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Saturday, March 13. 2010Doc's Computin' Tips: Saving & playing web videos
You think you're looking at a web page on Maggie's server, right? Nope, not even close. Every single item you see or hear on a web site has been downloaded to your computer first, and those are the files you're reading, watching and listening to. Everything, including all of those wild & wacky videos you watch, are sitting right there on your computer waiting to be saved for later enjoyment. But no. No, as cruel as it sounds, this is not an ideal world, and thus there are bound to be a few hitches and bumps along the way, such as your media player rudely spitting out "Unknown format" when you innocently try to play your latest YouTube treasure. But with stalwart heart and steely resolve, we'll solve the whole mess in one fell swoop. I'm not exactly sure what a fell swoop is — but I'm pretty sure there's one below the fold. Follow The Money First off, just so you know, the confusion we face over video formats is all about the money. Licensing fees, to be exact. Microsoft wants tons of money from companies to play and edit its proprietary WMV format — Apple balks, and so Mac users can't view by default what until recently has been the most popular form of streaming video on the 'Net. In turn, Apple wants serious bucks for its Quicktime format — Microsoft balks and thus PC'ers can't view streaming Quicktime movies by default. Taking advantage of this gap, Adobe bought Flash and moved in with a multi-computer format called FLV, and that's what you see on sites like YouTube. Regardless of the original format, it's converted to FLV during the upload, and that's what you'll end up with when you save it locally. Of course, in turn, Adobe now wants megabucks for Flash licensing fees — so both Microsoft and Apple balk — and now practically nobody can play the most popular video format on their computer. The perils of capitalism. Thankfully, the whole ugly situation is resolved by downloading a free player called 'KM Player' and using it for everything. If you want to convert the FLV files to a more-normal format, there's a free converter called 'Super ©' that'll do the trick. Types of Downloads When it comes to locating the just-watched video on your computer and saving it to a safe place, there are two general categories: — If it's a big public share site, like YouTube, Flixxy, LiveLeak, College Humor, etc, it'll most likely be residing safe and sound in your 'Temporary Internet Files' folder (Internet Explorer) or the 'Cache' folder (Firefox), ready for copying to a safe location. — If it's a private business, there's about a 25% chance that you won't be able to save the video. There's a way to code the file so it'll play but not download, and some businesses like to keep their files proprietary. We'll do this by browser type. In both cases we need to 'clean the slate' first by emptying the browser's cache in order to easily locate the file later on. If you're using Opera or Chrome, the procedure is probably similar to Firefox's. Internet Explorer — Go to Tools Menu, 'Internet Options'. In the 'Browsing history' section, click on the 'Delete' button. Uncheck everything except 'Temporary Internet files', click the 'Delete' button. This'll take a while if you've never done it before. — Go to the video page, play the video. Watch the moving slider on the player to make sure all of it downloads. You usually don't have to actually let the whole thing play, although on some sites you do. If the download gauge on the player stops moving when you hit the 'Pause' button, the whole thing will have to be played. — Open Tools Menu, 'Internet Options'. In the 'Browsing history' area, click on 'Settings', then 'View files'. Go to the View Menu of the window that pops open and select 'Details'. On the top border of the window display area, click on 'Size' twice. This should sort them with the largest files at the top. The video should be noticeably larger than the other files. — Highlight the file and hit Ctrl-C to copy it to memory, or use the Edit Menu. Go to your vids folder and paste it in with Ctrl-V, or use the Edit Menu. If the file name doesn't have a file extension, add ".flv" to the end. Firefox Firefox uses its own 'Cache' folder, but it's in a 'hidden' folder so you'll have to make a small system tweak in order to see it: Open Control Panel, 'Folder Options', click on the 'View' tab. Select 'Show hidden files and folders', OK. Now open the C Drive. Take a deep breath and navigate your way to 'Documents and Settings', your user name folder, 'Local Settings', 'Application Data', 'Mozilla', 'Firefox', 'Profiles', then a strangely-named folder like 'bbjf9b03.default'. Inside of that you'll see a 'Cache' folder. Highlight the icon with the right mouse button and 'Create Shortcut'. Now copy the shortcut icon to someplace handy so you can access it later, or d-r-a-g it over to the Start Menu and drop it in. To capture a video do this: — Go to the Tools Menu, 'Clear Recent History'. Click on the little 'Details' box if it's not already expanded. Uncheck everything except 'Cache', click 'Clear Now'. — Go to the video page, play the video. Watch the moving slider on the player to make sure all of it downloads. You usually don't have to actually let the whole thing play, although on some sites you do. If the download gauge on the player stops moving when you hit the 'Pause' button, the whole thing will have to be played. — Open the 'Cache' folder. Go to the View Menu and select 'Details'. On the bar at the top of the window display area, click on 'Size' twice. That puts the largest file at the top. It'll be much larger than anything else listed. — Highlight the file and hit Ctrl-C to copy it to memory, or use the Edit Menu on the window. Go to your vids folder and paste it in with Ctrl-V, or use the Edit Menu. — Rename the file to whatever, and you'll need to tack an ".flv" on the end. Update: 'BlogDog' mentioned in the comments that there's a widget for Firefox called 'Ant Video Downloader' which might make the process easier. The Temp Folder If you don't see the video in the browser folder, there's one other place to look. It might be in whatever your system's using as its official 'Temp' folder. The hitch here is that you can't leave the video page or the temp file will disappear — because it's only a 'temp' file. So play the video but leave the web page open. Depending upon operating system and a few other factors, there could be half a dozen 'Temp' folders on your system, so the trick is to find the 'active' one. Do a Windows Search for "temp", organize them by 'Name' after the search is finished, then open up each Temp folder listed. Most will either be empty or contain a few files. One will be full of files. That's the one we want. As with the other windows, first set it to 'Details' mode, then click on 'Size' twice to bring the biggest file to the top. If the video's there, it'll be much larger than any other file. You'll notice that, unlike grabbing files from the browser windows, the temp file is "in use" and can't be copied to a safe folder. The trick is to reach over and hit the computer's power button, shutting it down. After the machine reboots, the file should be in the Temp folder, ready for copying. It's ugly, but it works. KM Player I spent hours the other day evaluating the latest open-source (free) video players, and this puppy is definitely the cat's ass. It's almost unbelievably configurable, so whatever it doesn't do correctly right out of the box can be changed later. It also played everything I threw at it, including a couple of semi-corrupt test files I save for such occasions. Note: Like any good video player, KMP is going to associate itself with all of your video file types (AVI, MPG, MOV, FLV, etc). If for some reason you don't like the player and end up removing it, the video file types should revert to the former player. If they don't, just open the player's Options and make sure all the file types are checked. The KM Player home site is here. Click on the big blue 'Download' link, then again. You'll download a tiny loader program which you'll save to the computer, then run. It's just a standard Next-Next-Next install. After you get it fired up you'll want to run through the Preferences and make a few critical adjustments. It'll take a few minutes but you definitely want to do this. Right-click anywhere in the program, go to 'Options', 'Preferences': General Now click on the + next to 'General' to open up the sub-panel: As noted in the beginning, I've tried a lot of video players over the years (both free and commercialware), including a whole bunch the other day, and KM Player really stands alone. I've been using the fabled Media Player Classic for about a decade, but even it occasionally can't play some offbeat download. KMP does it all. Super © For just watching downloaded videos on your computer, you normally wouldn't need to convert anything since the amazing KM Player can play any format. You might, however, want to import a video into a program like PowerPoint, in which case there's a 99% chance that whatever you're using won't import FLV files. That's when you'd convert it to a standard format. There's one little system adjustment you'll have to make if you're not currently seeing file extensions, like '.doc', '.txt', '.jpg', etc, on the end of file names. Open Control Panel, 'Folder Options'. Click on the 'View' tab. Uncheck 'Hide extensions...', OK. This is, by far, the best free video converter I've come across. It'll convert certain types of files, like MKV, that few other programs can, even commercial studios like Adobe Premiere and ULead's VideoStudio. The download page is here. Scroll down to the bottom of the page and click on the "Start Downloading SUPER ©" link. Partways down the next page click on the "download and use" link. Scroll down to the bottom of the next page and click on the "Download Super © setup file" link. Grab the file and install it. Warning: This thing might take upward of a minute to load up — no kidding. So when nothing happens when you first run it, just hang in there. Keep reminding yourself that it’s free. Assuming you have a firewall installed, I wouldn’t allow it to access the Internet (no need) but if you’re running something really picky like ZoneAlarm, let it access system files. When it does (eventually) load up for the first time, you might get an error message if there’s something about your system that it doesn’t consider good enough. Close the error box (if it popped up) and the program will appear. Click anywhere in the program with the right mouse button to open up the big options menu: — Select ‘Output File Saving Management’. Either select a default folder to always save the files, or check the appropriate box down below. Click ‘SAVE changes’. — If you'd like it to notify you when it's finished, select 'Play a sound...' Converting To AVI AVI is the standard Windows format and every program should be able to import it. Note that this first time around you'll have to adjust a few settings, but they'll stay in place for later conversions. — Right-click anywhere in the program to open the big menu, select the first entry. Find the file to be converted. — In the upper-left box, select 'AVI'. In the box to the right, select 'DivX'. The audio box to the far right should be set to 'MP3'. — Just below that area, check 'FFmpeg'. — In the green video box, make sure 'NoChange' and '29.97' are selected. Select '1008' in the drop-down menu over to the right. — In the blue audio area, set to '22050', '2', '128'. Note: The above settings are for the standard semi-crappy web video. If it's a high-quality piece, set the video 'Bitrate' to '2016' and the audio settings to '48000' and '160'. — Click the 'Encode' button at the bottom, 'Yes' to the box that pops up, and it should convert the file. Check the file name of the converted file. The program probably left the original file extension in and capitalized the ".FLV", like "coolvid.wmv.FLV". Get it looking right. Troubleshooting — If you get a red error message in the lower-right part of the program, set the audio’s ‘Sampling’ to ‘11025?, and try using a pre-set ‘Video Scale Size’. — If for some reason the program you're trying to import the video into rejects it, or the audio/video is out of sync, try the above using the 'huffYUV' setting instead of 'DivX'. — Super may or may not convert SWF files, depending. SWF files are videos inside of a 'package' that does something else, like show the video in a custom player. If it converts it at all, you'll end up with just the bare video, not the extra stuff. Ditto any freebie SWF-to-FLV converters you find out there. Normally, this is okay, but if the extra stuff is what made the video attractive in the first place, you're going to lose it. Converting To FLV In case you want to put an FLV video on your web or blog site, the procedure is the same as above except you select ’FLV / SWF (Flash)’ and 'Flash Video' in the top boxes. (If you want to get a blog site going, here ya go.) The FLV should play in any standard online Flash player. While there's an 'official' Flash player out there, there are better ones around. The one I use here and on my own site is called JW Player. Any questions, give a holler.
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Firefox offers the 'Ant Video Downloader" as an add-on which puts a button in the bar at the bottom of the frame. I've grabbed a few Flash viddies by staring to play a video on its page and then clicking the button to download. It's saved in FLV format but VLC (free to DL) plays them perfectly.
Oh, running Snow Leopard on a 24"iMac for all of this. Doggers - Good tip, I've updated the section, and thanks.
In regards to VLC, I've been following its development from the beginning and checked out the latest version the other day, but everything (even the vaunted Media Player Classic) pales in comparison to KM Player. The amount of configurability just boggles the mind, and it seems to be codec'd for every format in the galaxy. Plus it has a nice look, and I like the way it opens in the exact place and size I want. Like you and VLC, I know how it is to be loyal to a fave program, but this is one change I consider to be for the better. Thanks for the reference to KM Player. I can finally play saved clips from my security cameras which save in .asf format. The dolts over at linksys picked this format but don't provide a player for it that works and Windows Media Player apparently no longer supports this older Windows format.
From my brief search, KM Player seems to be Windows only. Although I have VMWare Fusion, I think I'm going to have to go with VLC. It's more a default for me than a fave though. Appreciate the info and I'll keep an eye on KM Player if it shows up on the 10%er side.
Dogs -- Yeah, I had done a search, too, and was disappointed there wasn't a Mac version. One of the insiders said something like, "Don't look for it anytime soon." It's a bummer, but it's hard to blame the company. These things aren't just run through some 'converter', they've got to be rewritten from scratch. And, given the immense amount of work that went into this thing (downloadable for free, no less), they probably felt it just wasn't worth it. But as long as there are great proggies like VLC around, no biggie.
Fred - They're saving in (cough!) ASF format?? Jeez, I suppose they're also using ARC for compressing, Telnet for Internet navigation, and Gopher to store files on. But if you ask them, I'm sure they'll claim they're a 'modern' company.
Windows Media Player doesn't play ASF because it was officially declared formatis non grata years ago by Microsoft in favor of the new WMV. Nor do hardly any editors import it because it was considered very proprietary by Microsoft and they actually went after companies to prevent them from including the codec. Ditto WMV. There were a couple of sneaky ways around it in the old days, but these days I'd just use SUPER to convert them to AVI, then work from there. Glad you like KM Player. It's a honey! Doc, for Internet Explorer's caches, I've had better success finding video files using this shortcut:
C: \Users \[your user name]\AppData\Local\Microsoft\Windows\Temporary Internet Files\Low\Content.IE5 [that's all one line, but the post message's anti-spam doesn't like that] You have to type in the "\Low\Content.IE5" yourself; it won't be shown to you. Once you get there, make a shortcut so you don't have to remember how to get there. Interestingly, it hasn't changed since IE5 and still works on Vista with IE8. This will put you looking at a collection of folders that hold much more than the Tools Browsing History Setting View Files will show you. I sort this top level by the date modified. On vista, the folders with significant material are somewhat greyed. Usually the top ten are greyed; beyond that most are apparently placeholders. Highlight the first folder and hit Enter. Sort the contents by size. If there's nothing there, hit Backspace. Then Down Arrow to next folder and repeat. This method makes sure that Windows won't rearrange the folder order. When you do find something worth checking, you can play it in place or cut and paste it to your liking. Sometimes I've deleted files from the cache once they are copied so I don't keep on checking the same files. So far, IE hasn't bitched about my stripping its memory. Sometimes the system will bitch at you about security when you click on a folder. It's just being crabby. _______ I like VLC for its easy playback speed controls, the new frame by frame in advanced tools, and the magnify tool. The new version has a nice minimal frame option and a nice Record button -- wonder what that does? But I'll give KM player a try.... LWMSWBPI - When you say "better success", do you mean finding files that aren't listed using the usual in-browser method? That would, indeed, demand further investigation, although I have to admit I've had excellent luck using the usual method. And for those occasional ones that don't end up in Temp. Int. Files, they're not anywhere on the system according to a "total number of files" in-depth search before and after playing the video. That's the "25%" I was talking about. They're streaming in real-time only, not being downloaded in the process.
Let me know how you think KM Player stacks up against VLC, and be sure to do the tweaks on the page. It's "pretty good" right out of the box, but needs some help to get it completely up to speed. It's prettier, but it sounded tinny. VLC was much better sounding. Unfortunately, I tried back to back compares w/ VLC and then I tried KMPlayer's audio tools. Big Mistake. One click on their audio effects buttons (I think I tried Normalize) and KMPlayer stopped making any noise at all.
(Any advice about that? It's still muted....) I liked the album display which is a very Apple sort of thing, but VLC seems more straightforward to me. VLC works [better or at all, your choice]. KMPlayer looks slicker, but it gets right off on the skinny branches fast, and seems willing to start sawing away on them while it tells you squat. While I'm asking, what's with the new desktop shortcut to The_KMPlayer-1435.exe? Er, the question is, does KMP sound "tinnier", or is VLC enhancing the audio, like the way a lot of players do? I'd glance through the settings and make sure some kind of 'boost' isn't checked. Unlike video, audio is pretty straightforward and I would expect every player to play the audio track the same way.
As far as it being muted, the only thing checked on this end on the 'Audio' menu is "Enable Audio Plugins". And dunno about the Desktop shortcut icon. Didn't see one on this end. I Have Been Saved by KMPlayer Setup Wizard in the start menus.
Stopped sounding tinny too. In the Signal Corps transmitter school, one of the first lessons was about the Tennessee Speed Hammer. The teacher was from Tennessee. The lesson was: sometimes if it doesn't work, give it a good wack. Wack delivered. No wonder Abby talks to her machines.
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"better success": coming through the Tools menu I don't see any videos at all, but I do see a huge (86M) Norton update. And lots of little stuff.
But if I type "\Low\Content.!E5" at the tail of the Tools URL, I get to see the rest of cache. The last time I looked, there was at least one video (8M) from this morning's surfing that didn't show up via the Tools method. LWMSWBPI - Fair 'nuff. The next time I'm missing a download, I'll give it a look-see.
"The lesson was: sometimes if it doesn't work, give it a good wack." In the handyman world, prime rule #1 is: When in doubt, use a larger hammer. "No wonder Abby talks to her machines." 'Major' says hi. :) KMPlayer does suffer from a Swiss Army Knife of menus which make it easy to change something [somewhere] for a near perfect game of "Gotcha!"
For instance, when I started using it (lo these 7 hours ago) it had a menu bar across the top, that when I clicked on the leftmost created an album of the directory I pointed it at. On the right side top, there were two buttons that changed the view from sliding iPod-like view to paged 4 x 4 array. Somehow, I've gone to "Video mode" and those options are gone. So is the top menu bar. I've even had my laptop start showing me a scary video of some old guy. (RIGHT click on KMPlayer in upper left corner, select WDM from the menu. That's if you changed the skin to the default, maybe. I can't change away from this fancy skin just now. Again.) I did figure out that if I "close file", I stop looking at the livefeed of myself. But I can't find that album feature. Like the LeLu says, "Please help". LWMSWBPI - First off, to get the tool bar back to the top, click on the farthest-left button (of 4) on the lower-right. I was actually going to suggest that as a tweak, because it certainly makes the player look cleaner, but I missed the 'close' button on the upper-right. That old habit is just too hard to shake.
I haven't experimented with the rest of its doo-dads, though. It was enough just going through the (endless) pages of configurations and whipping up the post. At this point, you probably know more about it than I do, heh. One other thing to note is that there's a button in Options that sets everything back to default, in case something really gets screwed up. I don't know if that'll affect things like "Video mode" or not, though. Its viewing modes might not be tied into the Options. At least I didn't offer you a boring program. :) how to get the fancy pants album display
right click screen: select Advanced controls right click screen: select skins, select logo, select KMP_Album_Art.swf Just goes to show: playing Zork did pay dividends after all. One small point: When i save "*.flv" files I change the file type to swf (usually, to remember I have done so, *.flv.swf") which for whatever reason works with more players.
John - Interesting point. And it makes sense. SWF, as a format, has been in use a lot longer than FLV. That is, the video part of an SWF has always been FLV, but FLV as a standalone format has only come into use recently. And, as noted, Adobe is real picky ($$) about who gets the playing and editing rights for its little gem. So picky that even Adobe Premiere -- its own product -- can't import them. Now that's picky!
As far as converting to FLV goes, I've been somewhat disappointed with the few converters I've found that can handle the format. Even the super SUPER leaves something to be desired when it comes to high-quality FLVs like I'm posting in the NCIS series. The only program I've found that does a decent job is Flash 8 (now renamed something else), but even then you've got to crank up the bitrate to at least 2,000 or the blotchies might start appearing in darker scenes. What converter are you using? |
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