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Sunday, November 3. 2019Shoes for IndustryMrs. Barrister advises that, the closer a person reaches maturity, the more important it is to dress well without appearing sloppy. I agree with that, and I notice it. Rightly or wrongly, appearance has impact. It matters more when you have a coat and tie job, or a suit and tie job. Have you ever noticed how well even elderly gents look in an up-to-date well-fitted suit? However, I am writing this post to discuss shoes for coat-and-tie men, or even no-tie. Surely it matters as much or more for women, but my knowledge there is minimal because when Mrs. B says "Jimmy Choos" I think she is saying "Mumble Shoes." Men's dress/work shoes can range from London's hand-made bespoke shoes to Nordstrom's off the rack. The more expensive, the longer they last. Good ones last a lifetime, and get seasoned with time, if not abused so guys rarely need new good shoes. A good rule is that pretty good shoes (over, say, $350-400) should rarely be worn 2 days in a row. I generally have a modest dress shoe shelf, a black and a corduvan dress loafer, and a black and brown pair of tie shoes. My old black Brooks tassel loafers finally had to go - my feet flattened too much for them and they proved unstretchable. These dress shoes double as running shoes: A former Adidas designer has reinvented the dress shoe to be as comfortable as sneakers. Company has a cool name: Wolf & Shepherd
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I don't disagree with what you are saying. But now put yourself West of the Mississippi and outside of a large city. What do you wear? I am retired and brought all of my suits, ties and sports jackets to Goodwill. I now wear jeans or shorts and a plain polo shirt in the Summer and jeans and a zip up sweater in the winter. Boots when necessary but otherwise soft hiking shoes. Everyone else except the lawyers around here wear the same thing. It is so much more comfortable than suits and ties. Am I dressed to impress? Well, impress who? No one West of the Mississippi cares what you wear unless you stand out with a suit and tie and then they don't trust you.
"...unless you stand out with a suit and tie and then they don't trust you."
You can moderate that in Texas with a good pair of dress boots, which are in style from the Panhandle to the Rio Grande. I'm disappointed on a daily basis when I see the Deans and President of a campus of the University of TEXAS wearing slicker suits and some truly crappy dress shoes. Not just Suits, but culturally, historically tone-deaf Suits. The word "carpetbagger" whispers in my mind. Years ago after staying up all night with a problem gas well, I went to a small boot shop down in The Valley near Brownsville. Picked out a tanned young bullhide and had my foot measured about 10 different ways. Specified the toe, the heel, the height and style of the top. No stitching. My boots came in the mail about 2 months later, and when I pulled them on, it was like someone was holding my feet, they were so comfortable. Did it again with my bride about 20 years later, same boot shop, same humble proprietor. Armando is still holding my feet.
Aggie, you made me think of this old Jerry Jeff Walker song:
Charlie Dunn https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_7irIxJ8ZM A very old, but active, lawyer, top-partner in his firm, well off, high-society type guy, once told me, "The good thing about being old, is nobody cares how you dress anymore, so I can be more comfortable than when climbing the ladder."
It's finding any "fashionable" shoes in a 9EE that's a problem. I honestly don't think D for men in the U.S. is actually average anymore.
Allen Edmonds and Alden make shoes in a EE and while they may not be "fashionable", they are timeless and good looking. They are pricey up front, but can be 'rebuilt' fairly inexpensively.
Just down market from them Ecco makes shoes with a decently wide toe box (most of them). A little more fashion forward, and usually softer soled (more comfortable to walk in). $350 -400 for a pair of shoes? Sorry I’m not climbing the corporate ladder any more. $60-80 shoes last several years and I defy you to tell the difference at a glance. If I commented to a male colleague about his great looking pair of shoes, I guarantee he’d move to another lunch table.
Bass Weejuns. Been wearing them for at least 50 years. Haven't put a penny,or dime, in them since I was in my 20's. My career as an exploration geologist in the field required serious hiking boots--Lowa or Raichle and more recently Alica from Italy. Good serious boots are hard to find. And you can't go wrong with a good pair of cowboy boots. For winter wear nothing beats Sorel.
Wore a 9EEE jumpboot in garrison back in the later 60's. Now I wear a 11 sorel boot in the winter. Seems I am still growing but not vertically.
I was at a Rotary luncheon several years back and one of the chaps at the table spoke across the table to another gentleman: "If had your money, I think I would dress a little bit nicer." To which the gentleman responded: "If you had my money, you would dress anyway you wanted to."
Way back, I was working at Harry's Shoes (Broadway & 83rd),
when a somewhat scruffy zhlub was peering in the windows, gawking at the nice shoes. The owner of Harry's came over to me and said "ya see that old guy, he could buy and sell you a hundred times over." Yeah? who is he? "that's Mr. Zabar, he owns Zabar's Specialty Foods." > Company has a cool name: Wolf & Shepherd
Anyone who charges that much for shoes and doesn't do wide and narrow widths is a twit and should be shunned from polite society. I own 6 pairs of Bally shoes of different colors, the narrow and very stylish Continental version that they stopped making years ago, each of them around 40 years old I would guess. They've been resoled multiple times. They still look new and they are as comfortable a shoe as one ever gets.
They must be good when the shoemaker charges you extra to work on them. Although I recently had a a problem; with the skinny pants, its men's shoes forward. For a school function, I choose the out of style pants, so no to flash my Ballys.
Pun potential passed. Good thread! I've worn ECCO shoes in business settings for years. Highly recommended. Very comfortable, and normally under $150. Can't replace the soles, but they wear very well. Maybe 2-3 years of hard wear before tossing them, which is about what I got from re-soling $300 shoes over 5 years. And I get a style upgrade every so often.
One thing not mentioned here is what I learned from my Marine Drill Instructor. A pair of shoes is only as good as the shine on them. Amazing what a dollar can of Kiwi, an old t-shirt, and a soft brush to clean the edges and soles can do. Other than genuine work boots/shoes, there's no excuse for even modest dress shoes to be grimy. When I attended my first management meeting at the Kennedy Space Center, I noticed that I was the only one not wearing Cordovan slip-on shoes with tassels. I was wearing my Florsheim brown wingtips. It was obvious that if I was to fit in there, I needed to buy some new shoes.
What total piffle. Judging a man’s character by how much he paid for his shoes? Are you really suggesting that men become preening peacocks and shoe snobs? Women have fought against such nonsense for years and now you want men to become shoe hounds? I judge people by their character, their actions, and their words, not by the clothes that they wear.
A few years ago I read an article about a guy who searched through the shoe rack at some Goodwill stores and found a couple of pairs of very expensive shoes. He sent the shoes to the factory for a rebuild and ended up getting effectively brand new name brand shoes for half the cost of new.
Heh. I had enough experience of Israeli culture to winnow my dress clothing before coming here. Visitors from my hitech employer's west coast office quickly ditch dress clothes upon arrival.
Local style is determined by a combination of willfully proletariat socialist history and the sloppy business casual of modern hitech. Lately there is a revival of ethnic romanticism: some of my friends wear turkish or Circassian tunics instead of western dress shirts on the sabbath. I kept one dark suit to be respectful in "ultra" orthodox circles. I couldn't bear to part with my wing tips but have worn them less than 5 times in 25 years. My boys occasionally riffle with wonder through the box of neckties on top of my closet - also unused, but too nice to discard. I think that they should make a good pair of Oxfords with toes, like those FiveFinger sneakers. They should also make a pair with a switchblade knife, like they had in the James Bond Movie. And they need a pair with golf cleats, so that you can make a lot of noise when you walk around. And they need a pair with adjustable heels, so that you can push a button and get three inches taller if you meet a nice girl. And Segway Oxfords would be good, you can just glide into your next meeting. And there could be Apple Oxfords, they give you text messages in braille on the bottom of your feet. And there could be survival Oxfords, the heels contain drinking water, and a three day supply of food. And finally, steel-toed Oxfords, for the discriminating welder.
I see I'm not the only one laughing at "Shoes for Industry".
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