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Why Do Education Schools Have Such Low Standards?

At Minding the Campus, Why Do Education Schools Have Such Low Standards?

I have mixed feelings about the author's prescriptions, and doubts about "education" education in general. If schools of education are so worthwhile, why is it that expensive private schools avoid hiring their graduates?

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I think we were better off when elementary school teachers went to "Normal School" for two years, and high school teachers had to have a bachelor's degree in a subject. Once they established Departments of Education and you could get Masters' and PhD's in Education, then Departments of Education had to compete with the other Departments and try to make what came out of their departments as theoretical and classy as the emanations from, at least, Sociology and English Literature. Now too many people major in Education because it's an easy degree, and a job certificate.

#1 The Elephant's Child (Link) on 2013-02-01 16:27 (Reply)

Let's say, for argument's sake, that I have a couple of decades experience at two of the US universities with the largest Colleges of Education. I might be able to tell you, from personal experience, that in both cases the Ed students' GPA in their curriculum are about a half point above those of students in other curricula [perhaps not any "Studies" setting but that's another bull to be shot another day] and that their GPA in courses outside their curriculum is a half point below that of other students outside of their curricula. That is only anecdotal evidence, but we're talking literally tens of thousands of students over the past 20 tears.

Then I could also tell you that their ACT scores are more than a standard deviation below other students in their cohort. Well.

Yes, the evidence is that the average student who graduates from those two and gets a teaching license is quite a bit below average in those universities,and the universities are not that exclusive. To the contrary.

#2 JorgXMcKie on 2013-02-01 23:54 (Reply)

Were master’s degrees in the “arts or sciences” required for administrators (let’s hope that “arts” excludes “studies” programs), colleges, under the aegis of their education departments, would offer the educrat equivalent of “rocks for jocks” master’s degrees.

The hope for an honest third party to screen administrator candidates is fruitless.

#3 ErisGuy on 2013-02-02 07:48 (Reply)

That's because all anyone with average intelligence needs to teach elementary is a high school diploma. What, you say folks need a masters degree in educational theory to teach second grade. Hee hee. Funny. And yet thats where our school district is headed. Foolishness.

Our local community college has a computer and technology department. The chairman has a doctoral degree. In Education. And a masters and a bachelors. And a few credits here and there in some computer stuff. No computer degree at any level. She is a fairly competent administrator as administrative tasks go. Very responsible. Hard working.

Her whole full time staff is the same way. The real computer classess are taught by adjuncts. For almost no money. We teach just for the fun of it. The full time staff starting salary is the same as it is for elementary education. Go figure. Wonder why no full time staff have masters degrees in CS/MIS/EE? Wonder no more.

The foolishness has become endemic in the system and there is no way to root it out. Only a large dislocation/revolution can do it.

#4 Larry Geiger on 2013-02-04 09:53 (Reply)

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Why Do Education Schools Have Such Low Standards?