We are a commune of inquiring, skeptical, politically centrist, capitalist, anglophile, traditionalist New England Yankee humans, humanoids, and animals with many interests beyond and above politics. Each of us has had a high-school education (or GED), but all had ADD so didn't pay attention very well, especially the dogs. Each one of us does "try my best to be just like I am," and none of us enjoys working for others, including for Maggie, from whom we receive neither a nickel nor a dime. Freedom from nags, cranks, government, do-gooders, control-freaks and idiots is all that we ask for.
Bet you did score high, dc. Some of the best -educated people are those who are self-educated, because their education never stops. The man with the curious mind never stops being curious. Heinrich Schliemann, the discoverer of Troy, was a grocery clerk who learned seven languages in his spare time, went over to Greece because, in his omnivorous reading, he discovered clues to the location of the ancient city of Troy, and had the energy and dedication to dig around until he found it. Many of today's college grads don't even know where the city of Troy is. They think it's in New York State.
so true. We no longer let kids use their imagination, they are so busy taking tests and being micromanaged that they have forgotten how to be curious. Too many higher education surveys and for profit testing outfits and they are destroying education.
Average score for this quiz during November: 77.5%
Average score: 77.5%
I don't necessarily agree that an average score of 77.5% indicates that 'murricans are a bunch of dolts re: US civics and basic economic ideas. I tend to agree that they are, but I don't know that the average score of a shade more than 3/4 correct answers shows that. I woulda figgered less that that.
I'm currently reading Joseph Ellis' Founding Brothers: The Revolutionary Generation. If one is interested in US history one doesn't read this book because of the subject matter. The subject matter should be well familiar to anyone with more than a passing interest in US history, particularly the revolutionary and early constitutional era.
The reason I selected this book was because I found the treatment of the topics interesting - I'd never seen anyone come at it that way before. And so far I'm not disappointed.
But now, to get to the point. My sample is small - just a few people - but generally a well educated (better than me fersure) sample. The book is simple, take a handful of the essential founders and examine the role one or more in each of a handful of key events. If you are passingly familiar with US history you well know both the people and the events. Details about them might, of course, be new but certainly not the names and events.
Well, rattle off the names and events and people start to give you that, "You're a freakin' loon who pays way too much attention to this stuff!" look within seconds. Then they want to return to blathering inanities about what's wrong with government or how Bush caused the economic meltdown.
It's very frustrating. Sorry for venting. Where's that nice woman who says the kind things about slinkies and brats?
hahaha.... Heah I is! You're so funny. I was ready to answer you before I got to that 'funny woman'. Check out Paul Johnson - British historian who writes so much you can't keep up with him. I read about five of his books and learned so much I forgot it all. :) But what a treat to read him because he writes with the pure joy of his subject, and it comes through so you're reading along and realize - oh man, it's 3 A.M.! any you keep on reading! I listened to him on tape for one of his books, and you could hear the joy of storytelling in his voice. To think of sitting in one of his classes would be so great a thrill. Oh, one of his books was the American presidents. No doubt about it: Lincoln was his favorite.
thanks for the link!! i read the quiz aloud as i took it and was very pleased at how much our homeschooled children knew - or were aware of even if the details eluded them. just sticking to the basics [dec. of indep; constitution, gettysburg address, supreme court watch, etc.] got us really far. i also now know where we need to add some more information for them.
Most people learned this information at some point of their educational career, and perhaps even passed the test on it at the time. But information must be reinforced to be remembered, and many people have clearly not kept up with events which would bring civics information back into play.
Which is to say that I don't think it's an education problem as much as a caring problem.
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Could not agree more. If you don't use the knowledge or care about it, you tend to lose it. Our minds are flush with that which interests us and we add to that base because we're interested.