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Friday, June 15. 2018

University of Chicago eliminates SAT/ACT requirement


Story here. We now understand that the SAT turned out to be basically a proxy for IQ.  It makes sense to me for schools to be interested in IQ.  Of course, there is far more to what a person might have to offer than IQ, but I think they ought to know that when making distinctions between applicants. Especially at a school like Chicago, which, unlike most of higher ed, requires that a graduate actually ends up knowing a lot of basic things which are not easy to learn.


I am just talking about Liberal Arts higher ed, of course. 

Posted by The Barrister in Education at 14:42 | Comments (9) | Trackbacks (0)

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If I recall correctly, years ago the University of Texas required a 650 math sat to be admitted to the college of engineering. They discovered that this requirement had an adverse impact on women and minorities so it was eliminated. To the administrations surprise there was no big increase in women and minority engineers. The reason of course is that the math sat is simply an indication you can do math. Engineers use lots of math, so if you aren't a pretty good mathematician you aren't going to last long in engineering school. I went to a school that didn't have a math sat requirement, but you had to pass the two semester freshman calculus course to be admitted to engineering school. So many engineering courses used calculus that if you couldn't do calculus you wouldn't pass the course.
#1 Ray on 2018-06-15 15:49 (Reply)
Sorry Barrister. I do appreciate your life's work and the many efforts you make to keep academia at some finer level. HOWEVER, I can't help but feel that if F.I.R.E had stepped in and helped us back in 2000 to battle academic fraud we would not be at this place today. That university has actually been forced to close down, or conduct classes without any incoming tuition monies. It is a disaster and a fraud and still you will not step in to finish it off. You might be interested to know that while your group would not step in to help battle for free speech/whistlblower protection against that particular university there was a group of former alumnus (graduates of a failed law school) formed a group that is still in existence today. It is called the Government Accountability Project. They must make a lot of money investigating evil doers because they pay very high rent in DC. This collection of misfits from a failed university law school were the individuals who came into WA State and re-wrote the whistleblower law so that it could not be used against any academic institution! You guys at F.I.R.E shoulda been there! My experience has taught me that the tribal ties are stronger than any loyalty to the law. When I recall all the very nice gentlemen in academia, who did not have the courage to confront the oncoming tide when there was still a chance to correct some of that evil, I become nauseous. If F.I.R.E would like to step in now you might help us recover some of our lost income--be happy to share it with you! You know how to find me
#2 faculty wife on 2018-06-15 15:53 (Reply)
Who in the hell is BARRISTER?
#2.1 Sven Svenson on 2018-06-16 12:26 (Reply)
Coming from the University of Chicago, this is a game changer. I only wish I knew in which direction! Without the SAT, it’s not clear to me how they are going to screen out applicants. I wonder if the personal essay responses will be more heavily weighted. Anyway, for those kids above the threshold, I assume that they will continue to use the same methodology to make fine distinctions among them.
#3 Gpc31 on 2018-06-15 15:55 (Reply)
Which direction?

It will allow Chicago to do what others are doing:

Let in a greater portion of rich kids who aren't good students, along w/ their favorite "underprivileged" applicants.

It will also go far in allowing these people to use this credential to further undermine W. Civ, as it will take decades before recognizing that the degree means far less than it used to.
#3.1 DrTorch on 2018-06-15 18:23 (Reply)
Correction:

I need to clarify that I was not talking about U Chicago in my last entry. Rather I was speaking about America's most infamously liberal university that has since been closed down. Too bad 150 year old liberal arts institution was taken over in 1960's by a group often referred to as "red diaper Jewish community". That group ran the school into political correct destruction.
#4 faculty wife on 2018-06-15 16:53 (Reply)
How soon until they remove the ability to read as a requirement?
#5 Riick on 2018-06-15 16:55 (Reply)
Kareem Abdul Jabar and Warren Beatty are not exactly geniuses. Their "success" with women was more related to that fact that there are female fans for that kind of fame that consider it a feather in their cap to sleep with these men. These is very different from what Mr Peterson is implying. A significant difference. If there weren't literally tens of thousands of women who wanted to sleep with rock stars just so they could elevate themselves in their own eyes and the eyes of their friends these men, who would still have all the same attributes would have no better success with women than anyone of similar age and status and who wasn't famous.
#6 Anon on 2018-06-15 17:59 (Reply)
Egad, universities gave up their intent long time ago. They will underwrite any studies that has a YUGE backer and abuse intelligence to reach whatever ends necessary to attract more $$$. IQ? That's a detriment. They don't want anyone smarter than their average professor.

Hahvad Corp. leads the way. Escalating tuition--> escalating student debt--> numbed down graduates -->serfdom. The comments on Harvard start about 27:00 but the entire interview is worth your time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqFzFQRHe9U
#7 jma on 2018-06-17 07:50 (Reply)

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