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Tuesday, February 26. 2008A Dr. Bliss Ramble: Is Liberalism neurotic? Well, it's more complicated than that.
I have read a number of comments and reviews of Dr. Lyle Rossiter's book The Liberal Mind: The Psychological Causes of Political Madness. I suppose I should read it, but I wish I had taken the time to write it myself, because the themes of the book seem close to much of what I have posted here about liberty. A quote from a WorldNetDaily review:
I know exactly what is meant here, but I have reservations about terming it "neurotic," which implies internal unconscious conflict. I think Dr. R. means "irrational." When we talk about the beliefs of others, everybody tends to views those who disagree as irrational or uninformed. The fact is that peoples' convictions and attitudes can be based on any mix of emotion, experience, emotional tendencies, fantasy, personality type, logic, self-interest, intelligence and amount of information they have, emotional maturity, and so forth. There are many recipes that end up with a bowl of Chili. For example, I know some Liberal types who are as benevolent, independent, intelligent, and high-functioning as can be, and who want nothing from the government. And I have met (and often read) Conservatives (and Liberals too) who seem driven, in part, by a paranoid undercurrent and sense of grievance. Thus I think that the psychology of beliefs is complicated. As readers know, I prefer to use individual liberty as my starting point in political discussion, rather than psychology. Individual liberty is what my ancestors fought, died, and lived for and the realization of it, and the reverence for the idea, is what differentiates the US from the rest of the civilized world. I believe that life in a world of individual liberty is risky, often difficult, often daunting, filled with failure, but offers endless opportunity to pursue the realization of dreams. Still, liberty is obviously not for everybody, as voting patterns indicate. Not even a majority of Americans supported the Revolution. The failure of modern "Liberalism" to maintain the ideals of personal liberty associated with classical liberalism is discouraging for me. Modern Liberals seem to celebrate leftist dictators, and, as I have posted, How Come Liberals never talk about Liberty? Clearly it is because they do not revere the founding ideas of America. I do revere them as the highest and most noble expression of the human spirit. Image: Trumbull's painting of Cornwallis' surrender. For at least 100 years, there has been a slow, steady flow of power from the individual to the state in the US. Despite American history, American ideals, and some parts of the Constitution which have grown weak with disuse, these flows of power have been approved by voters. Both liberals and Republicans have played roles in this trend, and even Reagan was (unwillingly) in the grip of this populist, quasi-socialistic trend which, in my view, amounts in the end in little more than a series of power grabs from people to government, with little to show for what was bought with that bowl of lentils other than more financial security for the poor and the removal of government-supported racial discrimination.
This trend has been driven by Leftist populism, and opposed, especially in the past 30 years, by Conservative populism. (Both populisms are interestingly discussed here in the WSJ.) Populisms sell dreams, usually with an "us vs. them" theme as an emotional hook. Paul at Powerline takes a gander at Obama's populist dream-marketing (my highlighting).
As the nurse-anesthetist said to me before they put me out for my last colonoscopy, "Pick a dream." My dream for America is to reclaim the best of our pre-60s, pre-1930s historical character and ideals. But, OK, I am rambling, and posting truisms. I'll stop for now, and close with this:
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Good, and obviously Rossiter's experience (like Dalrymple's) would have soured anyone on PC pablum. Nothing like direct contact with the scum of the earth to be jaded about liberal fantasies about how wonderful human nature and government is. Except that Buckley quotes drive many away because WB seems such a self-satisfied bibber (discredits his many good points by being such an !@#hole). His persona alienates so many...Definitely won't win over the young.
Tell us how you really think, R...just exercising my inalienable right life, liberty and the duty of going to work sick today to hammer home my hated maternal lectures to kids about work ethic. The abbreviated list that describes the modern Left:
1) Groups are what matter, not people. You are "Black" or "Christian" or "Mexican" or "Afghan" or "Sunni", you are not yourself. 2) The goal of fairness is equality of result, not equality of opportunity. 3) Being a victim is politically significant. 4) Assimilation is evil. 5) An ideal democracy is a coalition where political power is allocated among groups in proportion to their numbers. 6) National identity is evil. These views establish a political faction context for anything that happens, so that by elevating one group above another and by assigning 'rights' via group, social 'fairness' is achieved. Being 'poor' is being a victim of the 'rich' and so gets one bonus political points. Add in 'minority' status of any sort and you get further points and rights, about which you can protest the unfairness of the 'system'. Gender also comes into this which gets its own set of bonus points, and 'rights' to oppose the 'system'. Notice that this goes far beyond the multi-culti PC language, and strikes at the underpinnings of the concept of liberty, with all being created equal and having self-evident rights. Instead of the individual containing rights, it is society and government that contain rights, which are then handed out as determined by an elite class that has been properly schooled in the distinctions based on all of the discriminants involved. This does away with representative democracy as how you vote is purely based on your cumulative views given to you at birth: categories determine outcome and outcome is assured by the political class. That same political class can do the Orwellian Newspeak tango that slowly obliterates words and meanings until they mean exactly what the State says they mean... soon turning it into the rote repetition by the individual known as 'duckspeak'. Taxes are not a means to run the State as all income belongs to the State and you are allowed to keep some portion of it based on your work input. The State, itself, becomes the great source of all that is good, and heaven help you if you cross it as it still retains the punisher role of old to force individuals into acceptance... when it does not just liquidate them. Concepts of 'National Sovereignty' are to be removed, not only to 'accept' that 'minorities' in different areas are the same 'people' but to also allow 'freedom of trade' so that there is no hinderance to the economic collectors of the State in utilizing industry and jobs as a means to reward or punish certain groups over others. Those designated by such a State to run those outlets of the State, known as 'global corporations' become a special technocratic class worthy of their own rewards and punishments based on that class affiliation. There is no 'competition' in that system as it would upset global management and indicate that there might be some self-worth that is not associated with the State. Unlike the old Nation based National Progressivism, also known as National Socialism or Fascism, Transnational Progressivism seeks to remove the final individual identification with Nation and replace it with a gloal State. Different groups would prefer that they be the leaders of this new State: those on the Left would prefer the highly educated, those on the Right would prefer the corporate class, and those pressing Islamic views prefer the Caliphate concept either by a Leader advised by Scholars (Sunni view) or Scholars with a Leader to enforce those views (Shia view). The end for individualism is the same for each, however, no matter who takes control, the end result for over 90% of humanity is the same: enslavement by the State in all aspects of one's life. Taken from John Fonte's paper on Transnational Progressivism: http://www.unc.edu/depts/diplomat/archives_roll/2002_04-06/fonte_ideological/fonte_ideological.html And expanded in Liberal Democracy vs. Transnational Progressivism: http://www.hudson.org/index.cfm?fuseaction=publication_details&id=1008l Also this happens on the Right as seen by Fonte here: http://www.phillysoc.org/fonte2007.htm Taking the left as infantile forgets women, who are not infantile in wanting support ; they are just women.
Whether it's a good idea to let them vote is another question. 40% of them are into news soap opera, and those are the target audience of the media business model. Every public debate is edited by their tastes. For they come every day, whether there's news or not, so long as there is soap opera. There's no other working MSM business model for news. People say they want hard news, but they don't. Think city council meetings. Sure they come for major events, but the MSM can't pay the bills with that. But they can pay the bills by selling the eyes of soap opera women to advertisers. Even the campaigns are aimed at this minority of voters, because everything has to have soap opera legs to have media legs, and anything without media legs won't survive. I think the virtues listed for individuals are actually male virtues. Gender is really a complicating factor that ought to be on top of it all, via the news business model. Excuse me, RH, I assume you are kidding?! Just women!? I have a female captain of the fencing team who might just bruise you a little if you are not.
Fortunately, if you could tear your eyes away from Theo's babes and social parasites, there are plenty of self sufficient, redblooded women out there who think for themselves and whose brains are not a simple estrogen stew! I do not look to any man for support. I am not gay, and I love men, and have stayed married 20 years to my first and likely only spouse [I know i'm not that great a catch myself!]. I am not a feminist, count myself socially conservative and traditionalist, but I have had to be the primary breadwinner for over ten years, not because I am a man hating jerk but because "just women" will do whatever work is available to feed and get medical care for their men while sometimes a male's ego is so caught up in his profession that he often would rather not work at all than take the "wrong" job....does it make me a @#*0buster that I did not collapse weeping and wait for support?? I have never watched a soap opera or been spoon fed plolitically in my lif. Have been too busy studying, working, succeeding in what used to be a profession for "just men." Yes it would be nice [in regressive lazy moments] to be supported by a man, but I haven't met a reliable enough one. Just a woman? Tell that to my neighbors' kid now flying helicopters in Iraq! Just a woman?! I am not especially fit but how many men can run the Boston marathon in a sub 3:12 as I did, severely injured?. Not great, but better than most men. I agree with a lot you have posted in the past, but watch out, or my posse of gorgeous amazons will get you! Just women indeed! The only time gender should define a woman is when nursing and tending infants and small children, as I did full time for eight years. But once the last child is in kindergarten, a woman should do whatever work God gave her the talent for. Or whatever work will support her family if her spouse is unable and she is just a woman, believes in standing by her man, not being a burden on anyone. Hey, I was on the sabre team in college.
Most women are fine. I mean, more or less. It's the 40%, large enough to be a MSM business model, that cause the problem. The other 60% vote like men. But they should be able to see the problem with the moron remainder, as a price for their vote. The difference of men and women is interests, not ability. As a result of the interest difference, men get more reward out of certain activities than women, and vice versa. To get really good at things, you have to get a huge reward from obsessing on it. http://home.att.net/~rhhardin9/vickihearne.womenmath.txt is a nice summary, by Vicki Hearne. The tendency to add complexity (where men abstract from it) that women have gets them a reward for soap opera; a talent that in the natural world induces them to help neighbors, but in a mass media world amounts to self-gratifying porn for women. And dysfunctional public debates, for their interests edit everything. you could have been my mom, dad bailed, and she stood up and raised 6 kids. faith and courage, and responsibility. god bless the women of this world
Ah,yes Ronny Reagan was thre victim holding the stop sign.
Stop protecting the borders. Stop lettin' folks keep and bear arms. Stop supporting USA's troops in Middle East. He is epitome the victim of all the "conservative" victims who wonder how did that fool win the prize when there were so many "liberals' around. Good response, RH, but my overseer is near. Back to my oar, or I'm shark bait! The galley slave
How is it that you self professed Highschool/GED holders get to be arbiters of Liberal evils.
Liberals do not herd well, unlike you sheep with delusions of conservatism. You gather in squawking masses of victimizations like so many crows and project your neuroses to all who do not succumb to your scripted idiocy. You care not for the regulation of exploitation of common good but do pursue regulation and dominion in questions of personal freedom and expression. Please. Do be the good children and expand your horizons. You are an embarrassment to common sense. Lantern Bearer Lantern.bearer@gmail.com "Highschool/GED holders" is a shill, greenie, aka. a schill.
The hand is quicker than the eye, even with your penlight light, lite. But how do y'all know when ya've caught a fish? "Liberalism" and common sense? How's that Obama cult thing working out for you? Has the word been made flesh? The only policies coming out of the left are complaining about fuel prices while over-regulating production. Raising taxes while enlarging the scope and reach of the administrative state. Looking to the most inefficient vehicle to micro-manage the productive economy. In other words, creating problems that can only be addressed by a bigger, more expensive and more coercive central state whose interests, in general, will begin to conflict with private interests as it widens it's reach. Government is a necessary thing but 'liberals' just can't seem to grasp it's limits. The coercive power is necessarily located in the state. The state is not your mommy. 'Liberals', it seems, love coercion. That's not common sense, that's a short and highly selective grasp of history. And that's nuts. As the wise man once said, "Government is not reason, it is not eloquent, it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master."
There's one GLARING problem with Trumbull's painting of Cornwallis' surrender. Cornwallis stayed inside the residence he was occupying and sent an aide to surrender.
MF'ers....don't forget to pick up any loose or discarded PC language that may be left for young children to be infected with. Thanks
Honorary PC monitor Habu Our motto.... Sic Semper PCus or Tu"Bite Me" Quoque Lantern Bearer,
Who are you bearing your lantern for? .... The fourth-grade mentalites who burn soldiers in effigy or the third-grade Pinkies who protest too much outside the Marine recruiting station? Perhaps to those of us who are an embarrassment to common sense? Do tell..... examples, by chance, of your naked assertions about us sheep and the evils of conservatism we lap up in the face of your derision and scorn. Back it up.... very simple. "Liberals do not herd well"???
They herd wonderfully! They all believe in Global Warming - despite your educations, they all hate Bush, they all have accepted contradictory and ridiculous ideas as fact - like higher taxes will raise revenue and help the economy. You are the definition of sheep. Yes, I proudly hold a High School degree (and a BA and MBA), although the education I received was at Parris Island. I posted this a few days ago but it's worth a second look.
Top psychiatrist concludes liberals clinically nuts Eminent psychiatrist makes case ideology is mental disorder Posted: February 15, 2008 3:40 pm Eastern © 2008 WorldNetDaily WASHINGTON – Just when liberals thought it was safe to start identifying themselves as such, an acclaimed, veteran psychiatrist is making the case that the ideology motivating them is actually a mental disorder. more http://tinyurl.com/2qwp7v Well, I suppose I could have read the entire thread and seen where the above referenced post I placed two days ago was referenced today..oh well....good to know the readership.
I've been liberal (small-l, cap-L would be the British liberal party) since back when it was still legal (before Reagan, that is to say.) I've done way more of my share of conservative-bashing over the years, which I'm now starting to give up. (I hope I haven't been as obnoxious as lantern-bearer above, though I'm sure id you asked around...)
[Lantern-bearer refers to Diogenes, who carried his own lamp, not someone else's by the way.] Now that I'm reaching middle age, I'm realizing that my idea of a conservative is as ignorant, stereotyped and blatantly ridiculous as the thread of responses above. And all I have to do is listen to C-SPAN call-in shows to realize that it's possible for the people who agree with me to be as stupid as the people who disagree with me. (My conservative friends all laugh and agree with this.) So I'm now seeking out thoughtful conservative writing and commentary, trying to figure out what makes conservatives tick. It's not easy. Tragically, I find liberals and conservatives want a lot of the same things, but they're also alike in how they fight one another. Frankly I'm sick of the division. Both sides are paranoid, ascribing the worst possible motives to the other side. Both sides choose the idiots and bastards on the other side and hold them up as exemplary. And both sides have no idea what they're talking about. Really. So my part of trying to get past the division is actually listening, starting with seeing who conservatives think liberals are. The top level posting on this page is well-written, and I was gratified to see that someone who doesn't know me is willing to give me the benefit of the doubt as being merely irrational, rather than neurotic. (Of course, the tirades that followed the original note could muster up no such civility, but as I've said, incivility is the order of the day--neither liberals nor conservatives have the moral high ground on that point.) The top-level post is also, of course, a caricature of what liberals are and believe, and is written by someone with a thinking mind who still, I'm afraid, hasn't seen much past the end of his nose. Liberals are not hell-bent on making everyone wards of the state, and opposing individual Liberty. And if you think they are, then you don't know the first thing about liberals, and need to study some of the thoughtful ones (not the blabbing idiots that both sides have an excess of). The image of liberals in the comments after the article are much worse. Liberal boogiemen come to corrupt your children, take all your money, and lock you up in a Gulag somewhere, without your assault rifles or Chick tracts, because we're evil or neurotic or irrational or just for the hell of it. It's ludicrous and ignorant. Just as ludicrous and ignorant as all of the crap I have believed about conservatives all of these years (like the crack about the assault rifles and Chick tracts above). It makes me see that all of the paranoia, vilification, and ill-will is not so different from how I've been thinking about conservatives. This is bullshit. On both sides. We're Americans. What we have all forgotten in this long, slow boil of political tirades and dung-flinging is that we are Americans first, and whatever the hell else we say we are (including self-styled individualists) second. The founding fathers believed in talk. They got together, and talked, and wrote documents, and argued, and wrote letters (called the Federalist Papers), and compromised, and came up with something that has worked for over 225 years. They didn't agree about much, and they certainly didn't all like each other (though there were some remarkable friendships). But they eventually agreed on something that has lasted. We owe it to them and to each other to stop the bickering, finger-pointing, and name-calling. Neither conservatives nor liberals hold exclusive claim to the heritage of the founding fathers, any more than either is dedicated to the destruction of that heritage. Matthew 12:25. Think about it. Hug a liberal today. I'll go find a conservative to hug (if only to watch him squirm). :{) As a final chuckle, the spam-prevention image I have to type in below spells out "ACLU". I would have thought conservatives would have filtered out the four-letter words! |