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Monday, May 18. 2009
43 degrees here in central CT this morning. Definitely still too cold to plant the cukes, peppers, melons, squash, and tomatoes I like to grow. But look at Saskatchewan 2 days ago:
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Well, it's 82 degrees here in Bucharest today, which is an above average temperature, and a lot hotter than it used to be in May ten-fifteen years ago.
(The average for May is - or used to be - 68 degrees.)
Dear cucurbitae ... I'm surprised that you think average temperatures for a location mean that every day one experiences in that location has to conform to the temperature on that day in previous years. It doesn't work that way. In each location on this globe, there will be days warmer than normal or colder than normal for a specific day. Only by stepping back a little and averaging the temperature over a fixed period, like a year or ten years, can you get a more accurate fix.
I can remember when it snowed in Milwaukee on my birthday [June 14] one year. I remember it because it was unusual. A few years later, it was 82 degrees on that day. Milwaukee generally warms up beginning in April and by June it can be called early summer. But there are variations.
The problems we have with many so-called 'climate scientists' getting hold of computers and trying to extrapolate generalizations from specific data, is that they often leave things out, maybe from memory lapses, maybe from insufficient data, as Al Gore's captive scientists did when they neglected to include the Little Ice Age [often called The Summer That Never Was] and the Mediaeval Warming Period in their initial calculations.
I think the expression is Garbage In, Garbage Out, among computer cognoscenti. I wouldn't know. I'm just an old lady with a good memory.
Temps in the 28 to 32 degree area last night in the Finger Lakes region of NY. Widespread frost predicted for tonight. We usually don't put the tomato's in till after Memorial Day even though the seed packets recomend May 15th. Temp here at 1pm was 48 degrees, probably the high for the day.
While it did hit 80F, that's nowhere near a record, nor (according to Weather Underground) "a lot hotter(??) than it used to be in May ten-fifteen years ago" (1999 - 1996)
Dudes and Dudettes,
You guys need to get off the oil subsidies and start being truthfull about warming.
Clearly it's totally warming and stuff. Look at these technical data points:
This morning at 7 am: 49°
This morning at 11am: 72°
This afternoon at 1pm: 79°
This means that right now it's 30° hotter than it was a very short while ago. If we don't do something now to save the planet it's going to be 400-500° by this time tomorrow!!
Also note that during this time the sun has gotten higher and higher on the horizon, and Big Oil doesn't own the sun (yet) so I would also assume the sun's ascent will continue. In addition to the earth burning itself to a crisp by lunch tomorrow, the sun will have flown off into the galaxy somewhere!
Something has to be done about white, western culture before we all die. Duh.
At that rate, by July we will be frying eggs on the sidewalk.
Marianne - My point was - in response to the title of the article ("Where's my warming?") - that at one particular point on the globe it is chillier than usual, whereas at this particular point on the globe it is hotter than usual. A lot of people, including on this site, point to the fact that it is colder than usual where they live as some kind of proof against "global warming". Here, the average temperatures are rising. Sow what? Neither local situation proves anything either way. While I don't believe in "man-made" global warming, the fact that it is snowing in Saskatchewan doesn't mean it's getting hotter elsewhere. In Bucharest, up until about ten years ago, there used to be snow from at least November until February. In the last three years, the weather has been so warm that not so much as a single flake has fallen.
Jess - source: the fact that I live here and have, like Marianne, a good memory.
2 items, then - WU says the May record for Bucharest is almost 100 F... guess they're incorrect.
and it's frost for the D.C. suburbs this AM, May 19.
Do you really wish to assert that, and I quote, "not a flake has fallen" in Bucharest during the past 3 winters?
These pics would seem to counter that
Lib makes assertion. Media accepts assertion. Assertion becomes fact. Jess, you did something our media fails to do. You checked out a libs assertion.Looks like a lot more than a flake of snow in Bucharest.
Sean, thanks, but I've an admission - I've spent a good deal of time in the old "East" over the past 1/2 decade, and I knew first hand the cold & snow conditions (often near record levels, btw) - especially over the past couple of years (not that anyone would know that from media reports...), so this wasn't going to be too tough.
Some science: check out spaceweather.com - it has current sunspot info (in addition to a lot of other really cool stuff). Sunspot activity is the only data point that directly correlates with global temperature rises and falls (sorry wacko lefty greenies, carbon dioxide is a lagging indicator of past temperature fluctuations).
We are currently in a solar sunspot minimum period. Let's hope that sunspot activity increases soon. Warming periods have historically coincided with growth, expansion, and renaissances. Cold periods correspond with pestilence, famine, and death.
Don't believe me? Do some research. Frankly, it's been unusually cold here in Michigan. I think we've had 6 frosts since May 1. That hasn't happened in over 10 years, since (curiously) the last solar sunspot minimum.
Well, Webspinner, the "pestilence, famine and death" thingie seems to be well on its way, since January. Your comment about carbon dioxide being a "lagging indicator" is right on. CO2, in spite of what the Goracle says, is an essential gas, not a greenhouse gas. You want to live in a sandbox, eliminate CO2, which is an essential fertilizer for all green plants. Also to be noted is that every living thing that breathes is a CO2 generator, including you, my friend, and Al Gore himself.
Which is why he isn't really serious about lowering is CO2 consumption and generation.
And I have done the research, sir or madam, whichever you may be. Apparently, you haven't. May I suggest that you get with the program, and do some research yourself?
The "Do some research" comment was directed at "Phil" and the person from Bucharest - not you. I agree with all your points.
I am a long-time weather and science geek and, frankly, I am a little spooked at how extensive this solar minimum is. When the real climatologists (who have been pretty quiet for the last several years) begin to speak about how deep the cooling is, how low the solar activity is, how the actual ocean buoy data shows accelerating cooling - they then support their assertions with actual hard data accumulated over several years and their statements contradict the Gorbal Warmening politicians and money distributors who control these scientists' purse strings - you gotta believe that they are trying to seriously raise an alarm.
For those who want to know more, research "Maunder Minimum" and "little ice age" - note famine and disease correlations. Note, as well, that the grape-growing line in England is, today, 300 miles further south than it once was (during the last, true, extended warming period) - class question: Was this before or after the industrial revolution started (i.e., can it be blamed on man-produced pollution)?