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Wednesday, December 14. 2016
Is retirement a good idea? Would partial-retirement be a better idea for those who want it? And what about age of retirement? If "70 is the new 50", what then? Some people end up retired for as many years as they worked, and that seems crazy, a waste of time, skill, talent, and experience, not to mention taxpayer pension costs. Some have no choice, and that is a loss for everybody. Everybody has a need to contribute to society in a useful way as long as they are able. Wise greybeards are always needed even in the more physical trades.
In my experience, many who retire early get a bit lost, aimless, and regress into purposelessness and hedonism. Free choice if you can afford it, so it's fine but...what? You're supposed to want to golf all day? It has become a cultural meme, a theme, a meaningless theme.
Trump is 70 going on 50 and works harder and is far more energetic than I am at a much younger age. At his age, he is required to take Social Security whether he wants it or not! How dumb is that? On the job 16 hrs/day. He is the type that never retires and will always find productive outlets for his energy. Wilbur Ross at Commerce is 79, for heaven's sake. Indeed, they are a credit to their age cohort and good examples for everybody.
Posted by The Barrister in The Culture, "Culture," Pop Culture and Recreation at 15:10 | Comments (14) | Trackbacks (0)
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I "retire" at the end of this month. I will continue to work part-time at my human services job where I am useful to both agency and humanity. How long? Don't know. I have neglected much of the house and fixing that up will take time, but not years.
Because I was a smoker for years, and have some chronic drags on health I don't expect the same number of years as average, but I experience little difficulty and am making a actuarial statement, not a prediction.
I come therefore to the same questions I have been answering all my years. The question is not "what is retirement for?" but "what is life for?" The first question is not clearly answerable without the second.
Ah, retirement includes intimations of decline and death. That's a problem. That's depression.
Fight it, pal!
You seem to equate "productivity" with employment or, at the very least, professional occupation.
I don't see it that way. I am producing whatever I wish to produce and the pace I chose to produce it.
If there is nothing you'd rather do than barristering, by all means do that until you drop. Not all of us wish to continue doing forever, however, whatever it was we did with most of our waking time for so many years. We have other things we'd just as soon do, thank you very much.
Some people contribute to the world just because that's the kind of people they are. My mother never worked outside the home but she has always volunteered her time in so many ways, including taking care of the elderly in her community, visiting them and looking after them just out of compassion.
65 seems kind of young to retire. People are just reaching their wisdom years, and the company lets them go?
Personally, I always have a million projects going, and hope to be productive for a long time.
My aunt finally was retired at age 90 due to mobility issues. She worked for a company with many offices across the state, and towards the end of her career, her job was to spend time at each office and work out whatever problems they were having. The owner trusted her experience and judgment. Younger people don't have the same perspective.
We've always been involved in our community, though in the latter years it has been informally (remember the years when we always watched out for a nonagenarian across the alley). Now, are more involved with grandbrats, but still keeping an eye out for our neighbours. Someone's away - we'll keep an outlook. That's how it is. And should - down the years - we need keeping an eye on, we're hoping the then neighbours, whoever they are, will be there for us.
When I was in the Air Force, I learned the Double-Dipper's Mantra: "Retire early and retire often." Took a buyout retirement, and started a whole new career, for which I am now retirement-eligible. If I did pull the plug, I'd get cabin fever in a month, and go job-hunting.
Can't quite keep up with the Mrs, who's banking two retirement checks, took a "gap year," and is now back in the labor force, racking up points for another pension. She swears her next retirement will be her last (and mine). I'll believe it when I see it.
Depends on if your body can keep doing the same job. For example, if you work construction, will you really be able to do as good a job at 80 as you did at 30 or 40?
Even sitting at a desk all day, there are repetitive motion injuries that people get from doing that. Can you really keep going with arthritis in your hands, back problems, etc.? There's a point when you may not be able to put in 8 hours of work a day for 40 hours a week without pain or tiredness that you didn't have in your younger days.
If you want to work, great, but if you'd like to stop working, that's great, too. Or maybe do something different that is more of a hobby that makes you a little bit of extra cash, but by no means is funding your lifestyle like a full-time job did back in the day.
I retired for a while and got back to work when I noticed that I was having my pre-dinner cocktail at 9 AM, and that it was the first of many.
1. Life forced me to choose between things that made money and things I felt drawn to do. With my kids almost out of the house I am looking for some way to start ramping up those things I always wanted to do.
2. Work for me has been largely in an office - with a long commute. That has translated into social isolation. There is a load of communal and cultural stuff I would like to do participate in, both in my suburban community and in the metro area I commute to.
I will have no problem filling "retirement" hours with things that I value more than what I do at work.
I retired from engineering at 55 with my goal of becoming a RN. At 57 i reached that goal. Now at 65, I work 35 hours week as an RN. It is very hard, but rewardable. I learned something in nursing. It is call Wolf's Law. It's very simple. If you don't use it then you lose it. If you not learning everyday then you are becoming more ignorant, if you are not getting stronger every day, then you are becoming weaker. It is best for one to have a purpose for any purpose is better than none. Stay active at any job, think outside that box, and exercise everyday. Golf is ok, but try that 10K run. I believe being active and just reading will delay death a decade or two. Love ya, hope to never see you in this life, but looking forward to the next. SgtPete, RN and still a PE. Off to bed now, them 12 shifts are a killer.
I like hearing about that Wolf's Law. It's true. You have to get out of your comfort zone if you want to live.
I look forward to a life of weaving straw hats, if choose, or burning tractor tires in the pasture, or whatever crosses my mind. I've engaged in wage labor since the age of six, hard work in the garden with an annually increasing cash crop until the age of 13, when I began working for my Uncle in his printing shop after school, on holidays, and every summer. In my spare time I mowed yards and helped my Dad with his enormous 1/2 acre hobby garden.
In short, aside from a combined two years in college, I've worked for all my life after the age of six. Pardon me, but at 55, I'm satisfied that I've done enough of this and look forward to doing what I want, on my time, at my choosing, for no purpose beyond my whim, very shortly.
I spent more than 30 years on the job, fantasizing about retirement, when I could do what I want. Thats restoring antique cars, my lifelong passion. I believe that has more real value than the jobs I had. Its definitely more rewarding. I put in more hours now than I ever did on the job and I love it. For the record, I have never owned a TV
I'm still working at 70, and I keep hoping I can afford to retire so that I can pursue more interesting and satisfying things. I used to love being a university professor but the current snowflake generation has removed most of the joy from that job.