy to have the homeowner sort out the issues and let them get on with the plumbing. BTW, there's a small pool out there amongst the offsprings as to when I get my kitchen ceiling back. Historically, the railroads had lots of lawsuits because the steam engines spit lots of sparks and started lots of fires, and they scared horses, so lots of accidents. And as you pointed out, they had the deep pockets of their day. Plenty of work for the law.
Still a few states where one can "read the law" without a J.D., so long as you pass the bar exam. Requires working and studying alongside a licensed attorney for years, so very much an apprentice type system. As a dairy farmer I am disgusted by all the "educated" experts in my field, many don't know tits for tail but the have a "piled higher and deeper" to their name. I learned by vo ag classes and the FFA but foremost by working beside my Dad for almost 30 years starting at age 10 or so. Yeah I got kicked but that is a learning experience!
Farming in general is not book taught, mother nature is a bitch of a teacher, it takes hands on Oh yeah Industrial arts was also a damn helpful class, all boys should take it to learn how to use their hands, it instills pride. It does not hand out self esteem it makes you earn it, a valuable lesson! >All of these electronic things, testing equipment, big machines, soldering equipment, vacuum engines, air-handlers.
Not to mention, they're often mini-lawyers, too. They need to understand and apply the building codes. My HVAC guy hires kids out of high school as helpers and, if they have the aptitude, sends them to an HVAC manufacturer's multi-day training at the factory where they learn to troubleshoot and repair that manufacturer's equipment. The cost is transportation and room & board for a week, plus the three or four days of lost labor. It seems to be very effective.
And as the girls are all told they need to go to college and get graduate degrees, they don't sign up for the program.
And then in college they're taught 3rd wave feminism and start complaining there aren't enough women in construction work. My grandfather (born 1916) had only a grade school education but did lots of correspondence and self taught courses. People forget but DeVry and others all dated from that time. The University of Chicago was started around then and a large part of their early graduates were correspondence students. Later when every university wanted to be Harvard things got more expensive and difficult for many people.
My road to HVAC came about after a 4-year degree and then serving in the Marine Corps. Got hired in 1974 as a $2.50 hr helper installing ductwork. In 1977 I then subcontracted complete installs for the same company at a retirement community working with 3 employees. Subchapter S corporation required for tax reasons and years of 60 hr weeks. By 1984 that was going nowhere fast. Crammed some high school math in my head again and a little business accounting and took the 2-day state test for certification as a state contractor in 1986. Business creates business. In 2004 I hired a guy right out of trade school. He came on as an equity partner 3 years later and pretty much runs the show with our 7 employees. Did I mention 60 hr weeks. No residential stuff, just commercial work with a nitch in automotive dealerships.
This is a copy of a comment I made over at Captain Capitalism on the same topic.
I worked for over 40 years as a design engineer (degree in Mechanical Engineering with an emphasis on heat transfer and thermogodamnics), with the last 27 years for the same division of the same company (although in 3 or 4 different positions within that division). I routinely put away the maximum-allowed 17% into a 401(k), and my wife and I lived for over 25 years in a tiny house in the heart of the MN hive (S. Mpls.) since it was equidistant between our jobs. Because she was working we paid off a 30 year mortgage in 11 years and started saving like crazy. She retired a dozen years ago, and I retired at age 60 a few years ago. We almost instantly moved to a much freer (and income tax free) state, bought a much larger house (with cash), and are living very comfortably on very little. That's just background. With regard to "what to study", I have to vehemently disagree with your suggestion that people move into STEM careers. It has become a dead-end, with the collectivist left-wing of the DemoPublican flooding the country with H1B visa holders. Engineering jobs are being occupied by low-cost visa holders. They are also being outsourced to foreign countries at an increasing pace. The company for which I worked attempted to use design drafters from India to get around having to pay Americans for the work; the problem was that the utter incompetence of those "designers" was such that everything had to be re-done, corrected, sent back, re-re-done, until the cost ended up being much higher than if they'd just used competent (American) designers to begin with. Did that teach management? No, of course not. It was obviously our fault for not training them well enough. What can smart, technically savvy people go into? My suggestion is to go to a trade school. Yes, I know it's not as glamorous as some high-buck "college", but learning a trade that will allow you to earn a decent living will pay off almost instantly when you graduate. One excellent example is learning HVAC systems and repair (furnaces, air conditioners, etc.). These systems have become increasingly complex and difficult to repair, yet every house in the country has one or more such systems. And with the frequency of repair and replacement skyrocketing due to the manufacturers cutting costs by using the cheapest components it will remain lucrative. Most importantly these kinds of jobs CANNOT be outsourced to a low-cost person in Mumbai. It's really difficult for somebody in India to turn a wrench or vacuum-pump down an A/C condensing unit. Another huge advantage is that once you've gotten some years of practical experience working for someone else's company and paid off your (very minimal) school debts, it's relatively simple to start your own business and go into competition. If you develop a reputation as being prompt, accurate in your estimates, and of doing good work, you will have a never-ending flow of references for new work. If your beginning employer is looking to retire and you are the shining star of his employees (yup, lots of hard work, showing up on time, having initiative, etc.) they may even sell the company to you, wanting to leave their legacy in good hands. This is only one example of this kind of career choice. Plumbing, electrical, appliance repair...all of these require a physical presence which cannot be outsourced overseas. And as the inevitable hyper-inflation starts to hit the country people will be more interested in repairing and maintaining their (poorly built) homes than in replacing them. |