We are a commune of inquiring, skeptical, politically centrist, capitalist, anglophile, traditionalist New England Yankee humans, humanoids, and animals with many interests beyond and above politics. Each of us has had a high-school education (or GED), but all had ADD so didn't pay attention very well, especially the dogs. Each one of us does "try my best to be just like I am," and none of us enjoys working for others, including for Maggie, from whom we receive neither a nickel nor a dime. Freedom from nags, cranks, government, do-gooders, control-freaks and idiots is all that we ask for.
We estimate that ... removing one disruptive peer from a classroom for one year would raise the present discounted value of classmates' future earnings by $100,000.
Removing disruptive students can make a difference, though I am not sure how much that difference can be quantified. I was a teacher in a classroom where disruptive students were removed to other settings. It became a lot easier to teach that class. FWIW, one of the students in that class had the second highest-year-to-year improvement for the entire 8th grade in the standardized state math test. I doubt that student could have settled down to learn had those disruptive students not been removed.
Going back to college. I retired at 55 after back surgery and went to Dartmouth for a masters in health policy. I enjoyed it. There was leftist bias in a few professors but only one was a jerk about it. I spent an interesting winter, as I live in California for the past 60 years. My kids came to visit at holidays. I had thoughts of another career measuring health care quality but discovered later than no one in health care is interested in quality. Except doctors, of course.
After I returned home, I took some computer Science courses at the local JC. They were excellent but I observed that, the full classroom the first week had emptied by the final. Only a few gray hairs left.
Community Colleges often have foreign students, who may be smart enough but have poor English. I'll bet they measure out differently from the American students who did not go immediately to 4-year schools.
As for disruptive students...maybe. There are lots of correlative but not necessarily causative factors to look at.
Assistant Village Idiot
No idea why, eh? I'm guessing their High Schools and teachers, and their own inability to recognize they weren't learning.
I read that 76 school in Alabama are completely failing. What was really interesting is they failed to note the demographics of the schools. I wonder what the percentage of white-black-hispanic is in these particular schools and if there's any correlation.
I find it hard to believe the basic subjects such as math and reading have become more complicated or difficult than they were 20-years ago. Unless somehow 2+2=4 and "The quick brown fox jumped over the lazy dog." have become too difficult for these students.
Since I have no experience with the American public school system, I would be curious to know.
Karl Horst (Germany)
Alabama has always been near the bottom in US education.
"I wonder what the percentage of white-black-hispanic is in these particular schools and if there's any correlation."
It is a question that a lot of people would like the answer to but it is not to be spoken of. It's ok to wonder but not allowed to be talked about aloud. It's not just Alabama.
Check this for some of the stupid stuff our educators do. APS spends more money per student than any other school system in Georgia and turns out an inferior product. The city is governed by blacks. Blacks control the police department. Blacks control the schools. The population is majority black. Do you see a pattern here? Hush, can't talk about it. It would be racist.