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Saturday, June 5. 2021
When I was young, "strivers" were looked down upon. The "natural talents" were most admired, whether in math, using words, athletics, the arts, etc. Before my time, Jews were the "strivers," but in my time they could be anybody.
I believe that the elite schools seek special talents and qualities in a variety of areas. Of course, IQ and academic potential also. Elite schools could easily fill their classes with kids with perfect SAT scores. There is the issue with meritocracy with college admissions.
Asian-Americans are the strivers of today. They, on some average, study twice as hard as "white" kids. I do not know whether they are also "resume-builders" like many kids used to be. The sterotype is that Asian kids are all math and violin geniuses.
With ethnic issues dominating the news these days, I'd like to ask a question. Are people with Indian (India) heritage "Asian"?
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Scholar is the highest of the four social classes in China. Thus, being educated is indeed something to strive four. In addition, Chinese kids are taught to respect and obey their parents; ergo, when mom and dad send you to college, it is to be a doctor or engineer, not an art history major. Since educated people in China are to be well rounded in the arts (music, etc.),and wherever there are Chinese, there is China, these kids are primed to study hard and do well.
Yes, Indians are South Asians and in the UK are regarded as Asians in the same way that Pakistanis are Asian. East Asians (Chinese and Koreans especially) are considered apart from South Asians.
How do I know this? I taught courses to special operators regarding Asia and how their different cultures affected warfighting technique, operational art, and strategy. The Vietnamese beat us with superior Sino-Vietnamese operational art that we were unable to understand and overcome.
The asian commies beat us because we had crappy civilian leaders, e.g. LBJ, who were politically afraid to do violence on those who would harm us.
Most of the people at the Ivies - the faculty, administration, students, know exactly what is up WRT natural ability. They are also socially aware enough not to say it, because they know they will be destroyed by the true believers who deny reality. Amazing what you will hear if you get a few drinks into them or those close to them have just had some PC crisis. I worked in a teaching hospital with deep contacts with Dartmouth and Harvard.
Here is the problem: once you admit that one of the disallowed woke categories is actually false, you no longer have a good defense against the others. You are dancing and scrambling at that point. WASPS have grudgingly noted for decades that Asians seem to have a lot going on, and Jews are overrepresnted at the highest levels. Females have the same average IQ as males, but there are unsayables attached to that. Males are slightly better at math, espcecially spatial, and while that does not matter at all in 90% of professions, it matters some in 9%, and hugely in 1%. Also, there is more variation in males than females - in everything - which again only matters at the margins of more developmental disabilities and more geniuses. Can't have that.
Gay couples have high rates of partner abuse, criminality, and divorce. Yet trans people dwarf even that. But you can't say it. The decent people staffing the suicide and abuse hotlines (and shelters) know it but do not say it, because they know they will never work in the field again, or because they really, really believe that if society just accepted them they would feel no more stress and would be like everyone else - or better.
Northern Indians are considered Asians, yes. Most of the ones who are in America are high-caste (descended from the same Yamnayans as Europeans, BTW) but pretend to us that this is not an issue.
Americans are a horrible, bigoted, violent, oppressive people. Except compared to everyone else, in which case we don't look so bad.
Are people from India "Asian"?
Actually no. Totally different culture than "Asian" culture. They are from the "Asian" continent but they are not Asian. Any more than people in Turkey and the Middle East are "Asian." Are people from Israel "Asian"?
You know, there used to be a way we made a distinction. We called people from East Asia and Southeast Asia "Orientals." But somewhere along the line that became racist for reasons that escape me.
It was the British who called people from the Indian subcontinent "Asian" and now that convention has been imported into American race-categorization because it is convenient and beneficial for some. So, for example, a certain politician can claim on varying days she is "African American" or "Asian" whenever it benefits her to do so. (Frankly, she is neither.)
The reason (East) Asians are at the top of the heap is because of culture. Confucianism originated in China, but was widely emulated by other Asian societies which believed that the Han Chinese culture was the superior culture. Much of the history of the Khitan Empire (Great Liao) revolved around whether the Empire should be run based on Han Chinese Confucianism or traditional Khitan tribal beliefs. Similarly, much of Korean history revolved around whether the government and society should be based on Buddhism or Confucianism. Confucianism eventually won, being adopted by the last Joseon dynasty. It is still extremely strong in today's Korea in terms of how the society is structured and in rules of custom and behavior, although in many ways it is almost subconscious. It reflects in the way people relate to each other, and even in the language and hangeul writing system (you speak differently based on whether someone is of a higher or equal status to you; hangeul incorporates Confucian principles of light and dark). You see it in the flag, which reflects Confucian geomancy principles. I have been to Christian church services in Korea where the minister in his sermon will also refer to Confucius or Mencius to make his point.
Confucianism ranked being a scholar at the top of the class pyramid. Confucian governments in China, Korea, Vietnam, etc. recruited their ruling class from scholars. You had to pass an extremely difficult exam that was only given at irregular intervals. And you were tested on such things as your knowledge and understanding of the underlying meaning of classical Chinese poetry. And among other things you had to compose an essay in response to an abstract title usually picked by the king or emperor. Sometimes what the subject was was obvious, but sometimes they were cryptic. The title for example could be "Why Does the Butterfly Rest on the Bamboo?" You then had to compose a response around the title that followed a rigid format and demonstrated your knowledge of Confucian principles.
Sons from aristocratic or wealthy families studied and were tutored for years by other scholars just to be able to take that exam. That all has passed down to today's Asian cultures, where knowledge and education are viewed as the way to succeed.
In Korea the highest status in society is still reserved for university professors. If you watch Korean TV news, when they need a "talking head" on a political or social topic, they virtually always go to a university professor to get their opinion.
There is a good documentary called '9-MAN- about a game of the same name similar to volleyball played in Chinatowns across the US. I recommend it.
Anyways, the rules stipulate that every player must be of Asian ancestry and they list the countries of origin that qualify. They take that very sieriously. India is not on that list.
A defining characteristic of socialist versus capitalist societies is that socialist governments tend to "glorify" scholars and scholarship as these central planners want people who will meet the needs of the State, whereas capitalist citizens reward those who provide what the citizens desire.
While it may appear to some (what Stalin referred to as "useful idiots") that it is more noble or altruistic to reward scholarship, that is simply the facade that communists wish to convey as the other route - rewarding what individuals want instead of what the State wants - necessarily entails a reward system that is capitalism.
Asians are successful because they typically have higher IQs and are, by and large, culturally homogeneous and don't tolerate Woke bullshit. It's probably considered racist say as much, but it's true.
And here I always thought that working hard, putting in the effort, stick-to-it, motivation, and dedication were good things.
Now you are telling me that "strivers" are not thought of as highly as people to whom certain skills come naturally.
I find that disturbingly naive. I suppose it can be true for certain specific skills, and certain specific individuals, but in general, it's a poor rule to depend on. If there are differences between nationalities, races, cultures, I doubt it is because of "natural ability," but rather because those cultures value and encourage hard work and education.
Yes, conservatives tend to think that. The research says otherwise and it's not particularly close. Intelligence is not the only thing one needs to succeed, and in some jobs it is almost irrelevant. There is a necessary threshold of intelligence for any task, having more than that sometimes matters and sometimes doesn't. Frequently other attributes matter more, such as resilience, emotional control, attention to detail, charm, or physical dexterity. And luck can certainly help - if one is prepared to use it.
Wealth and the IQ of Nations makes the claim and supports it well that it is more important to live in a country of smart people than to be smart oneself. It's a fun exercise to contemplate where one stands on that. Most of us find it pretty easy to argue either side of that.
Here's a test: Put young strangers in a room, have them rank themselves in intelligence, then give them a test. I guess part of the test would be to see how critical their thinking really is, as compared to jingoistic.
Stop at 10:00 and give your own rating.
Funny how bad and limited IQ tests can be once the results are in! And how really, really important EQ is (emotional intelligence for all you Neanderthals).
Sorry Aggie, EQ is not a real thing. IQ tests are limited in the sense that they measure some things and do not measure others, but what they do they do very well. Very, very well. People just seem to resent it for some reason.
We have words for social skills, like understanding, empathy, tact, charisma, managing. They don't measure well and they certainly don't cluster together and measure any better. They also don't cluster to begin with. Stick with the precise social skill you want to describe in another person and don't try and sell me the idea that they correlate and are really, [i]really[/] more important, with an insult thrown in.
How dare you suggest feelings aren't real and that emotions don't have real value in navigating inter-dimensional hetero-normative cis-relational gender and intelligence racially-biased issues. Why that young lady is a PhD. She's a scientist. How dare you!
Asians are Muslims who rape women in England. They tend to come from Pakistan, Afghanistan or similar places. I know this because I've read British news reports and that's how rapists from that area are identified.