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Friday, June 26. 2009
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It doesn't "include" a tax increase - this entire wacky thing is a household and business energy tax, pure and simple. The lie that anyone other than households and businesses will end up paying it is ridiculous. It simply will be passed through to you in your utility bill. The O did promise during the campaign to make energy far more costly, and this is the beginning.
My own cynical view is that the "greeny" pose is just being used as a mask to suck more money out of the private economy into Washington. This bill does nothing for the environment - and Congress knows it.
I have read estimates that this will cost anywhere from $120-over $2000 per household per year, with plenty of geographical variation. I haven't seen any estimates about what it will cost businesses, but clearly that depends on your businesses' energy usage. If you have 1000 Costco stores to air condition, watch out.
If you wanted to design something to put the brakes on an economic recovery, this would be a fine plan.
Ace has an excellent analysis.
Update: The dang thing passed in the House. I never thought it would. Note to self: never underestimate the Dems when they have a chance for a new tax. They are tricking the public: digging deeper into your pocket while making it look like greenie-virtue.
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That's just what I was going to say--
Eight Republicans voted in favor!
And, it passed by seven votes, I think.
What did these folks get out of it?
This vote, though, may well come back and bite the dems in 2010 and 2012.
Vote for anyone besides an incumbant in 2010 and 2012.
Party afiliations are meaningless...
It is our only Hope.
Our only hope on this abomination of a bill must now rest in the Senate. We should start to communicate with our Senators now, as often as we can. They can stall the bill, and alter it substantially, if they only will do so. Charles Krauthammer said several times on Fox News tonight that the bill was such a chaotic mess that it couldn't be altered to make sense.
I can't believe that eight Republicans voted in favor of it. Who are they? What states do they represent? We need to put our thinking caps on and find out whether they are generally crazy, or whether they have specific agendas which are inimical to the citizens and to good sense.
Marianne, who is very angry and depressed...
Marianne, We may need to treat them all with the derision they deserve. They did not read the bill, yet they voted for it. Why do we need them as representatives if that's all they are going to do?
I don 't think party affiliations are meaningless. Almost all the pubs voted against, most of the dems for. Politics is local. My new dem, for instance, voted against this nonsense, because of the district he's in. He had to, regardless of his own feelings, if he wanted to survive the next round. I imagine the eight traitors were worried about their reelections, or, maybe, just got paid real good.
All things being exactly equal, which they never are, then vote against the guy in office.
Your wish is my command, Marianne, here they are, the traitors--
Mary Bono Mack (R – CA)
Michael N. Castle (R-DE)
Mark Kirk (R-IL)
Leonard Lance (R-NJ)
Frank LoBiondo (R-NJ)
John M. McHugh (R-NY)
David Reichert (R-WA)
Chris Smith (R-NJ)
Well, that makes grim sense --it's the coal-fired states which will suffer the greatest damage, and California and the NE states which will suffer the least.
David Reichert's (R-WA) district, for instance, is tucked in between the People's Republic of Seattle and the Cascade Mountains. The hippie, yippie, flippies are movin' his way, and he knows it.
Plus, who knows, he may have visions of wind farms dotting his district dancing in his head. The wind whips through there pretty good sometimes, at the foothills of the Cascades.
Well, all the repubs that think they need more moderates in the party ought to be doing cartwheels about now.
This is exactly right. And votes like this make it harder and harder for me to understand the "vote all the varmints out" approach. When we see disastrous bill after disastrous bill with a clear pattern of acceptance by Democrats and rejection by Republicans (despite the small percentage of exceptions), how is it still possible to say it doesn't matter any more which party you support?
Am I disappointed in a lot of Republicans? Sure. So what? When I start seeing the numbers break evenly between Republicans and Democrats on votes on bills like Porkulus, Cap-N-Tax, and ObamaCare, I'll start wondering whether it makes a difference whether I support one party or the other.
Independence from foreign oil has been a goal of American presidents since the days of Richard Nixon, during which time dependence on imported oil has steadily increased. But it remains a rallying cry that President Obama finds convenient to garner support for his plan to spend billions on the development of renewable resources -- primarily wind and solar power.
Never mind that neither of those intermittent and inconveniently located sources of energy can ever add much to national energy supplies, or have any significant role in reducing oil imports since very little oil is used to generate electrical energy.
If America is to reduce its oil consumption, it will have to find ways of using natural gas -- gas-industry critics of some of my earlier writings make a plausible case that I have been understating the role natural gas-powered vehicles can play in our transportation economy -- or electricity to move our cars and trucks.
And there's the rub. America possesses vast untapped reserves of natural gas and an abundance of coal with which to generate electricity. But environmental opposition prevents exploitation of our natural gas reserves.
And the green position that there is no such thing as "clean coal," combined with environmentalists' skill at using the judicial process to obtain goals they cannot achieve in the legislature, has caused the cancellation of numerous coal plants.
One utility executive tells me he is reluctant to order new coal plants because the rules of the road can change so suddenly, especially if Obama's environmental czar, Carol Browner, gets the upper hand over more economically sensible economic adviser Larry Summers.
And remember, Judge Sonia Sotomayor wrote a decision, fortunately overturned by the Supreme Court, holding that no matter how costly an available technology is, it must be built into coal plants without any effort to measure the costs and benefits.
No need to comment on nuclear power: Its rising cost, the permanent shut-down of the nuclear waste repository at Yucca Mountain, and procedural delays will combine to limit the role of new plants.
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We are on the verge of giving the Chinese a great gift. Of course, at some point when things get sufficiently grim, we will probably create some new industrial ethos that allows us to recover lost ground. But what form that will take we can't yet say.
Here in Idaho we have a proposal for a nuclear plant in Elmore County, which is also supposed to provide a market for the local farmers as some of the energy is to be used to make ethanol too. The County Commissioners are nearing the point of voting on a rezone of land request, and I think they will vote for it. Most of the folks in Elmore County wear jeans and cowboy or John Deere caps. The vocal opposition being the Snake River Alliance, who aren't native to Elmore County, for the most part. How closing Yucca fits into this picture I don't know, but I do know just to get to this point of a vote by the County Commissioners has been one hell of struggle. I think it will finally get built, but, if not here, then nowhere.
Thing can light up all of Idaho and then some.
Hope it comes to pass. I could live in Boise and in Twin Falls but don't know that much about what is between. What is Mountain Home like? Is the AFB pretty much it, economically? What about Glenn's Ferry?
I'm from the north central, but was in Twin Falls just recently. It is booming, very going concern, lots of new businesses and residential construction, some new big fancy motels. Boise has boomed too, is in an overbuilt condition right now, has spread out mostly to the west, housing going cheap right now.
Don't know much about Mountain Home, but that's it I think, the Air Force base. Don't know Glenns Ferry.
Plenty of desert in southern Idaho. Elmore County abuts the Owyhee Desert, home of ghost towns, miners bleached bones, some jackrabbits and an occasional antelope or two.
Here in the southern tier of NY we were on the verge of an economic boom because of an abundance of natural gas. I have a gas lease and a well was dug a year ago a mile from us, but unfortunately my land was not affected. Now our a-hole of a gov has put a moratorium on any new wells, thus in tandem with the O's great economic policies, the economic future looks bleak. Democrats have given us a Change from optimism to Hopelessness.