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Friday, June 6. 2008

Obamatopia

This captures some of it. h/t, Flares:

Posted by Bird Dog in Hot News & Misc. Short Subjects at 17:41 | Comments (30) | Trackbacks (0)

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Funny BD, but how do I know Obambi isn't the H man; or that you aren't the H man. Why did you let the gig go on so long for new bloggers? I hope you have a good lawyer cause I'm going to sue your wanna be Dago ass off. You might as well start calling me partner in this sight.
#1 jappy on 2008-06-06 20:14 (Reply)
Eh?
#1.1 KRW on 2008-06-06 21:19 (Reply)
Oh. Santa's still Santa, right?
#1.1.1 KRW on 2008-06-06 22:38 (Reply)
Obamatopia would be where Obama lives.
#2 Ron Hardin (Link) on 2008-06-06 21:38 (Reply)
First it's the H-man fiasco. Then Dylan joins the forces of the dark. Rush keeps uttering, " We're screwed " when talking about the up coming election and McCain. We have a socialist, compulsive liar getting the Dem nomination and the MSM is keeping the general public from finding out. If Obama wins in Nov, I'm sure he's the anti-christ ( and I'm no fundy nut job ). At least I don't think I am. Then we find out that the H-mans a multi-personality wierdo. Some of you guys were hitting on Meta or H-man, depending on how you look at it. Go take a shower. Wash off your keyboard. What a way to start the weekend. I'm starting to doubt my convictions. Triple digit temps in NYC this weekend. Maybe global warming is real and not a hoax. I going to become a liberal.
And jappy, you better not be H-man
#3 sean on 2008-06-06 21:53 (Reply)
Sean, not to worry I am who I say I am Jappy. I am LOL right now. Bird Dog is probably scared right now thinking I am going to sue him. Some one better tell KRW whats going on. Please don't become a liberal !! I am not the King of Sicily. I am all American of Italian heritage. Please with jimmies on it don't leave the Farm . You're the sanest one here; Jephnol Luther Marieann and Phil seem sane to. I got my ticket already punched for the crazy house. Patina if you're out there I owe you one big apology.
#3.1 jappy on 2008-06-06 22:25 (Reply)
I hope I'm not the H-man and don't know it. BD could you verify I am who I am?
#4 sean on 2008-06-06 22:03 (Reply)
Perhaps you're Sparticus?
#4.1 The real Sparticus on 2008-06-06 22:25 (Reply)
Damn it, I am Spartacus!

Regarding hots for Meta, guys, really, weren't you getting the vibe that she/it was an older sock-puppet? Whatever you're into....

Think about this though: Perhaps Meta was the real pretender, and H was the fiction?

I choose to believe a young paraplegic named Guillermo was the author of the bull. A labyrinthine fiction with a cast of almost five, cooked to a stewy perfection in the mind of a restless soul. But we must remember! This is only a virtual world we inhabit, along with so many we only imagine we know the least bit about.

H. Meta. Leag. Goodbye. I never knew you, but I imagined you fondly. Thank you, young Guillermo! You extraordinary author of fictions! Master story teller! Bullsh*tter nonpareil! Fair thee well. Until you spoof your IP address, or we meet on another blog. Fair thee well!
#4.1.1 Jephnol (Link) on 2008-06-06 23:32 (Reply)
Jephnol and Jappy,

I am who I am; and Meta is who she is. I don't understand BD's motivations for claiming otherwise as he knows who is who via IP address.

The picture she sent you, Jappy, is of her. I'm a little disappointed to see folks jump to hasty conclusions about her. Meta commented after Habu was banned... on the "Flag Day" post. That should help quell any doubts you may have about her identity.
#4.1.1.1 Luther McLeod (Link) on 2008-06-07 10:19 (Reply)
Luther, I heve no idea what's what. I only questioned Meta's existence after BD stated she was a manifestation of H. Speculating, I wondered if M was part of a two (three?) for one ban along with H. BUT maybe I wonder if BD is a connecticut yankee, too. The point is, there's ample room for sketicism and doubt on the internet, only the need is not so great sometimes--like now. I come to Maggie's because I really appreciate what BD and crew are doing here. I like the content, I like the character, and I like the site visually. The whole cast of commenters is another reason I'm here. I really liked Meta, too. It just does not matter if she was a retired school teacher, a hot model, or H. I have no reason to distrust BD. He said she was H, I'm okay with it. This is not my place, Luther, only a place I choose to be.
#4.1.1.1.1 Jephnol (Link) on 2008-06-07 11:03 (Reply)
Jephnol,

I am not H. The blog knows who I am by my IP address. They deleted several comments I made after H. was banned. If I were H., I could not have made those comments. I also am not a retired school teacher. I quit half-way through my career. You all are speculating about a lot things, and you are making untoward remarks that hurt my feelings. As you say, this is only cyberspace, but to me the friends I make are real.

H. lives in Florida. I live in Virginia. Consider this: H. and I have been on this blog well over a year. We were on every day. For H. to have pulled off being Leag and me would have taken an extraordinary amount of work and concentration. H. spent most of his time copying walls of text onto the threads and commenting at length to every post and/or commenter. To have exerted the amount of energy to be two other frequent commenters? For what purpose?? Fun? I don't think so. It was a full-time job just being himself.

Now, Luther, Buddy, and I have challenged the statement that I am a sock puppet of H. If you still don't believe I am just Meta, ask the blog to verify mine and H.'s IP addresses.
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#4.1.1.1.1.1 Meta on 2008-06-07 12:40 (Reply)
Meta, or, I mean, if this is Meta, I answered this below @ #9.
#4.1.1.1.1.1.1 Jephnol (Link) on 2008-06-07 20:05 (Reply)
And to think I had the hots for Meta. I should of suspected something was up when IT wanted to wrestle Uddy and Luther. Just when things start getting interesting I have to leave . Buddy you seem sane to , BUT YOU BETTER BE BUDDY!!!!
#5 jappy on 2008-06-06 22:45 (Reply)
Hey maybe Teddy Kennedy is the H man a mole here on the farm to figure out how coservatives think.
#5.1 jappy on 2008-06-06 22:52 (Reply)
I liked Sparticus til I found out the author, Howard Fast, was a flaming commie. It was still a good book. The real Sparticus was probably cool and not a commie, though.
Another great book from that era was Ben-Hur, written by, I think, Lew Wallace. One of my top ten favorite novels. Wallace was a general during the Civil War. He was dishonored by Gen Grant for failure to follow orders, but Wallace said it was a mix up with the orders. Anyway, many critics said that he wrote Ben-Hur as a form of redemption for his misdeeds and to set his reputation right.
#6 sean on 2008-06-07 00:10 (Reply)
None of you really exist. BD is Meta is H is Sparticus, et al. This is all a big setup, like The Truman Show. Cameras are watching me now as I type this. Woe is me...but then again, the unexamined life is not worth living...
#7 KRW on 2008-06-07 11:23 (Reply)
Yes! That appeals to my solipsism.
#7.1 Jephnol (Link) on 2008-06-07 11:39 (Reply)
Lew Wallace was indeed a General in the American Civil War. He was a great Pontificator. My Dad used to quote him when he wanted to tease me. Wallace said in Ben-Hur, "Past question, all experiences in life are useful to one." And you, know, he is obviously [very obviously] right.

And, by the way, I really exist, KRW. And I'm really 80 years old. And Howard Fast was really a talented writer, even though he didn't think through his political positions very well.

Marianne
#8 Marianne Matthews on 2008-06-07 12:18 (Reply)
Holy crap! Sean is KRW.

(Here's to not knowing when to let it go)!
#8.1 Jephnol (Link) on 2008-06-07 12:40 (Reply)
This is unreal. I am not understanding why you were noted as being a sock puppet by people who should have known.

I believed the allegations of identity would have been settled by IP address ALONE. There should have been no question on the matter BEFORE it was put out there.

This really is approaching the Twilight Zone just about now.

Meta you're fairly rough and tumble, a trait I've admired in you. I've enjoyed your humor and your insight as well as your tenacity, but who the f*ck knows what the hell is going on when the blog owner puts it out there that your a SP.

Look, I don't come here for the truth. I just like this place. Meta? F*ckin' A, just the right amount of sass and pizazz. I love the back and forth. Hell, there are a lot of people here I like quite a bit, but what I know about them won't amount to a hill of beans. I'm not sleuthing for facts--I just like hanging out with this crowd. So look... I'm not trying to hurt your feelings. I'm sorry if I did. Really. I don't need to verify you if you're hanging out here, and frankly I'm glad to see you posting a comment because I figured I'd never see the name Meta here again and that'd be a shame. Man, it never occurred to me you were anyone but Meta until the SP allegation came out.
#9 Jephnol (Link) on 2008-06-07 17:41 (Reply)
Jephnol,


"FYI: Meta, Leag and H-man are the same person, with sock-puppet names.
Buddy, Rufus, and Luther are still around, and very welcome.
#6 BD on 2008-06-06 18:21 (Reply)"

" I believed the allegations of identity would have been settled by IP address ALONE. There should have been no question on the matter BEFORE it was put out there."

You are correct. The owners of the blog have the IP addresses. I'm not lying. You figure it out. I can't.
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#9.1 Meta on 2008-06-07 21:10 (Reply)
Meta, I don't have to figure it out. If you comment here I am happy. I like your input and your style. And I hope you're okay with my just moving on like it's any other day at Maggie's Farm.
#9.1.1 Jephnol (Link) on 2008-06-07 21:19 (Reply)
I am a fairly regular commenter who cannot figure out what in God's green earth is going on here. I still foolishly take things at face value, I guess - who people say they are, and the reliability of a host in dispensing behind-the-scenes info. As it can't be both in this case, I am puzzled.

But I am puzzled more as to why it matters more than a little bit.
#10 Assistant Village Idiot (Link) on 2008-06-07 20:44 (Reply)
"I am puzzled more as to why it matters more than a little bit." Well, there's a sense of virtual betrayal I guess.

I don't take too much on face value, so H*bu making the riotous exit he did was just funny. I mean, I don't want to hurt people’s feelings, but the named sock puppets just added an air of drama to the whole affair. If my name was on the list I'd have to say that would be hilarious.

Is that Meta up there writing to me? I don't know. If H was making people up when they blocked his IP he might just have cruised to the local library to log on and make an SP appearance. Virtual friends are ghosts--seeing one morph into something unexpected before your eyes just makes for great drama.

The short story is this: H- got into it with one of the posters here. Others formed alliances with either H- or the blog posters. Hilarity ensued.

Meta posting after being called a SP by BD is a soap opera twist. Is she or isn't she? That's where I'm with you. I don't care. I like Meta whether she's a fiction or not, but It just doesn't matter.

The truth is I have food cooking and a wife that wants me off of this box. So I have to leave the matrix behind for now. :)
#10.1 Jephnol (Link) on 2008-06-07 21:16 (Reply)
AVI,

You are puzzled as to why it matters? Truth matters, that's why.

I almost used a response I gave you last week as an example to prove I am who I am. You asked me about atheists and I told you about my time taking classes at UVA - University of Virginia - and of how I became involved with WASH - Washington Area Secular Humanists. I was in the Charlottesville chapter and described the group and my experience with them. I then talked about my personal experience with non-believers and believers.

My point as 'proof' was H. would not have written that. H. is a believer and would have had fifty states to pick from and hundreds of universities. H. does not talk as personally as I do on most subjects, especially that one, and for the observant, our style of writing is totally different.

I didn't bother mentioning this earlier because it would not be proof to the skeptic; and frankly, it appears all of you are tending to the 'reliability' of the blog. I'm surprised at that considering what we witnessed this blog capable of doing to an individual.

This may be deleted. I've saved everything because the only comment of mine that remained after H. was banned is to Marianne on the Flag Day post. That alone should be proof, but then, I'm just Meta....a mere commenter.
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#11 Meta on 2008-06-07 21:27 (Reply)
OK...am I still me, then? Meta, I don't recall that UVA statement at all. As a W&M grad, I would have noted it and perhaps commented. Two possibilities: You commented after me and I did not return to read it, for which I am sorry; or, you have confused me with someone else. Commenting about atheism would be like me, but I do not recall any such recent comment.

"Truth matters." Well yes, I agree. If I understand this correctly, H*bu has been banned for something. As everyone seems to be disguising his name is there a ban on mentioning him? Or is there a filter that tosses everything with his name? I have no opinion whether banning him was fair or not, as I don't know what it is about.

Someone has accused you of being a sock puppet, is that right? H*bu as he left? BD as H*bu left? I am imagining what I would do if someone accused me of being an SP. I think it would be a minor annoyance, and I would just refer them to my site. Of course, I work in an acute psychiatric setting and have people accusing me falsely all the time, so perhaps I am unusually thick skinned. Or just dead from the neck up.

I hear that it really bothers you, though, and that you are quite offended. I imagine there is a piece I have missed here. FWIW, I take you at face value, wondering only whether the screen name signifies "encompassing" or that you are Scandinavian.
#11.1 Assistant Village Idiot (Link) on 2008-06-08 00:56 (Reply)
AVI,

My response to you was late in a thread and the thread went down fast so you may have missed it. You did ask me a direct question about non-believers and about how they live. My return was comprehensive in the UVA example and then in my personal experience, though the latter was short.

I have no idea if H.'s name is filtered, but as everyone seems not to speak his name... Yes, he is banned. The upset lies in how it was done. The blog deleted the post and 102 comments that represent the public disgrace heaped on H.

I am always bothered by falsehoods and especially so when they're about me. I don't mind being made fun of or joked about, but principle matters in this case as my identity, after a year and a half on this blog, has been wiped out in a very malicious manner. BD knows I can't prove it. Why did he do it? I have no idea.

"Meta" as in I think about thinking a lot.
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#12 Meta on 2008-06-08 01:41 (Reply)
AVI,

Your taking me at face value has great worth. Thank you.
#13 Meta on 2008-06-08 01:50 (Reply)
habu - nope not filtered (although I believed it was).
#14 Jephnol (Link) on 2008-06-08 09:51 (Reply)

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