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Tuesday, June 25. 2013
Ran across a post on ZeroHedge last Friday, about the emasculation of men in the US today. The post itself was not particularly enlightening, but the topic is rather interesting. It's a theme my father and I discuss somewhat frequently.
What does it mean to be a man? There's the Y chromosome, and some private parts. But we are different from women in other ways, and we are under attack, in my view. I suspect one of the reasons we're under attack is because many men were raised with minimal male influence over the last 50 years or so. Divorce may play a huge role in the current attack on male society. My father was not your typical 'guy's guy'. He didn't play a huge role in my upbringing until late in my teens, because my parents were divorced. His personal tastes are less Hemingway and more Fitzgerald (though he enjoys Hemingway in a literary sense). He is definitely a red-blooded American man. He does the lawn, can use a chain saw, and enjoys a good fire. He doesn't share too many of his emotions, except when it's really necessary. I was lucky, however, to have several uncles who stepped in immediately, and later a stepfather, to fill the vacuum of a male presence. Most of the younger men in my office could use a lesson or two on being more masculine, though.
I think it is fairly common for commercials, and TV in general, to exhibit men as outlandishly stupid beings. Men on TV are usually infantile, unable to think about anyone but themselves, engaging in moronic behaviors, if not generally portrayed as drooling neanderthals. The media has gone out of its way to diminish the male psyche. It's evident in many ways. Why are there "Women's Studies" programs at universities and no "Men's Studies"?
I also think many high-profile men today are effete snobs, starting with our president and Joe Biden.
I'm all for women's rights, by the way. So it's not like I'm opposed to women in the workplace, seeing them succeed or even earning a just wage. But I don't understand why, every day, I'm told I need to think, act, or behave more like a woman. Women and men are different, and those differences are positive things. We complement each other extremely well. I don't believe women are more capable or smarter than men. I've taken classes (on the recommendation of women) on "Emotional Intelligence". I was underwhelmed, but I can see why women view the concept of "emotional intelligence" as important. To me, the recommendations were really just another way of saying "Because you're a man, you're incomplete."
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The important thing is find some interesting male activity like mathematics and enjoy yourself.
You got that right. Clifford (geometric) algebra rules.
The present message in our society is that the only acceptable male is a homosexual. Masculine and responsible men have been ostracized.
For the counterpoint on society being comprised of lazy, immature men, Google the new book "Men on Strike" by Dr. Helen Smith, and the articles written about the book. The book does a good job explaining how modern American society has marginalized real men. Basically, the real men are now walking out on a feminized, emasculated America and its institutions.
This includes the feminization of men through fashion. Almost every week my husband will look at the men's clothing ads and ask me, "Could you imagine me wearing this?" He will point to the pastel sweaters with pastel plaid shirt underneath or the super skinny pants with two inches missing off the bottom or the low v-neck shirts. No 'regular' man in his right mind would wear the majority of the clothes advertised.
We both supposed that the fashion industry is targeting its clothes mainly at gay men. Because most 'regular' men would not be caught dead in some of the stuff Macy's and JC Penney was selling.
I came home with a V neck undershirt (nanotechnology that helps warm you on cold days - really works!) and my wife looked at me and asked why I bought it.
Thing is, I didn't even think twice about it being a V neck when I first bought it, I just saw the packaging that said "undershirt" and (being a man) grabbed what I needed. It never occurred to me I might be grabbing a package of V neck undershirts.
That said, it's an undershirt. So hardly anybody sees it, except my kids and wife. And they tell me I'm gay anyway. I'm OK hearing it from them. We give each other the business regularly.
Much like this:
Sorry to inject some estrogen here but I really don't know how young women today stand it. There's nothing sexually attractive about a feminized guy. Give me Gary Cooper not some pale pansy Twilight vampire boy-child wearing more lipstick than me.
One blustery March day my man and I popped into a coffee shop near a local university. I was cold and my man was getting me a hot beverage. He was wearing a black Carhartt overcoat and jeans. I watched as the bevy of metro-sexual males started to squawk and and fling poo amongst themselves in reaction to my man's presence. When he approached the table I was sitting at they scattered like iron filings in water when soap is touched to the surface. One was wearing a stupid knit Reggae cap (worse thing EVER for a man). After we left I told my man that we would have seen humans explode into pink mist if he had warn his Russian fur hat (it just wasn't cold enough for it - got to be minus negative out).
I'm sure you've heard the term but, up 'ere, 'they're' called "Metrosexuals" although I prefer "Mamas Boys" (that's what women I know call them).
I must have really missed a meeting. My dad taught me crew neck when you wear a suit, V-neck when you don't wear a tie, open collar.
I don't mean a v-neck undershirt. I'm talking about the low v-necks that show man-cleavage. Gross. And feminine.
I love the other woman with the comment about Carhartt's! Oh yeah! If you have a man who has an aversion to too many colors in his wardrobe, odd prints or pants with no useful pockets, that there is a REAL man!
Is the origin of manginas a chicken/egg paradox? What comes first then: infantilization, cocooning, risk aversion? Or, are they all part and parcel?
I don't know, guys. Is this increasing trend of viewing men as victims (which is something I'm starting to run across almost daily now) really part of a traditionally male mindset? It reminds me more of the arguments that feminists often make, about how the characteristics peculiar to women are automatically denigrated. There's certainly a tendency of each "team," so to speak, to try to get the other team to admit that it doesn't have a monopoly on the inherently terrific attributes.
But I don't think anyone felt feminists, when speaking about female characteristics that were actually being denigrated, were wrong. It's a question of how far they took their complaints.
Which is precisely why I stated that I think women and men complement each other, without either having any particular monopoly on a trait.
There are very few strong male characters on TV anymore. I agree with commenter Jim, above, who stated that the only acceptable male is a homosexual. I believe that is possibly quite true, or at least an effete heterosexual.
But I agree with your statement. We shouldn't view ourselves as victims, we should just seek to keep what is ours and complain as little as possible.
You must have been reading different materials! Feminists encountered and still encounter blank, uncomprehending hostility when they try to argue that ordinary human customs and assumptions that men take for granted are "hostile to women." For every weak male you can find in a TV sitcom today, I can show you ten helpless idiot women from the fiction of a bygone era. It's just a changing style: stereotyping with a different victim.
Both men and women would do well to look at each other fairly, quit trying to demonize the characteristic traits of the other, and quit trying to vie for more-victimized-than-thou status.
Yes, I frequently hear that something or another is 'hostile' toward one group or another. Mostly it's BS.
I'm Irish and I hear demeaning Irish jokes frequently. I laugh, rather than make a claim of hostility toward the Irish (despite a long history of such hostility). I figure it's easier to laugh off stuff like that, and accept it for what it is. After all, most stereotypes have a smidgen of reality to back them up.
I didn't write this to make a claim of victimhood. I wrote it because it's true. While I will not deny that women have, frequently and mostly in the past, suffered from some demeaning characterizations, is there any reason to shift direction and point it towards men?
I agree with your comments. But I think it's important (and apparently a good number of people responding agree with me) to draw attention to an evolving trend.
Bringing down one group or gender does not raise up the other. Yet that is the kind of thing we see regularly in American society. If one group feels put upon, you try to diminish other groups to make yourself seem superior.
I'll be the first to admit I laugh at some of the comedies which have utilized male stereotypes, particularly more feminized versions, to comedic effect. However, in my day to day life, I have had HR people, executives, and a host of other coworkers who belittle many existing behaviors, which have proven successful over the years, as 'hostile' toward (name any group, but in this particular case women). In almost every case, when newer behaviors which are deemed 'fair' are implemented, a host of unintended consequences have flared up. Mainly because what is deemed 'fair' is anything but, or has left someone's particular "group" out.
We live our lives in offices walking on eggshells concerned with whether what we might say is going to 'offend' someone. As I tell my boys, always mind what you say and don't go out of your way to hurt people's feelings, but we all have the right to be offended.
The tough part is determining whether someone says something simply because they are trying to be offensive, or because what they are saying is apt and a generalized statement regarding a situation.
In my post, I pointed out that if you're amle and you're one of these emasculated beings, it's because you allowed it to happen. These men are not victims, but they have allowed themselves to be deluded by a host of society's inputs.
It also doesn't mean I have a particular problem with them, or that I wouldn't be civil, let alone downright friendly with them. I'm simply saying I am concerned about the state of manhood today.
I grew up hunting, hiking, camping, building bonfires, and going to the shooting range. I hung up one of my son's targets in my office, and people whispered about it as if I was some kind of monster. Because, you know, in an urban area anyone who likes guns is crazy. Even my wife said I should reconsider leaving it up. I left it, because I'm not going to let the bastards keep me down.
Men are under attack for the same exact reasons white people are under attack. The special interest groups that make up the left have controlled the media and the political correct power and used it to get "free stuff". What this requires is that some group is wrong and that wrong must be righted even if it takes forever. You have to convince the media to play the drumbeat and align all the politically correct special interest groups to support whatever drumbeat is being played and the politicians and the low information voters simply fall in line. Then you vote yourself free stuff and special rights.
I agree with most of the posts here. But it's important to not think of yourself as victims.
We're men. Fuck 'em.
Oh GOSH! Don't get me started on this one! I love a great American MAN! Daughters haven't been able to find any like that, but I am seeing young men, who are not the fathers of baby boys, starting to look around and say "what did they do to me?" and "How do I get back to where my dad was?" It's a start. First thing we have to do is make it a criminal act to give overly active little boys psychologies prescribed downers for some made up psycho disease.
BRAVO! Also, the educational system has been taken over by women whose duty, in life, is to castrate young men in the early grades. That's only a small portion of the process.
Luckily, here, I've 21 & 20 yr olds who are men's men. I'm blessed.