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It's sad to watch a mother mourn her son. It's sadder when she has no idea, apparently, how she led her son to his fate. This kid was breaking in a back window with a crowbar, but she thinks he probably was just visiting someone? She must have been averting her eyes from the ways he was getting into deadly trouble for a long time. How could he ever have counted on her as a parent with a reality check? Sad, sad, sad.
Can't blame the mother for irrationally wanting her son to be alive, but can't blame the guy, either. Unfortunately, criminals are usually stupid and don't learn from the lessons of others.
This kid's father wasn't mentioned, so he probably didn't have a father around to keep him legal. Since about 70% of black families don't have a father in the house, this will happen more and more frequently.
It's sad the kid was apparently heading down a dangerous path. It's sad to lose your son regardless of what he was doing. It's sad to kill another human almost regardless of what he was doing. Thankfully, I've never been to need to kill somebody, but I've heard that people who were undoubtedly defending themselves are still traumatized by having done it.
I wish the homeowner had waited for him to get into the house before taking such a permanent action.
I was amazed to find out several years ago that in North Carolina then, if you shot an intruder coming into your house, you were justified, but once he got in, you were not. I believe that has changed.
I agree that it was sad for all the reasons you mentioned. But if the kid had gotten inside he would be THAT MUCH closer to hurting the homeowner. Why take that chance? The minute you start to break into someone's house you have put yourself in danger of being killed...justifiably.
The 17 yr old would still be alive today (and still in trouble apparently) if he hadn't began breaking into that house.
I don't disagree with you. I've always thought if you want to be a robber, you should get good health insurance because you deserve whatever you get.
Having said that, I think the homeowner missed opportunities to take care of the situation without killing someone. He was apparently close enough to the window to think that the sound of loading a magazine and racking the slide would make the robber think twice and leave. That leads me to think he probably could have positioned himself such that he could see if he was armed as he crawled in the window and if he wasn't armed, he hold him at gunpoint with little risk. If he was armed, he could shoot then. Of course, all that is from the perspective of someone who was not there and who has never been in that situation.
The other thing that concerned me is that he didn't seem to give a warning.
We certainly don't know all the facts and they certainly could redound even more to the homeowner. Even if they didn't, I don't necessarily blame the homeowner. I'm not sure I would have done anything different. As I said, when you're in a dangerous business you have to be ready to deal with that danger.
If the homeowner had tried to do what you had suggested there is a chance the 17 year old football player would have been able to disarm him, then kill him with his own weapon. If you don't want to get shot while breaking into someones home, don't break into someones home. Once you start threatening someone the onus is no longer on the person being threatened to use restraint.
I agree with you if he was coming through a door or something that was easily navigated. From the look of the window, he would have had to crawl in. It would have taken time and while he was crawling he would be very vulnerable.
Look, I'm not saying the homeowner is at fault. The kid breaking in is clearly at fault. He was obviously where he shouldn't have been doing something he shouldn't have been doing and deserves whatever happens to him. From my easy chair I can wish things had happened differently. While I'm not confronted with the situation and only part of the facts, I can theorize what might have happened differently to produce a better result. From my easy chair, it would be just as easy to say give the what he deserves. I would hope that as a homeowner or defender, I would be able to act calmly and rationally keeping in mind that human lives are at stake. That would be the ideal. As I said, in reality, I'm not sure I wouldn't have done the same thing.
give the intruder a warning? Surely you jest, without knowing if said intruder is armed or not, giving them a warning lets them know you are there.If they're armed with a gun and you give them a warning the next and last thing you hear might be THEIR gun. The only warning they're getting from me, (superhuman hearing required) is the sound the sear spring in my gun makes when released just prior to the hammer hitting the firing pin.
This is all crap. The fact that the guy had no father figure is likely true. I grew up with folks who had none because he was killed in WWII. They didn't visit their girlfriends by breaking in with a crowbar. If this black kid had been shot by a white man Al and Jesse would be there already. If we had common sense castle doctrine would never have come into being. You should be able to defend your life or property and I have no sympathy for criminals. I'm just thankful he's out of the gene pool. I'm sick of all this psychobabble and PC crap. We need to look at what our founders did to know what we should do. We don't need modern day lawyers and leftist interpreting for us. If you don't know what is right or wrong by the time you're that old you shouldn't get any older.