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Sunday, February 10. 2019

Boys and girls in school


"From elementary school through college, girls are more disciplined about their schoolwork than boys; they study harder and get better grades."


Interesting topic. On average, female students are more conscientious and more eager to please than males.  Thus they make for better students, as college and grad school admissions currently reflect. Our German educational system was not designed for red-blooded restless boys.


It's interesting to consider the IQ distribution curves of males and females. Males have longer tails on the left and right sides - more dummies and more geniuses. Neither adapt well to classroom demands.


Posted by The Barrister in Education at 13:45 | Comments (13) | Trackbacks (0)

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Maybe, what I think is really going on is school age girls seek affirmation and attention. The teacher gives them that so they do what is necessary to receive it. Boys don't much give a shit, so they do what they like barring punishment or the fear of punishment. Also girls get a pass on their behavior and boys do not, because of toxic masculinity or something. And indeed boys behavior often requires rebuke. So because of this teachers are not inclined to grade boys fairly and punish them at grading time.
#1 Anon on 2019-02-10 15:18 (Reply)
From the comments at Instapundit on Genderism:

“Ever notice that in every discussion of girls vs boys it is: How we can encourage girls. vs How we can correct boys. Or Girls ‘kick ass’ and boys are ‘toxic.’ Notably even in cases where Genderists claim to care about boys it is about fixing their problematic nature. If boys fare poorly it is because their failings, not because of the failings of those to whom their care was entrusted. At this point it is fairly obvious. But the post-mortem analysis of the effects of Genderism will astound in the coming decades. It will make the Catholic Priest child abuse scandals pale in comparison.”
#2 Erasmus on 2019-02-10 16:10 (Reply)
Interesting topic. On average, female students are more conscientious and more eager to please than males.

Anecdote 1. Of the students who repeated a year at my elementary school who had been in my class, 7 were boys and 3 were girls. (I am not including one boy who stayed back but had been born in late December.) Some were in the rebel category, some were in the not so able category.

It's interesting to consider the IQ distribution curves of males and females. Males have longer tails on the left and right sides - more dummies and more geniuses.

Back in the '90s, that is what I found out in perusing the library stacks.

Anecdote 2. during my undergraduate years I worked as an aide in an institution for the mentally retarded. There were definitely more males there than females residing there.

Which reminds me of one of my first encounters with the ever-changing paradigms of Political Correctness. When I first worked there, we were told that we were to refer to the mentally retarded there as "residents." They had formerly been called "patients," which we were told was not appropriate as most patients get "cured," and they had a permanent condition. Better to call them residents, as this was their home. I had no problem with that.

Several years later after quitting to return to school full time, I went back to work at that institution for the mentally retarded. This time, we were told that the mentally retarded at the institution were our "clients." I DID have a problem with that term, as it seemed to me that a client was able to articulate to a professional what the client wanted the professional to do for him/her. The mentally retarded were unable to advocate for themselves.
#3 Gringo on 2019-02-10 16:34 (Reply)
"There were definitely more males there than females residing there."

Not to disagree with what you said I would offer the observation that at least part of the reason their were more males there than females is that being crazy or low IQ is seriously bad socially and economically for males but not for females. Females have another option/skill/asset they can depend on. A lot of crazy females simply marry down.
#3.1 Anon on 2019-02-10 17:16 (Reply)
Male IQ’s (at least for whites) average 4 points higher than female IQ’s. Moreover, the very traits that make boys worse students are those needed for success in business, techology, universities and the military.

One of the main problems school boys have is the bigotry of the school marms. How many girls are drugged into stupifaction by women teachers? How many male teachers does a school boy ever see? 1%?

Boy need sex-segregated schools, even sex-segregated colleges.
#4 bob sykes on 2019-02-10 16:37 (Reply)
The old-time school marms were a lot fairer with boys than the current crop of "woke," Politically Correct female teachers. For example, as an avid reader I found opportunity to correct elementary school teachers on factual errors. In looking back, with the exception of one teacher, my teachers were pretty tolerant of that. That one teacher did have a point, I later realized: a "little professor" schtick will not endear one to others- especially one's peers.
#4.1 Gringo on 2019-02-10 16:48 (Reply)
My 1st grade teacher back in 1949 was at least 65-70 years old. My 2nd grade teacher too but she retired mid year and was replaced by a 23 yo quite pretty teacher. My mother sensed something was wrong within a week or two because my grades were OK and she wasn't getting disciplinary calls and notes from the teacher. She was only a little surprised to see she was a pretty young lady. I think I was in love. Petit, brown hair and brown eyes and since I was a :problem" student I think she paid more attention to me. In fact she essentially treated me with deference much like all the female teachers treated the girls in class. The rest of my grade school teachers were all about 65. Don't misunderstand my point, they were good teachers but they knew the only way to deal with boys who talked too much and didn't pay attention was with a strict policy of discipline and shaming them in class. The good news was that by age 12 I was immune to shame and discipline (at least from female teachers).

The lesson to learn from this? Even 7 year old boys are girl chasing dogs.
#4.1.1 Anon on 2019-02-10 17:12 (Reply)
The Horace Mann/John Dewey government education system should be scrapped and parents left to determine the kind of education their children should receive. One size to fit all does not fit all and it has become a propaganda machine. Government and education should be permanently separated as they once were.
#5 indyjonesouthere on 2019-02-10 18:07 (Reply)
As a new freshman in high school in 1962, we were required to take a foreign language and the choice was French or Latin. Believe it or not, most of the boys took Latin. The teacher was a wisp of a woman-Miss Johnson and she had been teaching Latin for 40 years. We thought we were going to be able to get away with everything. The first day, two or three boys "acted" up and were sent next door to the male teachers classroom--he was the football coach. They came back with their tails between their legs. Same drill on day two. By day three everyone got the message and there was no more disruption. After sophomore year she retired and she was not replaced. That two years of Latin served me well all the way through graduate school to a PhD.
#6 rocdoctom on 2019-02-10 18:37 (Reply)
My first and second grade teachers were young and attractive. My first grade teacher was married. My second grade teacher got married at the end of the year and resigned. I don't recall I had a greater need to please them than other teachers.

Though I was very glad in third grade to be given a ride home from school one day from the first grade teacher- not the one I had- in her open-air sports car. The sports car was the attraction for me. IIRC, it was a Jag. Or was it an MG?
#6.1 Gringo on 2019-02-10 20:21 (Reply)
I was not interested in pleasing the teacher and it hurt my high school grades. The farther I got in school (grad school) the more my independence was a benefit. Ph.D. program was a breeze. As an example of the difference, a fellow Ph.D. candidate with the same prof studied for her prelims for a year. I studied....not at all. Used the time to conduct original research to add to my thesis.
#7 cc (Link) on 2019-02-10 20:05 (Reply)
The schools are feminized.

The assignments are every day and tedious and pointless. It is far different from when I (we) were students.

Boys will rise to the task (say a big test or paper) and then quit for a few days. This works fine if that is what the grade is based upon. But... If the grade includes things like participation and turning in worksheets everyday, the boys will just not care.

My son would have a backpack full of completed worksheets that he never bothered to turn in.

This sort of nonsense has spread to college. Many of us that comment on this blog would have a hard time in college these days. It is not the same as back in the day.
#8 Mike (Link) on 2019-02-10 22:08 (Reply)
Compared to public schools the home schooled kids greatly impress me. They are better behaved and are not so tempted by the teenage hipster angst/rebellion that is prevalent in school peer pressure. What's lacking seems to be discipline of students who cause trouble and separation of boys and girls in classrooms to meet the need of the different learning styles of boys. And not endlessly hearing how the girls are better because they can sit there and parrot everything back to teacher but when a boy says 'why is it that way?' he's told that's disruptive.
#9 JoeRoy on 2019-02-11 13:19 (Reply)

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