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Thursday, June 10. 2010Who “Gets” Turkey? Interview With An ExpertWhat’s this Many, including in Washington, don’t “get” how a NATO nation, since WWI on a Western-oriented course (at least until 2002), could be so complicit in the IHH thugs upon the Marvi Marmara and so palsy with Iran, Syria and other despots challenging regional peace and the US. I turned to Gerald Robbins, the Turkish-speaking expert and Associate Scholar at
Robbins asks, “I wonder if the I asked Robbins to sketch out what With respect to Erdogan’s own political party, the AKP, it should come as no surprise that it – like any major political party, anywhere – is a “fractious, unwieldy coalition.” Robbins believes there are indications of “a major political split brewing within the AKP ranks.” Robbins points at one important indication, the criticism of
So, I asked, who are other players in Erdogan’s coalition?
And others?
What about the main opposition political party, the CHP?
What about the referendum in September, to place the judiciary under Erdogan control?
What about
Should the
(I read this earlier today and include it here as relevant. Daniel Pipes says there may still be a chance that
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NATO since WWI? You do recall that Turkey fought for the Axis during WWI and did damned all throughout WWII.
Never a friend, never an ally. NATO though wasn't it. Proved outstandingly friendly when the 4th ID tried to transit it enroute that other islamic scumbag Iraq. Bottomless pit of wants and needs and never did one single solitary thing to justify us giving her a dime. If you check the text, there's a comma between NATO nation and since WWI. Sorry if that confused.
UNfriendly, you mean, as Turkey refused in 2003 to let US troops transit to Iraq. ...never did one single solitary thing to justify us giving her a dime --beg to differ --it placed itself where it is on the map, in command of the Dardanelles.
If you draw and approve such maps;
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=3882 and then you request a complete division of well equipped elites to be deployed in the very same region , what you will get is not an approvall , but the middle finger itself. The modernizing Kemalists are urban and aging.
The Islamicists are younger and growing. This internal demographic shift - combined with Europe's hesitance in bringing Turkey into the West - is driving the rise of neo-Ottoman, Islamic Turkey. Mark Steyn nails it: The short version of Turkish demographics in the 20th century is that Rumelian Turkey - i.e., Western, European, secular, Kemalist Turkey - has been outbred by Anatolian Turkey - i.e., Eastern, rural, traditionalist, Islamic Turkey. Ataturk and most of his supporters were from Rumelia, and they imposed the modern Turkish republic on a reluctant Anatolia, where Ataturk's distinction between the state and Islam was never accepted. Now the Anatolians don't have to accept it. The swelling population has spilled out of its rural hinterland and into the once solidly Kemalist cities. Do you ever use the expression "Young Turks"?... The phrase comes from the original Young Turks, the youthful activists agitating for reform in the last decades of the Ottoman Empire. The very words acknowledge the link between political and demographic energy. Today, the Young Turks are old Turks: The heirs to the Kemalist reformers, who gave women the vote before Britain did, are a population in demographic decline. There will be fewer of them in every election. Today's Young Turks are men who think as Mr. Erdogan does. That doesn't mean Turkey is Iran or Waziristan or Saudi Arabia, but it does mean that the country's leadership is in favor of more or less conventional Islamic imperialism. As Mr. Erdogan's most famous sound bite puts it: "The mosques are our barracks, the domes our helmets, the minarets our bayonets and the faithful our soldiers." Link: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/jun/4/who-lost-turkey/ Unfortunately confusion is now my life. Spent way too many years over there. Learned that there really is no such thing as a progressive modern muslim man. The possibility that modern progressive muslim women exhist is open to debate. One can see them stabbed, hanged, stoned, shot, slashed to death etc.
Turkey is a wasteland of muslim believers. I would almost rather have the Frogs on my side than Turkey. 40 Days.... Curtis, my friend. I despair of ever meeting a "moderate muslim." Only the Liberals think there is such a thing. The grown-ups on the other side of the aisle realize that if a muslim tries to moderate the behavior of his fellow religionists, he is going against his 'instruction manual,' the Koran, and thus has become fair game for the rest of the muslim community to murder. It's in the Book. And all muslims must accept the Book as literally the path to Paradise.
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The New York Times’ headline could have been “Turkey’s Islamist Government Is Just Doing the U.S. A Favor, Wink, Wink” instead of “For Turkey, an Embrace of Iran Is a Matter of Building Bridges,” by Sabrina Tavernise. With the imprimatur “News Analysis”,
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Last June, Turkey expert Gerald Robbins answered questions about what’s happening in Turkey, in the wake of its support for the Marvi Marmara provocation. Robbins is the Turkish-speaking expert and Associate Scholar at Philadelphia’s Foreign Policy R
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Last June, Turkey expert Gerald Robbins answered questions about what’s happening in Turkey, in the wake of its support for the Marvi Marmara provocation. Robbins is the Turkish-speaking expert and Associate Scholar at Philadelphia’s Foreign Policy R
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Last June, Turkey expert Gerald Robbins answered questions about what’s happening in Turkey, in the wake of its support for the Marvi Marmara provocation. Robbins is the Turkish-speaking expert and Associate Scholar at Philadelphia’s Foreign Policy R
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Last June, Turkey expert Gerald Robbins answered questions about what’s happening in Turkey, in the wake of its support for the Marvi Marmara provocation. Robbins is the Turkish-speaking expert and Associate Scholar at Philadelphia’s Foreign Policy R
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As I have twice before (here in June 2010 and here in September 2010), I asked my friend Gerald Robbins, the Turkish-speaking expert and a Senior Fellow at Philadelphia’s Foreign Policy Research Institute, to comment on this past weekend’s p
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