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Saturday, August 15. 2020

Election Day...in South Korea

It's coming and I don't personally agree that mail-in voting is an option.  I can't get anything delivered on time, why should I expect the USPS to handle my vote any better?  Not only that, but unless the government pays for the envelope, isn't a stamp a form of "poll tax"?  Seems to me, mail-in voting is just make-work to keep a government jobs program (the failing USPS) viable.


There are ways, as Fauci (though he's been all over the map with his views) states, to allow in-person voting.  One thing we can do is pay attention to South Korea over the next few weeks.


 My personal opinion is that voting should be a three to five day long process and no early exit polls or counts should be publicly shared until polls are closed.


Not that I fear the virus, particularly.  But some do - so set some voting guidelines, stick to them, and let's make this work. 

Posted by Bulldog in Hot News & Misc. Short Subjects at 08:19 | Comments (21) | Trackbacks (0)

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Voting is already a multi week process. Its called "early voting". I just did it yesterday (in person).
#1 Stargazer on 2020-08-15 08:47 (Reply)
For president? Without the tickets set?

Here in NJ we became the ninth state to approve mail-in yesterday DESPITE being victims of fraud in the primaries...

You know, just make a bad thing worse...
#1.1 Bulldog on 2020-08-15 10:22 (Reply)
No. State & local. Walked in. Voted. Walked out. About 10 minutes total.
#1.1.1 Stargazer on 2020-08-15 11:06 (Reply)
Where does that happen? County election offices? Washington went all mail years ago. Used to be polling places scattered day of. Now not only ballot boxes around various cities, but they pay the postage to drop in mail.
How do they handle the 8:00 close if the post office closed at 5? Include anything that is in the box the next morning?
With the ballot drop boxes, do they assign one runner to each box promptly at 8:00? Or is it a route so you could still get it in until the runner comes?
#1.1.1.1 Jerry on 2020-08-15 12:06 (Reply)
Florida. Walk in to one of many "early voting" polling places. Present your driver's license (or state id). Get a ballot tailored for your precinct. Vote. Leave. Simple and quick.
#1.1.1.1.1 Stargazer on 2020-08-15 15:34 (Reply)
Check your individual county's online pages. In Texas we will have more than two weeks of Early Voting in October at many of the polling places. This is the norm here. The voting process is exactly the same as on Election Day. And as always, Absentee Voting is also available, but you have to sign up for it early. Again: Check your county.

Also invaluable this year: Spend a little time on Vote Smart (www.VoteSmart.org). This is a non-profit that has been around forever, started with President Ford's and Carter's blessings. Enter your zip code, it pulls up your candidates. Study your candidate's voting records: They are there. Vote Smart is a great site and they get my money.
#1.1.1.1.2 Aggie on 2020-08-16 00:17 (Reply)
That's how it is in Texas, too, lots of early voting, which reduces the crowding and long lines on Election Day. The early voting period has been extended for the November election, out of concern for social-distancing. It was to start on Oct. 13 last I heard, but may be extended further.
#1.1.1.2 Texan99 on 2020-08-16 12:26 (Reply)
The powerful forces of the Seattle female leadership came into Montana several years ago. They hired an "elections expert" to guarantee open/free elections. This gal is slick--just like her handlers--however, the 2018 election was rigged. Multiple events including a "computer meltdown" and also a poorly planned "new location" for the largest voting neighborhood, etc. When asked for a legal challenge the very nice attorney general (R) said we didn't' have enough evidence. Ahhhh . . . so love to compromise with these people. The elections for city council always return the same people -- just like they do in Seattle. You may remember that the State of WA and Seattle in particular have not had an honest election for more than 100 years--they simply don't believe in them. The female AG who became governor whose election was challenged once said, "what difference does it make? An election is just an indicator of how people are feeling". It will all come down to the courage of the members of your local bar association. As individuals they either have the courage to put themselves and their families in harms way for your right to an honest election, or they don't.
#2 Apple Pie on 2020-08-15 10:01 (Reply)
It's coming and I don't personally agree that mail-in voting is an option.

I agree. I don't the losing side is going to see this as a fair election.

isn't a stamp a form of "poll tax"?

LOL. Well, I suppose it it, but since this is all the dems' idea, I doubt that is an issue.

My personal opinion is that voting should be a three to five day long process and no early exit polls or counts should be publicly shared until polls are closed.

Wouldn't the prohibiting of exit polling be a freedom of speech issue? Because of the issue of exit polling I would still prefer the voting being done on one day, though I don't like the idea of lines of people not being able to vote because the polls are closing. That's a problem our elected officials should not allow to happen.

Not that I fear the virus, particularly.

Heck, you've had it. Aren't you immune?
#3 feeblemind on 2020-08-15 10:04 (Reply)
I didn't fear it before I got it, but you know the experts - I MIGHT get it "again". Reality? No, I probably won't. The people who have gotten it "again" just didn't get it all out of their system. I could have been a victim of that. My antibody test - a month and a half after last symptoms - showed I was still in recovery. I had to take 2 more weeks off of exercise.

As for the exit polls and a freedom of speech issue - maybe? I don't know. Problem is polling of that kind is designed to just drum up activity. So it should be banned. Forms of freedom of speech are banned - ones that create clear and present dangers ("Fire" in a crowded theater). I believe exit polling over a long period of time could fall under "voter suppression" or some other kind of election engineering.

Certainly it's as bad as Trump saying he'd defund USPS to stop mail-in voting, which he didn't specifically say and isn't criminal in any way, but you know - the press HAS to have something to say to draw attention away from the Israel/UAE agreement that they didn't want to cover.
#3.1 Bulldog on 2020-08-15 10:27 (Reply)
I fear it. I am 77 YO and have had two lung operations. I have children and grandchildren I would like to continue to be part of their life. I have no wish to die before my time.
#3.1.1 GoneWithTheWind on 2020-08-15 10:35 (Reply)
As you should. That's why I stated this as I did.
I'm not blind to the risks, and some accommodations do need to be made.

I just think most of the 'safety measures' have been politically motivated and have not saved lives - merely made people angry and poorer (except for Jeff Bezos...).
#3.1.1.1 Bulldog on 2020-08-15 11:04 (Reply)
Early voting is bad enough, but one of the biggest hazards of widespread mail-in voting is Late Voting. Id' have laughed at that possibility a few years ago, but were going to end up with it in November. Judges issue injunctions, Democrats collect as many votes as they need to win. Broward County 2018 was a small taste of what we have coming.
#4 itsatax on 2020-08-15 10:54 (Reply)
This past June 9th, I sent an oil sample via USPS from Payson AZ, destination Atlanta GA. It arrived in Phoenix, AZ five days later (it’s an hour drive to Phoenix. There was a fire closing the B Line, so 3 hours). An additional five days later it left Phoenix. For two weeks I had no additional tracking information until it arrived someplace in Kentucky (that was a third party tracking APP, USPS said it was in transit). I continued to check the tracking about every other day, until I just gave up some time in early July. On the 23rd of July I received an email from WIX, in Atlanta, that they had received my oil sample.

I say NO, to 100% voting by mail. It is a recipe for fraud and disaster! Which is what the democrats want. Just look at their candidates. Joe Biden is a puppet, just who is the puppet master?
#5 B. Hammer on 2020-08-15 11:04 (Reply)
Korea: One voting system. U.S.: 50 voting systems. Any rules sent down from DC to states is federal interference. As my father used to say, "The road to Hell is paved with good intentions."
#6 SgtBob (Link) on 2020-08-15 13:31 (Reply)
Yes, that's sort've true. In reality, SK has several different voting 'systems' but that's besides the point.

What we can learn is whether the methods employed kept people safe - and if they can be employed here in various different areas where situations are similar.

The REAL problem - and this IS a problem - is that Democrats firmly believe we need a "one size fits all" approach to everything. If it's done a certain way in NYC, and it kind've, sort've works, then IT MUST work in Paducah.
Because Democrats are just that much smarter than everyone else. The idea of different regional systems, or even levels of transmission, or behaviors...that's all so foreign to their mindset of "one good idea trumps reality" that they simply don't care.
#6.1 Bulldog on 2020-08-15 14:37 (Reply)
It's simple! Have polling places in Walmart and Starbuck's and Hardee's!
#7 Ted on 2020-08-15 14:05 (Reply)
Paper ballots. Absentee ballots only for soldiers.

That's how it's done here in Israel, the hi-tech powerhouse.

Ridiculously easy to hack all voting machines. As has been repeatedly demonstrated.
#8 Ben david on 2020-08-15 15:51 (Reply)
Purple Ink on your fingers, so you can't run across town (or to the next state over) and vote again under your other registration.
We need volunteers now to comb through the registration lists, comparing them to Death Certificate lists; don't let the dead people vote again.
#8.1 nunnya bidnez jr on 2020-08-15 17:12 (Reply)
One reason exit polls should not come out until the actual voting is over: Florida 2000. The TV news programs said Gore had won shortly after the polls closed in the large portion of Florida in the Eastern Time Zone, although the count had just started there. But the polls closed an hour later in the Central Time Zone part of Florida, which includes the most Republican part of the state, around Pensacola. Many people who were waiting in line left for home without voting when they heard this. Bush likely lost at least a net 5000 votes because of this.
#9 Roland F Hirsch on 2020-08-15 21:50 (Reply)
One of the problems with the "mail in voting" as the Democrats are proposing (and it is very different from the current absentee balloting that most states have) is that they want to send - without the voter requesting it - a ballot to every registered voter.

It might sound okay; however, it isn't and the reason why is that there are many voters who are currently registered in one jurisdiction but no longer live there. They either died, or moved away, and their registration was not updated. Many folks in the US think that when they move and register in a new state (or even a new city in the same state) that their old district is notified. It is NOT! It is up to the voter to notify their old district that they are no voting there anymore. So, many people are actually registered in many places.

Start sending out ballots to people who will not receive them is just asking for voter fraud.
#10 charles on 2020-08-15 23:30 (Reply)

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