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re This Is CNN: Network Thought Dem VA Governor Embroiled In Racist Yearbook Fiasco Was A Republican

They didn't think he was a Republican. They did it to give the GOP a black eye.

These 'mistakes' always go one way . . . against Republicans and conservatives.

#1 feeblemind on 2019-02-04 09:06 (Reply)

The most shocking part of the racist yearbook photo is what critics leave out

QUOTE:

In the church of the modern-day media, there is no room for redemption. We have a zero-tolerance policy against anyone caught being a racist. They can apologize profusely without any denials or rationalizations, but they will most likely be banished from public life.
And no doubt this policy is good.

This sums up the thinking of The Left in a nutshell. Toe the Party Line or face excommunication. They are merciless. There will be no forgiveness.

#2 feeblemind on 2019-02-04 09:31 (Reply)

Leftist freaks do love their struggle sessions.

#2.1 Rusty on 2019-02-04 09:47 (Reply)

feeblemind: They are merciless. There will be no forgiveness.

Actually, much of the political right has gleefully piled on.

#2.2 Zachriel on 2019-02-04 10:28 (Reply)

Actually, so what?

#2.2.1 Zzzatemypuppy on 2019-02-04 10:34 (Reply)

1) Poke bear with stick
2) Get mauled by bear
3) "That bear gleefully piled on me!"

#2.2.1.1 Rusty on 2019-02-04 11:46 (Reply)

"Actually, idiot-provoked bear maulings began their decline during Obama's last year in office."

#2.2.1.1.1 Bill Carson on 2019-02-04 11:58 (Reply)

Whoa Zach. What's that phrase your fellow travelers like to use to deflect criticism? Whataboutism? That's it. In response to an article talking about the left's going after Northam you say, the right's doing it too.

#2.2.2 BornSouthern on 2019-02-04 11:25 (Reply)

Nice catch! Textbook "Whatabout" from the Caped Whataboutism Crusader! Looking forward to the Gasbot's devastating response. It'll be like that from an accomplished logician, I reckon, yet bereft of any logic whatsoever.

#2.2.2.1 Bill Carson on 2019-02-04 11:55 (Reply)

Zach, I was referring to the comment quoted. I was not referring to the governor.

But I will say this. If we continue to disqualify candidates for office for things they did as children or merely for having bad taste, we will further shrink the pool of competent candidates for office and that is not a good thing.

There just aren't enough angels running for public office to make up for the shortfall.

#2.2.3 feeblemind on 2019-02-04 11:27 (Reply)

QUOTE:

Actually, much of the political right has gleefully piled on.

It's enough to make one long for the days when you, like a veritable beacon of sanity and restraint, resisted the urge to pile on regarding Bret Kavanaugh's SCOTUS appointment. Oh, wait ...

QUOTE:

In fact, Kavanaugh's testimony about a Devil's Triangle was a demonstrable lie, and directly relevant to the assault allegations made by Christine Blasey Ford.

Whatever Ralph Northam's flaws, thank Gaia he hasn't (yet!) been accused of partaking in the beyond heinous ... Devil's Triangle.

And how is justice for Christine Blasey Ford coming along? You likely haven't slept a wink in your dogged pursuit of that someone who sexually assaulted Dr. Ford somewhere at some time. Onward secular soldier!

Or are you going to take time out from your valiant quest for justice for Dr. Ford and her hippocampus in order to properly crucify Governor Northham, consistent with your deep love for "brown people"? Do tell.

#2.2.4 Bill Carson on 2019-02-04 11:31 (Reply)

Governor Northam. Governor Ralph Coonman Northam. Good lord! Pass the $#@%ing popcorn!

#2.2.4.1 Bill Carson on 2019-02-04 11:44 (Reply)

As they should. What is the rule: Make them live up to their own standards? Except the left doesn’t have much in the way of standards, except double standards. Oh, and killing the unborn, the very top priority that must not be interfered with. It is a sacrament for the left.

#2.2.5 B. Hammer on 2019-02-04 11:32 (Reply)

BornSouthern: What's that phrase your fellow travelers like to use to deflect criticism? Whataboutism?

It wouldn't be whataboutism. The claim is a generalization, "This sums up the thinking of The Left in a nutshell," when it's clear that the right is also piling on. The generalization fails.

feeblemind: I was referring to the comment quoted. I was not referring to the governor.

You made a generalization about the political left, that they are "merciless" on the issue of race, even though the political right is also piling on.

feeblemind: If we continue to disqualify candidates for office for things they did as children or merely for having bad taste, we will further shrink the pool of competent candidates for office and that is not a good thing.

Sure. As most people of color will tell you, there is nothing surprising about this. If that were the test, then people of color would have no allies, probably not even within their own ranks. However, Northam is in the position of being sorry after he got caught, rather than having dealt with this in the past. But then again, if he had, he may never have been elected.

B. Hammer: What is the rule: Make them live up to their own standards?

Of course they should live up to their own standards. And for that matter, Republicans should also live up to their own standards of behavior, such as you shouldn't brag about "grabbing them by the p@$$y" or "laziness is a trait in blacks". The question is what is the appropriate punishment, assuming the person is remorseful.

#2.2.6 Zachriel on 2019-02-04 12:03 (Reply)

QUOTE:

As most people of color will tell you ...

Zachriel, People of Color Whisperer ...

#2.2.6.1 Bill Carson on 2019-02-04 12:09 (Reply)

Bill Carson: Zachriel, People of Color Whisperer ...

Do you really need a citation to a scientific poll? 66% of nonwhites labeled prejudice a "very serious" problem

#2.2.6.1.1 Zachriel on 2019-02-04 12:15 (Reply)

In that case, Zachriel, People of Color Whisperer^People of Color Whisperer^exp(People of Color Whisperer)!!!

#2.2.6.1.1.1 Bill Carson on 2019-02-04 12:20 (Reply)

And we realize that, like many, you have strong feelings about being caught feigning concern for non-whites, and we respect those, but ...

#2.2.6.1.1.2 Bill Carson on 2019-02-04 12:23 (Reply)

Bill Carson: And we realize that, like many, you have strong feelings about being caught feigning concern for non-whites, and we respect those, but ...

Our statement had a factual basis.

#2.2.6.1.1.2.1 Zachriel on 2019-02-04 12:26 (Reply)

Kinda like those smirking white Catholic kids surrounding and taunting that noble "elder"...

Huh kiddiez?

#2.2.6.1.1.2.1.1 Zzzatemypuppy on 2019-02-04 12:39 (Reply)

A tenth of everything you've ever said had factual basis, Gasbot.

Are all us normal real human people persons somehow collectively wrong about your singular font of unmitigated mechanical bullshit, Gasbot, or do you just enjoy the constant correction?

Still okay with dismembering the unborn? Hawking an unscientific apocalyptic dystopian fantasy? Force as the inevitable delivery mechanism for the next Utopia? Comfy lying about trolling?

Start with that last one, Gasbot. It's the easiest. We can work from there.

#2.2.6.1.1.2.1.2 Meh on 2019-02-04 12:45 (Reply)

QUOTE:

Our statement had a factual basis.

You can pretend harder than that!

#2.2.6.1.1.2.1.3 Bill Carson on 2019-02-04 12:48 (Reply)

Bill Carson: You can pretend harder than that!

We provided the basis of our claim. We can't make you look.

#2.2.6.1.1.2.1.3.1 Zachriel on 2019-02-04 12:51 (Reply)

That the dossier is a political product is explicitly made in the FISA application.
Another one the kiddiez made up.

#2.2.6.1.1.2.1.3.1.1 Zzzatemypuppy on 2019-02-04 12:54 (Reply)

Don't be a quitter, Zachriel - pretend harder! Like sharing a shot of you hugging a Rosa Parks statue or taking a knee in your parents' basement. You can do it!

#2.2.6.1.1.2.1.3.1.2 Bill Carson on 2019-02-04 13:00 (Reply)

You send me to CNN? The network that put an R after Northams’ name. If they will lie about the party affiliation, what the heck won’t they lie about? Disgusting.

#2.2.6.1.1.2.1.3.1.3 B. Hammer on 2019-02-04 13:55 (Reply)

B. Hammer: You send me to CNN?

It's a report on a Quinnipiac University poll. Do you not think CNN is reporting it accurately? Or do you always substitute ad hominem in lieu of thoughtful consideration of fact?

#2.2.6.1.1.2.1.3.1.3.1 Zachriel on 2019-02-04 15:46 (Reply)

Another red herring...
Y'all do that a lot.

#2.2.6.1.1.2.1.3.1.3.1.1 Zzzatemypuppy on 2019-02-04 16:08 (Reply)

How about some thoughtful consideration of the fact you refuse to comment on the direct questions of a politically-philosophical nature put to you, young Gasbot? Not to the level in school yet that deals in the fundamental lie of the left's intolerant utopian collectivists or the part where force is the constant companion of their tyrants?

I mean, you are on a lot about Baraq's Miracle Economy and such. I wouldn't call him a tyrant necessarily but that pen-and-phone part and the whole corruption of State did raise some eyebrows, you'll admit.

Will there be a class on mass deception and an inability - actually, a flat refusal - to learn from history? Is man somehow predisposed only to rule or be ruled, Gasbot?

I'd like some thoughtful consideration of fact, if it's not above you. Jabbering endlessly certainly isn't, so one assumes you have some basis in, er, thoughtful consideration and fact.

#2.2.6.1.1.2.1.3.1.3.1.2 Meh on 2019-02-04 16:21 (Reply)

Do I think CNN is reporting it accurately? I have no idea, but if I had to wager, I would say no. Given the track record of CNN, for instance, the way they lied about Northams’ political affiliation, given the fact that 99% of their on air personalities are people who used to work for, or are married to people that work for the democrats, I would not consider my distrust of them an ad hominem attack. CNN got the nickname Clinton News Network, for a reason.

The way the entire democrat media complex carries on, they truly are a danger to the country. They don’t report, they spew propaganda. They are unworthy of my respect, not to mention my attention.

#2.2.6.1.1.2.1.3.1.3.1.3 B. Hammer on 2019-02-04 17:35 (Reply)

B. Hammer: Do I think CNN is reporting it accurately? I have no idea, but if I had to wager, I would say no.

Gee whiz. Why guess? We linked to the actual poll.

#2.2.6.1.1.2.1.3.1.3.1.3.1 Zachriel on 2019-02-04 17:43 (Reply)

QUOTE:

"grabbing them by the p@$$y" or "laziness is a trait in blacks"

You left out the Devil's Triangle! C'mon, man/men, get in the game!

#2.2.6.2 Bill Carson on 2019-02-04 12:15 (Reply)

as often as the "pussy" quote is repeated by people who have not actually listened to the tape... he was specifically speaking in the 3rd person, referring to the behavior of celebrities. He did NOT claim to be doing it.

[ BTW it was my wife, who played the whole thing, that pointed that out to me]

#2.2.6.3 jay (Link) on 2019-02-04 12:30 (Reply)

jay: he was specifically speaking in the 3rd person, referring to the behavior of celebrities. He did NOT claim to be doing it.

Oh gee whiz. Trump often uses the third-person to refer to himself, but that isn't even the case here. It's clear he is referring to himself.

QUOTE:

Trump: You know, I’m automatically attracted to beautiful — I just start kissing them. It’s like a magnet. Just kiss. I don’t even wait. And when you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything.

Bush: Whatever you want.

Trump: Grab ’em by the pussy. You can do anything.

"Of course he said it." — Billy Bush

#2.2.6.3.1 Zachriel on 2019-02-04 12:35 (Reply)

"They let you do it."

Sounds consentual to me.

#2.2.6.3.1.1 Rusty on 2019-02-04 12:45 (Reply)

Kinda like the kiddiez cherry pick their "evidence".

#2.2.6.3.1.1.1 Zzzatemypuppy on 2019-02-04 13:07 (Reply)

Funny thing. Lt.Gov. Justin Fairfax of Virginia claims she wanted it.

#2.2.6.3.1.2 Zzzatemypuppy on 2019-02-04 18:20 (Reply)

ZachrielNPC:"It wouldn't be whataboutism.

Actually, it is.

A textbook example, in fact.

It's so easy to pick you apart because dishonesty is so intrinsic to who you are.

You serve the father of lies.

#2.2.6.4 Rusty on 2019-02-04 12:41 (Reply)

zachrielNPC: The claim is a generalization, "This sums up the thinking of The Left in a nutshell," when it's clear that the right is also piling on. The generalization fails.

Notice the zachriel rhetorical trick:

"You made a generalization about the left. But whatabout the right??? "

How can you tell if zachriel is lying? His fingers are typing.

#2.2.6.5 Rusty on 2019-02-04 12:54 (Reply)

Leftist whataboutist truthiness, Gasbot. Why I'm shocked.

Tell me, why does Utopianism require so much mendacity? Just a general question from the same shelf as how-many-deaths-to-create-Utopia, also perpetually unanswered.

#2.2.7 Meh on 2019-02-04 12:06 (Reply)

If it is good for the goose...

#2.2.8 Dangerous Dean on 2019-02-04 13:26 (Reply)

conspiracy theory time--sometimes theories have some truth

He publicly advocates for the abortion bill, admitting that it could involve euthanizing an otherwise live birth. The next day he reiterates, making sure he is not misunderstood.

Tucker Carlson interviews pro choice advocate Monica Klein (available on youtube). My observation at that time is that I've never seen a professional spokesperson in such a complete panic. He asks for her thoughts on the governor's statement. Instead of giving any kind of answer, she just starts going on a tirade about Roe vWade, women's bodies, ICE breaking up families.... totally off subject. He calmly asks her again to comment on the governor's statement. She goes off the wall again.

By the next morning this blows up, and even Planned Parenthood is calling for his resignation. Dominates the headlines.

I suspect that the optics of the bill were going really bad really fast, and my theory is that someone on the pro-choice side leaked the images... they had to sacrifice him.

#2.3 jay (Link) on 2019-02-04 12:41 (Reply)

jay: He publicly advocates for the abortion bill, admitting that it could involve euthanizing an otherwise live birth.

That is incorrect. In context, he was referring to a non-viable baby. The question was whether to abort the baby just before birth. His answer was that the baby would be delivered, then the family in consultations with their doctor could then decide a course of action, which could include allowing natural death.

QUOTE:

When we talk about third-trimester abortions, it’s done in cases where there may be severe deformities. There may be a fetus that’s non-viable.

If a mother is in labor, I can tell you exactly what would happen. The infant would be delivered. The infant would be kept comfortable. The infant would be resuscitated if that’s what the mother and the family desired, and then a discussion would ensue between the physicians and the mother.

#2.3.1 Zachriel on 2019-02-04 12:57 (Reply)

Given how many times you lied about this issue and in how many threads, do you expect floating it this time to be different?

Why do you never answer the difficult questions, Gasbot? Is it because they all go to truth and integrity or because they also pertain to normal human principle and sound philosophy?

Seems to me if you had half the meat on the bone you think you do - showing up every weekday to heckle normal people like a brat - you'd have something under the hood.

#2.3.1.1 Meh on 2019-02-04 13:07 (Reply)

The "racist" accusation is BS. It is used and overused by the Democrats to scare their base and honestly it says a lot about how stupid and racist their base is. The ironic thing is not just that the Democrats founded the KKK or that it was all the Southern Democrats discriminating against blacks before 1965, or that none of the democrats voted for the changes in the 60's to bring equality. The ironic part is that by their very actions to keep their base in line is discriminatory to blacks and other minorities. The Democrats and their co-conspirators in Hollywood and the MSM are the racists.

#3 Anon on 2019-02-04 10:21 (Reply)

Anon: none of the democrats voted for the changes in the 60's to bring equality.

That is incorrect. The Civil Rights Act could not have passed without large Democratic support.

Support by Party
House Democrats 152-96
House Republicans 138-34
Senate Democrats 46-21
Senate Republicans 27-6

Rather, it was primarily Southerners, Democratic and Republican, who voted against the bill. In addition, the Civil Rights Act was opposed by Republican presidential candidate Goldwater, and supported by Democratic president Johnson, who signed the bill.

#3.1 Zachriel on 2019-02-04 10:35 (Reply)

That is a pretty misleading statement, by my count nine of the 34 nays, were Republicans from southern states. But really, for the logic that the Zachbot pretends to use, it’s close enough.

#3.1.1 B. Hammer on 2019-02-04 11:59 (Reply)

B. Hammer: That is a pretty misleading statement, by my count nine of the 34 nays, were Republicans from southern states.

The claim is that "none of the democrats voted for the changes in the 60's to bring equality", which is false. More Democrats voted for the Civil Rights Act than Republicans, and the bill was signed by a Democratic president. The skew was primarily regional. Few Southerners in Congress voted for the Civil Rights Act, but a few Southern Democrats did support the bill, including Johnson.

#3.1.1.1 Zachriel on 2019-02-04 12:10 (Reply)

In other words Gasbot admits to pedantry and trolling.

For an example of substance, how about you answer even one of the important and timely philosophical questions continually put to you about political oppression and, you know, the failed many Utpoias it produces?

Start by distinguishing between pedantic trolling and same. Are you programmed for it? No, seriously: Can you even comprehend the concept?

#3.1.1.1.1 Meh on 2019-02-04 12:59 (Reply)

https://spectator.org/before-northam-democrats-didnt-just-dress-up-as-klansmen/

#3.1.2 Zzzatemypuppy on 2019-02-04 12:05 (Reply)

Z: The Civil Rights Act could not have passed without large Democratic support.

That's a silly thing to say. It couldn't have passed without large support from Republicans, especially in the house, either. In the Senate, the Republican contingent was pretty small and without their votes, the Democrat filibuster by Robert Byrd would have succeeded. In the end, the percentage of Republicans supporting it was larger than that of the Democrats.

While we're on the subject, maybe you can list all the civil rights legislation that Democrats instituted? How about how many Democrats filibustered?

Z: In addition, the Civil Rights Act was opposed by Republican presidential candidate Goldwater, and supported by Democratic president Johnson, who signed the bill.

Goldwater was not opposed on racial grounds, he opposed the intrusion of government on business whereas Johnson supported for political reasons rather than racial civil rights reasons: "I'll have those n*****s voting Democrat for two-hundred years."

#3.1.3 mudbug on 2019-02-04 12:33 (Reply)

mudbug: It couldn't have passed without large support from Republicans, especially in the house, either.

Quite so!

mudbug: In the Senate, the Republican contingent was pretty small and without their votes, the Democrat filibuster by Robert Byrd would have succeeded.

Correct!

mudbug: In the end, the percentage of Republicans supporting it was larger than that of the Democrats.

Correctamundo!

mudbug: How about how many Democrats filibustered?

Pretty much all of them, including an attempt to filibuster the Civil Rights Act of 1964.

mudbug: Goldwater was not opposed on racial grounds, he opposed the intrusion of government on business ...

QUOTE:

On the urgent issue of civil rights, Senator Goldwater represented a philosophy that was morally indefensible and socially suicidal. While not himself a racist, Mr. Goldwater articulated a philosophy which gave aid and comfort to the racist. His candidacy and philosophy would serve as an umbrella under which extremists of all stripes would stand. In the light of these facts and because of my love for America, I had no alternative but to urge every Negro and white person of goodwill to vote against Mr. Goldwater and to withdraw support from any Republican candidate that did not publicly disassociate himself from Senator Goldwater and his philosophy. — Martin Luther King Jr.

Goldwater went on to win the deep South. After that, blacks shifted permanently to the Democratic Party, while southern whites began their migration to the Republican Party.

mudbug: whereas Johnson supported for political reasons rather than racial civil rights reasons: "I'll have those n*****s voting Democrat for two-hundred years."

There is no support for putting those words in Johnson's mouth. Nor is there reasonable doubt that he was a strong supporter of civil rights, believing that racism was holding back poor whites as well as blacks.

#3.1.3.1 Zachriel on 2019-02-04 12:49 (Reply)

Oops, Gasbot DOES clatter out a parry...with some period MLK partisan intentionalism about Goldwater. Nice pettifoggery, Speciousbot, although among real human people persons it defies both fact and reason.

#3.1.3.1.1 Meh on 2019-02-04 12:54 (Reply)

QUOTE:

Correctamundo!

It appears that at least some of the recently let go Buzzfeed and Huffington Post "journalists" are learning to code on the Gasbot Happy Days Vernacular Emulator 2600 module. Once they perfect that it's on to the Real Gone Kerouac-Inator 86. Good times!

#3.1.3.1.1.1 Bill Carson on 2019-02-04 14:17 (Reply)

"There is no support for putting those words in Johnson's mouth."

See page 33 of Ronald Kessler’s book, Inside the White House: The Hidden Lives of the Modern Presidents and the Secrets of the World’s Most Powerful Institution, published in 1995.

"Nor is there reasonable doubt that he was a strong supporter of civil rights"

Right. According to the left meaning snopes, LBJ reportedly referred to the Civil Rights Act of 1957 as the “n****r bill” in more than one private phone conversation with Senate colleagues. And he reportedly said upon appointing African-American judge Thurgood Marshall to the Supreme Court, “Son, when I appoint a n****r to the court, I want everyone to know he’s a n****r.”

Further, According to historian Doris Kearns Goodwin, LBJ said about the civil rights bill, "These Negroes, they’re getting pretty uppity these days and that’s a problem for us since they’ve got something now they never had before, the political pull to back up their uppityness. Now we’ve got to do something about this, we’ve got to give them a little something, just enough to quiet them down, not enough to make a difference."

#3.1.3.1.2 Hank_M on 2019-02-04 13:11 (Reply)

Hank_M: See page 33 of Ronald Kessler’s book, Inside the White House: The Hidden Lives of the Modern Presidents and the Secrets of the World’s Most Powerful Institution, published in 1995.

Yes, a single biased source 30 years after the fact, so is considered poorly supported.

Hank_M: According to the left meaning snopes, LBJ reportedly referred to the Civil Rights Act of 1957 as the “n****r bill” in more than one private phone conversation with Senate colleagues...

That's well-supported. There's no doubt that Johnson was a racist. So was Lincoln. That doesn't mean Johnson didn't genuinely support civil rights, just as Lincoln supported emancipation. Even though Lincoln had expressed the opinion that blacks weren't equal to the white man (he may have modified his views somewhat over time), he believed they should be free to determine their own destiny. It's clear that Johnson paid a political price for pushing civil rights, but knew it was a festering sore on the American politic that had to be addressed.

#3.1.3.1.2.1 Zachriel on 2019-02-04 13:22 (Reply)

Be it "moving the goalpost", strawmen or red herrings, the kiddiez' arguments are nothing but logical fallacies and that's why they are so easy to defeat.

#3.1.3.1.2.1.1 Zzzatemypuppy on 2019-02-04 13:30 (Reply)

Yeah, no kidding. Although you have to admit once set in motion machinery is pretty good at spinning for a long time. At least this one is.

Now it's divining the moral wills of historical characters in order to support its previous malarkey - MLK good; Goldwater bad; Johnson justified; Lincoln questionable; Gasbot jeenyus. They said progressive postmodernism couldn't find the ass of truth both both hands and they weren't kidding.

Actually, I made that last part up but you get the idea.

#3.1.3.1.2.1.1.1 Meh on 2019-02-04 13:48 (Reply)

Normal person: "Johnson said n....r."

zachriel: "No. No he did not."

Normal person: "Even left-wing Snopes.com says he did."

zachriel: "Yes, well, um, you see, obviously, he, umm... well Lincoln probably did that too."

Normal person: "Wouldn't it be easier to simply tell the truth?"

zachriel: "What? And lose on the interwebz?!?!?"

#3.1.3.1.2.1.1.2 Rusty on 2019-02-04 13:55 (Reply)

It takes a village Gasbot to fabricate a "Whatabout" involving Abraham Lincoln. Just %$#@ing astounding. Cake taken.

#3.1.3.1.2.1.1.2.1 Bill Carson on 2019-02-04 14:05 (Reply)

Bill Carson: fabricate a "Whatabout" involving Abraham Lincoln.

The claim is that because Johnson was a racist, he couldn't support civil rights legislation on its merits. We pointed to a counterexample to this generalization.

#3.1.3.1.2.1.1.2.1.1 Zachriel on 2019-02-04 15:48 (Reply)

QUOTE:

The claim is that because Johnson was a racist, he couldn't support civil rights legislation on its merits.

In other words, Johnson feigned concern for blacks in a manner (and to his and his party's enormous political benefit) that makes you green with envy. Correctamundo!

#3.1.3.1.2.1.1.2.1.1.1 Bill Carson on 2019-02-04 16:01 (Reply)

Bill Carson: In other words, Johnson feigned concern for blacks

There is ample evidence that Johnson did more than "feign concern", but used considerable political capital to ensure passage of civil rights legislation.

#3.1.3.1.2.1.1.2.1.1.1.1 Zachriel on 2019-02-04 16:04 (Reply)

I have to agree with you: I'll have those n*****s voting Democrat for two-hundred years." is a hell of a lot more than merely feigning concern!

#3.1.3.1.2.1.1.2.1.1.1.1.1 Bill Carson on 2019-02-04 16:17 (Reply)

Just got a text from George Orwell saying, "If anybody can make "generalization" and "Whatabout" synonymous, it's these Zachriel chaps!"

#3.1.3.1.2.1.1.2.1.1.2 Bill Carson on 2019-02-04 16:12 (Reply)

What other historical nuggets are Zachriel gunna spring on us next?

MLK: Double Secret Grand Kleagle.
Andy Warhol: Closet Homophobe.
Mahatma Ghandi: NRA-Loving Time-Traveler.

#3.1.3.1.2.1.1.2.2 Bill Carson on 2019-02-04 14:37 (Reply)

You like MLK's take on Goldwater's character better, right Gasbot? Is that what you call an iron-clad reference, Gasbot?

Why is reason so alien to you, Gasbot? Is it because of your almighty bias, Gasbot?

Why, it appears I've plumb used up my Pertinent Unanswered Questions for Monday, Gasbot. Will you ever address a PUQ, Gasbot, or is reason generally an exercise in futility for mechanized pedants such as yourself?

#3.1.3.1.2.1.2 Meh on 2019-02-04 13:41 (Reply)

Z: There's no doubt that Johnson was a racist.

I'd say goes without saying.

Z: It's clear that Johnson paid a political price for pushing civil rights, ...

I wouldn't say it was clear that Johnson paid a political price for pushing civil rights. He paid a price for his Vietnam policy but I'm not aware of any political price he paid for the '64 CRA.

Z: ... but knew it was a festering sore on the American politic that had to be addressed.

So you're saying a racist recognized that what the racist policies the Democrats had been promoting for the previous hundred years was a "festering sore?" You're kidding, right? That's just too funny!!!

#3.1.3.1.2.1.3 mudbug on 2019-02-04 15:41 (Reply)

mudbug: I'd say goes without saying.

It's worth saying.

mudbug: He paid a price for his Vietnam policy but I'm not aware of any political price he paid for the '64 CRA.

Democrats gained the black vote, but lost white southerners. In terms of winning elections, it wasn't an even trade. There's no state where blacks constitute a majority.

mudbug: So you're saying a racist recognized that what the racist policies the Democrats had been promoting for the previous hundred years was a "festering sore?"

That's right. Democrats had long been an alliance of labor, liberals, and southern whites. The fracturing of the Democratic Party began with Truman when he integrated the military. By the 1960s, the Democratic Party was being pulled apart over the issue of race. With the battle within the Democratic Party over the Civil Rights Act of 1964, the die had been cast, with the forces of civil rights winning out.

#3.1.3.1.2.1.3.1 Zachriel on 2019-02-04 15:56 (Reply)

A racist, by definition, would not consider racist policies to be a "festering sore."

#3.1.3.1.2.1.3.1.1 mudbug on 2019-02-04 16:56 (Reply)

mudbug: A racist, by definition, would not consider racist policies to be a "festering sore."

QUOTE:

I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races … I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of Negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races from living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be a position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race. — Abraham Lincoln

Yet, Lincoln considered slavery to be a festering sore on the Republic.

#3.1.3.1.2.1.3.1.1.1 Zachriel on 2019-02-04 17:21 (Reply)

You don't know what Lincoln felt that led to the Civil War. You're just mining quotes and making assertions.

#3.1.3.1.2.1.3.1.1.1.1 Meh on 2019-02-04 19:17 (Reply)

Boom! Nice work. Gasbot's out for the count!

(Not a figure of speech - Gasbot never parries when running is wiser. "Wise" in the relative sense, naturally.)

#3.1.3.2 Meh on 2019-02-04 12:49 (Reply)

13th amendment vote 100% Republican 23% Democrat
14th amendment vote 94% Republican 0% Democrat
15th amendment vote 100% Republican 0% Democrat

#3.1.4 Anon on 2019-02-04 13:01 (Reply)

Anon: 13th amendment vote 100% Republican 23% Democrat
14th amendment vote 94% Republican 0% Democrat
15th amendment vote 100% Republican 0% Democrat

Heh. So you made mention of 1965, but when saying "the 60s" you were really referring to the 1860s?

As you note, there was some Democratic support for the 13th Amendment, but none for the 14th or 15th Amendments. No doubt it was the 'Radical Republicans' that were the driving force for the Civil War Amendments. Of course, by the 1960s, the situation was quite different, and a majority of Democrats, as well as a majority of Republicans, supported the Civil Rights Act of 1964.

#3.1.4.1 Zachriel on 2019-02-04 13:10 (Reply)

QUOTE:

Trump Delivers For Workers … After Years Of Empty Obama Promises

QUOTE:

304,000 gain in jobs {in January}

Net change in jobs

Year, average per month
2014 250.5
2015 227.4
2016 193.2
2017 179.4
2018 222.8

QUOTE:

those without jobs and not looking — shrank by 647,000 over the past 12 months.

True, but at this point only represents a small fluctuation since the downward trend stabilized in early 2016.

#4 Zachriel on 2019-02-04 10:26 (Reply)

QUOTE:

Trump Delivers For Workers … After Years Of Empty Obama Promises

Obama certainly got Hillary a job. Well, if you consider hawking a shitty book at Costco when not stumbling around the woods drunk a "job"!

#4.1 Bill Carson on 2019-02-04 11:37 (Reply)

Z: Year, average per month (average monthly unemployment rate) [average monthly labor force participation rate]
2014 250.5 (6.2) [62.9]
2015 227.4 (5.3) [62.7]
2016 193.2 (4.9) [62.8]
2017 179.4 (4.4) [62.9]
2018 222.8 (3.9) [62.9]

Looks like he's reversed a trend. While the unemployment rate continued to fall and the the labor force participation rate increased. Pretty impressive.

#4.2 mudbug on 2019-02-04 13:19 (Reply)

mudbug: Looks like he's reversed a trend.

In 2009, when Obama took office, the average was -421 thousand per month.

mudbug: While the unemployment rate continued to fall and the the labor force participation rate increased.

So the trend in unemployment had the same sign, while from your own figures, labor force participation began to increase in 2016 — before Trump took office.

#4.2.1 Zachriel on 2019-02-04 13:28 (Reply)

I thought I was pretty clear. The average change in the number of jobs produced was falling till 2017 when Trump's economy started taking hold. The unemployment rate is not significant without also looking at the labor force participation rate. So if there were a declining unemployment rate but the participation rate was declining - people were "losing hope" and quit looking for a job. Thus it would be good news if the unemployment rate rose but the participation rate rose also. That would be expected scenario but in our case, the unemployment rate has continued to fall while the participation rate rises. That shows a lot of strength in the labor market that hasn't been evident in the recent past (at least in the years you highlighted).

#4.2.1.1 mudbug on 2019-02-04 14:26 (Reply)

You'll have to forgive young Gasbot for thinking that Inauguration Day is when either seas of racists are parted, oceans recede, and economies are miracled to infinity and beyond, or activated sleeper Nazis converge upon DC Waffle Houses, sex becomes both tabooed and bawdily celebrated by orange flyover prudes in trucks, and money ceases to exist. It all depends on the letter after the name.

Young Gasbot has trouble with linear logic and despite appearances, the facts logic draws from. To young Gasbot "factuality" is a nice carbonated beverage invented by Google for hordes of paid bots to slake their thirsts while enlightening rightist enclaves and pressing the once-looming darkness back into the maw of Hell itself or something.

#4.2.1.1.1 Meh on 2019-02-04 15:33 (Reply)

You and Rusty have been alternating back and forth between Affirmed and Alydar throughout this thread, Meh!

But beware: Sooner or later Zachriel's going to come roaring back to set us rubes straight on the differences between fascism and communism! It'll be the "factuality" talking!

#4.2.1.1.1.1 Bill Carson on 2019-02-04 15:54 (Reply)

And what time is it, Bill Carson? That's right; it's time fooorrrr Correct the Gasbot!

See that post below this one? Yup, it's young Gasbot revising - what was it? - oh yeah, factuality yet again despite being corrected* how many times, Bill Carson?

Thaaat's right again, Bill! FIFTEEN HUNDRED THOUSAND TIMES!

So let's play! https://static.seekingalpha.com/uploads/2017/10/26/saupload_Fed-Balance-Sheet-Reduction-Plan-102517.png

And that's how simple it is to play what, Bill? Yup! It's Correct the Gasbot!

*containsfactualityandreason. forrealhumanpeoplepersonsonly. thispostbroughttoyoubymonetarypolicyandthestockmarket. symptomsmayincludedepressionsandhardlandings. useonlyunderatruthfulpersonssupervision.

#4.2.1.1.1.1.1 A Mark Truthman-Bill Goodson Production on 2019-02-04 16:34 (Reply)

To steal shamelessly from 'Blazing Saddles', that community-organizer and his friends could quantitative ease prettier than a $20 whore!

#4.2.1.1.1.1.1.1 Bill Carson on 2019-02-04 16:50 (Reply)

QUOTE:

symptomsmayincludedepressionsandhardlandings

Yeah - who's going to be left standing once the music stops?

#4.2.1.1.1.1.1.2 Bill Carson on 2019-02-04 16:58 (Reply)

mudbug: The average change in the number of jobs produced was falling till 2017 when Trump's economy started taking hold.

Please note, from your figures for 2015-2016, that the participation rate increased while unemployment continued to drop. Apparently "Trump's economy" began a year before he took office.

Rather, Looking at the trend lines, it seems to be a continuation of the same trend that began in 2009, with tightening of the labor market (with some fluctuations) as the expansion continues.

#4.2.1.1.2 Zachriel on 2019-02-04 16:02 (Reply)

Has anyone seen an official statement from the Chicago PD including a timeline for the Smollett attack? Given the subzero weather (with wind chill), this story requires a high suspension of disbelief even as a mundane street mugging.
The MAGA element seems like an add-on.

from the Chicagoboyz blog:As it stands now, that area at night, despite being full of luxury apartments, expensive retail outlets, and prime office space has become a magnet for crime and theft. Not surprising. The crooks go where the money is. Especially now that the cops fear that whenever they try to arrest anyone it will become a federal case.

Now, it’s conceivable that he was mugged by some of the homeless rats that infest Lower Water Street, Lower Wacker Drive, etc. Many of them are seriously insane and some of them yell racist insults at blacks or whites–I’ve witnessed it.

Smollett neighbor: “I believe him…there are lots of robberies down there” …
“I have used the Lower Water entrance a lot,” the resident said. “Lots of robberies down there.”
“It’s creepy even during the daytime and there are homeless people, creepy looking people down there on a regular basis.”

#5 Exasperated on 2019-02-04 10:36 (Reply)

I like the fact that he managed to save his Subway sandwich after being attacked, beaten, lynched, and doused with chemicals.

Dammit, he paid $6.95 for that footlong!

#5.1 Rusty on 2019-02-04 11:22 (Reply)

Unsung thread winner!

#5.1.1 Bill Carson on 2019-02-04 14:20 (Reply)

re Washington D.C. Now Has an ‘Inspector’ to Enforce the Ban on Plastic Straws

Because all of DC's other municipal problems have been solved and they are flush with money, so why not?

Seriously, I wonder if this job and that of the department he works for are all patronage jobs? For all intents and purposes they aren't doing anything but consuming salaries and benefits.

#6 feeblemind on 2019-02-04 11:11 (Reply)

Part patronage job, part opportunity to say "Nice business, wouldn't want to see anything happen to it."

#6.1 Texan99 on 2019-02-04 12:24 (Reply)

Very true, Texan99. There is that as well.

#6.1.1 feeblemind on 2019-02-04 12:32 (Reply)

I can envision the job now, go to all the restaurants you can make in a day, order whatever you want on the government's dime, to see if you can get a horrible plastic straw from them. This could be the best job ever.

#6.2 mary on 2019-02-04 12:32 (Reply)

Did you catch this in the mushroom story?
“Enough here to kill an entire Catholic school.” What on Earth is wrong with these people???

#7 Talnik on 2019-02-04 13:37 (Reply)

You expected something better, from Atlantic writers? All lefties want you mariginalized if you think for yourself. Failing marginalization, they will incarcerate you until you renounce your bad think. And finally, if incarceration fails, they will kill you. Thier grate joy is to kill you before you are born, that way they don’t have to deal with you at all.

#7.1 B. Hammer on 2019-02-04 14:14 (Reply)

"It's clear that Johnson paid a political price for pushing civil rights, but knew it was a festering sore on the American politic that had to be addressed."

Right. The man who consistently and repeatedly voted against legislation to protect black Americans from lynching, the man that opposed every civil rights proposal considered in his first 20 years as lawmaker, the man who referred to his own civil rights act as giving "uppity blacks" "a little something, just enough to quiet them down, not enough to make a difference." you think genuinely supported civil rights.

Give it up Lee.

#8 Hank_M on 2019-02-04 14:00 (Reply)

marijuana
https://imprimis.hillsdale.edu/marijuana-mental-illness-violence/

#9 OneGuy on 2019-02-04 23:57 (Reply)

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