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Sunday, December 6. 2020Tipping and gratuities, repostedOur post on tipping the other day raised the issue. As Christmas season is quickly approaching, I reviewed in my mind all the people to whom I give gratuities (ie material Thank Yous) at Christmastime, and throughout the year. - our two garbagemen - $50 each before Christmas - horrible job, hard work, I believe that I am pretty much in the mainstream on this. I am missing a few on that list, can't remember them all. What do you do? .
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I do nothing. I am afraid of offending people who do NOT celebrate Christmas.
I have 6 sons who have all worked as caddies. The club has a no tipping policy, so the manager would say 'don't tip.' But none of the guys would be there if they didn't get tips. A golfer once asked one of the boys how much he should tip, my son answered, "well think of your server at a restaurant, who has several other tables while serving you. I serve only you for five hours, and carry the table on my shoulders."
$40 should be a minimum per round you give away your money to all those people??? Incredible You must be filthy rich. But out of your list, I dont have:
garbagemen carpet-cleaners hotel room staff porters at airports and hotels barber family lawyer food delivery guys, parking garage guys cabbies and limo drivers coffee shops bartenders club and golf club staff yard helpers or home repairmen You MUST be rich, or maybe you were before you went to all those places I don't tip because society says I have to. Alright, I mean I'll tip if somebody really deserves a tip. If they put forth the effort, I'll give them something extra. But I mean, this tipping automatically, it's for the birds. As far as I'm concerned they're just doing their job.
Mr. Pink was the first person I thought of when I saw this post.
Could be wrong, but I don't think you are in the mainstream. At least not down here in the South. I don't have a family lawyer, park my own car when we go out, no club or golf club, mow my own grass, fix my own stuff and when I can't I don't tip cause they get paid a wage to do that. I don't get delivery food except the odd pizza now and then and I tip the driver a buck. Carpet cleaners? They get paid a wage. Maids? Same thing. My accountant is my own computer and I don't buy fancy coffee. I tip servers depending on the service 15 to 20 percent.
I agree with bgarrett. You must be rich. Which is hard to figure since you are wasting a lot of money paying people who are already being paid. Not rich by any means. I would say "comfortable", as long as I go to work every day.
I am more than "comfortable" by my standards but I don't have nearly as many "servants" as you.
I tip very well. My question: Who the hell are you??? Services are relatively inexpensive here in South Texas, so some of us Texas thousandaires DO tip. Top of the list are the folks who keep the digs spic and span, so it's a crisp C-note to the cleaning lady, the pool guy, and the yard guy, every year for Xmas. (Ran into the pool guy after Xmas last year, buying $100 worth of steaks for a cookout, grinning from ear to ear.)
I'm pretty much with Bird Dog on the rest of the workies, with the exception of the guys who drive the robo-trash trucks, who morphed from dirty job to sweet gig a couple years back. Bastards alway leave a few scraps behind on my lawn. $5 for a $12 GI haircut is a bit rich. Anybody who wears a suit and makes more than I do owes ME a tip, so lawyers, doctors, accountants, and dentists can go fish. I only frequent a few eateries so if something happens and I forget to leave a tip, they know I'll make up for it the next time. They also know I make sure that good service is rewarded.
Someplace I don't patronize too often, I tip well if they've earned it and I usually keep enough $2 bills to leave on the table that I figure they'll remember me if I return. When I was traveling regularly to a job some 50 miles from home for an extended period of time, I'd drop the occasional buck or 2 in the jar at the Subway I visited in the early mornings, and at Xmas time I made an extra stop just to drop off a bottle of wine and 10 dollar gift card for the 2 girls that always worked that shift. Postman at Christmas time knocks on door with special delivery. Wife in see through negligee invites him in. There's a table laid out with an elaborate breakfast spread. When he finishes his meal she invites him into her boudoir. As he's leaving she hands him a dollar.
He: It's been very nice and it's not that I'm ungrateful but I am a little confused. She: Oh, I asked my husband what we should tip you for Christmas. He said f**k him, give him a buck. Breakfast was my idea. Likewise. Nearly all the job categories the Barrister tips are ones that I do myself or utilize rarely if at all, so the issue of tipping doesn't come up.
"I believe that I am pretty much in the mainstream on this."
And this is based on what research? When I am staying more than one night in the same hotel I leave a tip for the maid each day, under the pillow on the bed so that only the person who makes the bed can see it. By the end of a two-week stay in one hotel out west I was getting thank-you notes from the room staff (not the prepared notes asking for a tip, but hand-written notes thanking me).
Working in the telephone business I worked in all the major Boston hotels.
The concierge of one hotel mentioned to me that if asked about tipping the maid by a guest he always suggests leaving a handwritten note with at least the words "Thank You" on it. Occasionally a guest will forget to pick up their cash when leaving and accuse the staff of theft if it's gone. The note protects the maid. BTW. This was a "high-end" Hotel that serviced the upper crust. Hence the shitty behavior. Never heard the same from the staff at Motel Six. First, maybe someone here can advise. I am married to a daughter of a hair dresser and I know they should be tipped because they rent their space. My question is, do you tip the barber when he is the owner and only employee? My thought is No because he isn't renting a chair. He should charge the price he needs.
As for the rest, nothing wrong with being rich at all, in fact I admire and respect that badge of honor, but I don't think you are in the mainstream. I don't have or use most of your list. I've never been to a coffee shop and I avoid porters and valet as though they have ebola. I would never tip what I call a professional, ie. lawyer, doctor, engineer... They have earned the right to charge a lot and that is all I am going to pay. I fix\do everything myself on my house. And sending flowers at Christmas isn't a tip, it's something you do for people on your list. Based on your tipping protocol, you are a thoughtful and generous person. Relating to the previous tipping posts (not yours), 15% is the minimum tip at a restaurant even for bad service. It's part of the cost of eating out. If you don't want to pay it, then eat fast food. If it's bad service, leave your min. tip and talk to the manager/owner. If you stiff a waiter, you should never go back because waiters remember that shit. You remind me of my BIL and SIL who are upper middle class and live in New England.
FWIW - My list: garbagemen - unionized with pension - I pay 10k in property taxes a year - they're not getting a cent more from me mailman - unionized with pension and couldn't deliver the mail to the right address under threat of life carpet-cleaners - hardwood floors doctors - my primary has an obamacare bumper sticker on his car - enough said dentists - my dentist drives a porsche and I drive a 10 year old minivan - enough said restaurants - 15%, or 20% - ok, I agree - hotel room staff - I leave a tip at the end of my stay - my accountant - owns a jaguar and a beach house in Maryland... see note about 10 year old minivan.. plus he knows I can't afford to tip him - porters at airports and hotels - carry my own bags because I need to exercise and save money - family lawyer - I do need one of these... - food delivery guys, $5 - don't do take out, too fattening and expensive - parking garage guys - if I go to NYC I take the train - cabbies and limo drivers - if I'm taking the train I'm taking the subway - coffee shops - McDonald's does not allow tipping - they have the best coffee. - bartenders - can't afford to go out - we're still in a recession - club and golf club staff - don't golf - yard helpers - DIY - home repairmen - DIY Concur with all you say, except I have my own carpet shampoo'er for the bedroom carpets.
hehe; a guy who calls himself "The Barrister" thinks he is in the mainstream.
Thanks for the laugh! Bless your heart, Barrister. You are very generous to all those who serve you. But mainstream? I would wager that most of us in the middle class have taken quite a financial beating in the past few years. On occasion, perhaps monthly, when my husband and I have the chance to have a nice dinner out at our favorite restaurant, we are so grateful for the treat and the usually excellent service that we tip most generously, above the usual 20%.
The rest of your list? Either do not use or do it ourselves. If you believe that you are mainstream, then I am glad that your circle has not been so seriously impacted by the recession/depression. I hope you do not take it for granted. Mainstream is all relative, I guess.
DIY is great, if and when you can. I think stinginess with helpers is sinful. "I think stinginess with helpers is sinful." Though not a church-goer, I would agree with that. I wouldn't think of being stingy with "helpers."
Mainstream is having a bit of trouble recovering from multiple financial hits, as well as the significant inflation in food, fuel, and utilities. Having "helpers" is a luxury in today's America, hence all the references to DIY. We're working hard to replace what we lost in our retirement funds in 2008 (40%) due to the market crash. Raises don't come close to covering the increased costs. We take nothing from the government but lose more and more to it every year. My husband and I had to choose between continuing our charitable giving, or using outside help for the things we felt we couldn't do well. We chose the former and have taught ourselves to handle the latter. I am so glad that The Barrister can continue using "helpers" and generously tipping them. As I said, we tip our occasional food server quite generously and wouldn't go out to eat if we couldn't. I still question whether or not he is mainstream. Seems to me that, with the middle-class losing so much of its wealth recently, luxury and discretionary funds are scarce. No, mainstream is mainstream. Lifestyles are relative.
I've never made more than 40K/year, but I managed to pay cash for a rental property and hope to do that again soon, will pay off my home before I am forty, and have never made a car payment in my life. My mortgage is the only debt I've ever had. I have friends that make more than twice what I do and they claim to be broke. If I made their salaries I would already be retired. As for DIY, if you make more than the person you would hire to do the job AND you aren't interested in learning it, then it makes sense to hire someone. "I believe that I am pretty much in the mainstream on this. "
If your river is filled with lawyers, then, yes, you are mainstream. You're missing a few from your list?? Jeez.
Restaurants: 15-20%. If service is excellent, a couple of bucks extra. Barber: Haircut costs $17. I hand over a $20 and leave. Contractor/Handyman: I have worked with a guy for almost ten years who is great. He tells me his price and if I want to, I pay it. I have bought him lunch several times as a small way of thanking him. (We're talking Wendy's or the The Goffle Grill). Hotel Cleaning Staff: $20 at end of stay (once a year) Garbagemen: Nuthin'. I pay 16K a year in property taxes. Mailman: Nuthin'. For what? Delivering junk mail? No carpet cleaners, no lawyers, no fancy coffee barristas, no cabbies or limos and certainly no golf. No clue who my garbage men are. How on earth do you know? Our county contracts with a waste management company. For all I know, they are a different set of guys every week.
You don't mention cleaning lady. I give my one-a-week cleaning lady a day's pay as a Christmas bonus. - our two garbagemen - $50 each before Christmas - horrible job, hard work, ; Nowadays they use a machine that picks up the barrels that I push out and retrieve. And they treat those as if I've done something to their mothers. Before that they ran over my car and caused me a great deal of difficulty. They'll be retired with a pension while I'm still working. Nope, no tips.
- our mailman - $25 at Christmastime; Feel I should but don't - always forget, never know when a replacement is working, rarely home when he comes by. - our carpet-cleaners - $5-$10 to each guy when they come (I give it before the job, not after - it works well); don't have carpets, Better-Two-Thirds hates carpets. - our doctors and dentists - we send them all a Harry&David or fancy cheesecake each holiday season; no, can't even imagine why I would consider it - restaurants - 15%, or 20% if I mean to return; very generous with this especially for good service. Not big on going out for dinner unless traveling but I get very good service when we visit our special place. 20% minimum, sometimes gifts. - hotel room staff - leave a $20 for them on the table. It's a crappy and thankless job; Almost never. Put out the do not disturb sign; don't need them for a couple steenking nights. For the one week I spend where their services improve the quality of my experience, I tip them generously and they seem happy when I return, but this is an annual thing for nearly a decade now. - my accountant - a holiday bouquet; he gets enough for doing my taxes, don't have enough $$ to need him otherwise. - porters at airports and hotels - $5; very generous here. These guys have been getting $1 a bag since I was an infant. Minimum $2/bag and round up. For curbside checkin on the ski trip I go $4-5/bag - That stuff is heavy and awkward to handle and I want it getting where I need it (so far so good). $2-3/bag to the shuttle guys. - barber - $5 per haircut; $6 normally. I use a chain that sometimes discounts, then $7. And my cut can't be easier - 2 buzz [/i] - family lawyer - a holiday bouquet; don't have one (family lawyer that is). - food delivery guys, $5; can't remember the last time I used one. Appliance deliver guys, $10 ea. gets the install done nicely and some old crap carted away, but this is a rare event. - parking garage guys - $3-5 each time; [/i] parking garage, never crossed my mind. Valet services, $3-5 depending on the setup is about right.[/i] - cabbies and limo drivers - 15%, unless limo tip is included in the bill; 15-20%, whatever works out best to simplify payment. - coffee shops - I always leave them a buck or 50 cents. Spread the wealth! Drop the change in the cup if there is one, maybe a buck. Only use these at airports typically and the one I use most doesn't allow tipping. Same for cafeteria style. - bartenders - around 10-20% of the total; 10%+. - club and golf club staff - if you don't know what to do, the club managers will make suggestions; wouldn't belong to any club that would have me as a member. - yard helpers - once or twice a year I'll give them each a $20; I pay someone to take the leaves in the fall and spring - that particular job always screws up my back. He sends a bill, I pay it. No tip. - home repairmen - $10 per visit, or $20 for a big or difficult job; they give me a bill, I pay it. No tip. I have a friend that collects donations for the Pine Ridge Reservation for Christmas. She is good enough to use my donation to buy socks and boots for veterans at the reservation. As I've "been there, done that" I consider it a tip for doing a job that is even sh@#$ier than the job that the garbage man has had to do.
I get my haircuts from the same woman who cuts my wife's hair. She gets a $5 tip from me, every time, and I've never had to wait to get in her chair -- seems I have a standing appointment.
Restaurants - 15 to 20% for normal to great service - usually a minimum of $5 for dinner, $2 for lunch. An even dollar for less than normal service. Food delivery - $4 or $5 Hotel room staff - I only tip on extended stays and then $2 or $3 a day. Doctors and dentists - tip? That's funny. Attorney - I didn't tip the last attorney who did something for me but I paid him with a bottle of scotch. Yard helpers - the wife hasn't tipped me yet, so I'm also holding out on her. shoe shine guy - $3
haircut - $5 porter, valet - $1/bag driver from parking lot to airport - $1-2 (short trip and i carry my own bag) hotel room - on extended trip $10 otherwise I normally hang the 'DND' sign out and don't require fresh linens food delivery - rare, but a couple of bucks food service, bar - 15-20%, more for exceptional service bowling alley wait staff - $20 at Christmas and $20 at the end of the bowling season garbage men - new guys every month mail guy - lots of new guys, poor service generally coffee shop, donut place - round up to the next dollar; plus a dollar if not sufficient I agree, spread the wealth. I'm middle class but have found that sharing an extra dollar here or there is appreciated. I give $50 gift certificates from my favorite restaurant. It helps the restaurant and introduces it to new patrons.
Guess I am decidedly not main stream because I do not understand tipping people who are on salary. Certainly not people like Postal Service. It would never occur to me to tip an MD or Dentist, or a Barrister for that matter.
When I was flying for the airlines, no one tipped me. I did get a few tips when I was flying charter; but did not expect them. As many have noted, I don't use most of the services that The Barrister uses. I feel like I am generous with people who I know are working primarily for tips. I also realize, and resent to a small extent, that I am subsidizing the business that should be paying a reasonable wage. On the whole I think it has gotten out of hand, probably because of all of the magazine articles, and so forth, that originate from New York, where everyone has their hand out. How much do you tip your local politicians? I was expecting an update in light of the EOTWAWKI COVID phenomenon, at least as far we see its impact on the service industry.
Restaurants are having a very hard time of it - not so bad in Texas, and nearly everyone has morphed their business to handle a much bigger pick-up / curbside / delivery clientele. I feel for the businesses who were just starting up when the world changed. But for the counter-type coffee and sandwich shops where there is no service involved except handing your order over the counter: Do you tip? They all want it; they include it on the credit card transactions. Even the pet stores want you to give generously, toys for dogs. Even the supermarkets are doing it for food pantries or other charities. It feels good to share, feels good to help everyone along through the crisis, but at what point does one accept that the crisis is no longer new enough to qualify - there's a transition back to Normal, and is isn't necessarily done by declaring a New Normal. "our mailman - $25 at Christmastime" Technically, you're violating the law. Postal employees are only allowed to accept $20 per year in cash (no gift cards).
QUOTE: All postal employees, including carriers, must comply with the Standards of Ethical Conduct for Employees of the Executive Branch. Under these federal regulations, carriers are permitted to accept a gift worth $20 or less from a customer per occasion, such as Christmas. However, cash and cash equivalents, such as checks or gift cards that can be exchanged for cash, must never be accepted in any amount. Furthermore, no employee may accept more than $50 worth of gifts from any one customer in any one calendar year period. $5 minimum tip at restaurants $5 tip for the guy who pumps gas into my airplane wings (usually I do it myself) Occasional pizzas for the Air Traffic Controllers at my tower $20 for our trash guy $1 for my barber (I don't have much hair) I tip food delivery folks about $20 theses days. It used to be $5 but most of them are barely getting by. In my experience many of them are former wait people who lost their jobs. If I can drop $50 or $75 on takeout, I can afford a little generosity to the guy delivering it. I’m sitting on my fat ass watching TV while he’s busting his to feed his family.
My thinking is no doubt influenced by the fact that I was in similar circumstances many years ago. Oh yeah, while I'm virtue signalling, I took a bunch of pizzas to the DoT guys who patch the potholes in our roads. There's a group of people who NEVER get thanked for what they do.
Can see it now: Five guys stood around eating the pizza while ONE guy supervised another guy who worked filling the pothole!
Just like any usual DOT crew! I had a pizza delivered once perhaps 20-30 years ago. I haven't been in a bar for 30 years. What's a garage guy? I have never had yard work done except when I do it. I have never used a porter at the airport, do they still have them, my luggage is so small I can hide it under my jacket. I did take a cab ride about 8 years ago. Two divorces, two lawyers but that was some 30 years ago. I did go see my doctor finally after canceling my appointment a half dozen times but he finally told me ne wouldn't renew my blood thinner if I didn't see him. yeah, no clubs and golf clubs either. I do live a pretty boring life...
Garbage man (weekly): $100
Recycling (biweekly) $50 Bartender: no less than 20% Waiter/Waitress: same Tip your garbage man well and they will never complain about oversize loads. If I have extremely large loads, like for spring/fall cleaning, I tape an envelope with $20 to the garbage bin. Every year around Christmas I pick a few of my favorite bartenders/waiter/waitresses at my regular watering holes, stop in the joint for a couple beers when they are working, pay the bill and leave a $100 bill tip on the bar or table, wish them Merry Christmas and tell them to keep the change. I grew up poor and know what hard work is like. These people work hard, and many of them are really suffering financially right now due to the bogus Covid restrictions. My kids are grown and the wife and I are more than comfortable so I can afford this little token of appreciation. And yes, I get more than my share of free beers during the year, so I suppose it pays dividends. Karma. Very interesting, esp. the comments. I can see refusing to tip someone who is unionized and gets full benefits with a pension, but that does not cover everyone by along shot. As one whose work includes watching over properties for absentee owners who never know what steps the "workie" takes to keep their property safe and intact, and who never give tips, it is interesting to read all the justifications for not tipping. I don't buy most of them - it is straight up cheapness. To those who do tip - it is appreciated more then you realize, and when you don't tip someone who is doing a great job for you year after year, it is noticed.
In the spirit of Christmas I give $25 or so to each of several bloggers whom I especially enjoy or learn from.
All the rest get a tip when they provide a service, if that is the custom. Tip a professional such as a doctor, lawyer or dentist? You have got to be kidding! They set their rates, which are high enough. Never heard of anyone in the South doing this.
Wait staff of any kind I tip in accord with service. Don't golf. The rest? No. Can't tip Sanitation in NYC. They can lose there job and you get fined. I mean you can tip the guys but if you get busted you are screwed.
Makes no sense because you can tip the mailman. But with Sanitation they feel that people will put out commercial trash and tip the guy to take it. We tip the mail person (we never seem to get the same one around here). We take our plastic bags of garbage to the local collection center once a week so that saves us money (It's nice to have a truck).
We tip for services at restaurants etc. depending on how good the service is. Usually 20% unless they deserve more for great service or less if they were horrible. Any other tips are probably random. Oh my God. Don't you know that we're not supposed to give material thank-you's anymore? Elitist swindler. In the new order, we can only give virtual products. Like a picture of a cute girl avatar, who will talk to you from her avatar world. And a subscription to Google Play, so that your children can pretend to be soldiers, and kill people. Don't you know anything about Christmas?
We don't wait for the holidays. We pick up peoples tickets at eateries or have the waiter bring someone's ticket on the sly. At the grocery store, sometimes I buy for someone in front of me, sometimes I leave cash with checker to apply to shopper behind me. It's easy to help every day that we are out n about. We've been return gifted one time eating out. It's a nice surprise and easy to pass on!
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