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Tuesday, January 22. 2008

Rupert takes on Pinch.� Am. Thinker. I'd like to watch that competition. Truth is, I like the NYT EXCEPT for the way they propagandize in their news pages. The fact that their editorials are 1960s-era knee-jerk radical chic is predictable for a Manhattan-based newspaper, and one does not have to read them.

Whole Foods CEO lays out the future of food.�(h/t, Am. Digest)

Is morality important in a partner? Dr. Helen.�Duh.

Culture alters the brain. Of course it does - everything does. And big things effect it a lot.

How do politicians do this? Hillary Clinton's money.

The Canadian human rights scam. Steyn

Elegant bird feeders

You know you're near a bottom when mortgage brokers start jumping off bridges

Hawk killers. CNN Video.�These are bad people.

Re McCain: What's a maverick? Betsy

Success of gun laws: Canadian knife deaths now exceed shootings

Fred: What might have been. Krumm�(h/t, Insty)

Steyn on Bill Clinton in NRO:

Tomasky's missing the point: It's in part�because�"thousands of committed progressives...�went to the mat for him" that he's in a position to�screw you over ten years later. He decided�back then he'd do what was necessary to win. Why would you expect him to behave any differently today? And how deluded do you have to be to think, of all people, Vernon Jordan's going to tell him to cut it out?
I love�the way all these worldly Democratic�sophisticates - the ones who told us "everybody does it" - sound so�sweetly naive at discovering that this time round "everybody" has done it to them. Better get used to a lot more of that.

How the Dems view us, the people, at Moonbattery:

At a healthcare forum in Fremont, loony-left Rep. Pete Stark (D-CA) offered some insight into how his kind view us little people.
Chairman of the House Ways and Means Subcommittee on Health, which oversees Medicare, Stark admitted that Dems are imposing socialized medicine incrementally so that people don't rebel:
If I told voters that we would implement a brand-new health care system on January 1, 2009, I'd be nailed to the front door of the nearest hospital.
Stark questioned why economic freedom should ever be applied to healthcare. He even declared that we have a "right" to force others to pay our doctor bills.

Speaking of which, a quote from this 1970�Time magazine piece about Saul Alinsky:

If the occasion requires, Alinsky's forces will not refrain from spreading rumors about an antagonist or indulging in something that comes very close to blackmail. "Our organizers," he says, "look for the wrong reasons to get the right things done."

Yes, the ends justify the means...For the Left, in my view, there are higher laws than those of morality.

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Financial Armageddon ...day one

Soon you will see more articles talking about a secular bear market as opposed to a cyclical bear market.

Two trillion in derivatives remain hiding in the bushes, poised to unravel, affecting all bourses, including China which has great exposure.

The FED can't help this one, and the Congressional package can't oulaw the stupidity of the banks and mortgage lenders who have driven this last nail into an already tenuous market.

Secular bear market last for years and some speculate that by the end of this one we'll see the DOW at 6,000...

Boomers who bet the rent money and then took out home equity loans will be living in second hand Katrina mobile homes and working into their mid seventies.

I hope those big screen TV's, the Harley, and the Humvee were all worth it.

Also look for GASPROM to squeeze European gas prices in an effort to break the expansion of NATO. Also hope the Chinese don't decide to hack into our energy grids and turn out the lights. So far they've concentrated on our military but it is a maxim to strike where the enemy is the weakest , which is now our economic structure.

Have a nice day. I pray I am way way wrong.

#1 Habu on 2008-01-22 07:42 (Reply)

Culture altering brains.

I believe Habu was trying to make that point to Luther.

#2 Fannon on 2008-01-22 07:59 (Reply)

Could you elaborate a little on that sentence Fannon, I don't quite understand.

#2.1 Luther McLeod on 2008-01-22 11:43 (Reply)

Re: Future food

We also will have an inexhaustible supply of cloned everything.

"Do you want that soft boiled egg cloned or natural?"

But the kicker..."At the turn of the century, Americans were spending close to 50 percent of household income on food, he explained. Today, the figure is closer to 8 percent.

Yeah maybe true,but at the turn of the century taxes at all levels of the economy, local state, and federal didn't add up to over 60% of a persons income either.

February 3, 1913 , a day that should live in infamy was the day Congress ratified the 16th Amendment , thus setting up our income tax. It was at 1% then .

#3 Eli on 2008-01-22 08:18 (Reply)

Bridge jumpers....

" A high-ranking executive of a collapsed subprime mortgage lender jumped to his death from the Delaware Memorial Bridge on Friday, shortly after his wife�s body was found inside their Burlington County home, authorities said.

The deaths of Walter Buczynski, 59, and his wife, Marci, 37

This guy must have been an idiot. Didn't he learn in the 1990's that executives are require by Darwinian Law to siphon off large amounts of cash over time and stash it in the Cayman Islands? Then when the going gets tough and things go south you abandon the wife and kids, grab a trophy playmate and head for parts where no extradition exists?
What a fool.

#4 Pauly on 2008-01-22 08:28 (Reply)

Is morality important in a partner?

Naw...not if it ain't important in civil rights leaders.

"It's better that he find out about her lack of morals now before he is sitting in divorce court, or worse, in a loveless marriage wondering how he missed the warning signs when they were right in front of him all along."

Just remember the words of soulster Johnny Tayor..It's cheaper to keep her.

#5 James on 2008-01-22 08:50 (Reply)

Best to empathize and pimp her out.

#5.1 Leag on 2008-01-22 13:27 (Reply)

Culture/brains...

The Orientals were very slow to the invisible hand of Adam Smith.

The Invisible Hand

Every individual necessarily labors to render the annual revenue of society as great as he can. He generally neither intends to promote the public interest, nor knows how much he is promoting it... He intends only his own gain, and he is, in this, as in many other cases, led by an invisible hand to promote an end which was not part of his intention. Nor is it always the worse for the society that it was no part of it

By pursuing his own interest he frequently promotes that of the society more effectually than when he really intends to promote it. I have never known much good done by those who affected to trade for the public good . From the Wealth of Nations

#6 Dude on 2008-01-22 09:00 (Reply)

Good one.

#6.1 BD on 2008-01-22 09:05 (Reply)

Re; Clinton's money and all of the candidates
Obama is the poorest of all the candidates and he's worth over a $1MM, how can any of these people have a clue as to the average man on the street?

Habu, What about the 75bp rate cut this morning by the Fed?

#7 grant1863 on 2008-01-22 09:27 (Reply)

the 75 basis points shows extreme panic in the Fed..not exactly the best signal to send.

#7.1 Habu on 2008-01-22 09:49 (Reply)

It will not check for any length of time the two trillion plus in global risk associated with the derivatives, especially in China.

Soros is even pessimistic on the unknowns.

Right now the market is melting down but the talking heads are going with the "buy now, things are cheap" ..well, there gonna get alot cheaper. I went to 90% cash and 10% precious metals six months ago. I wouldn't touch a stock right now if the company invented an anti gravity machine....maybe if they came out with an overnight hair growth cream..yeah that would do it.

It wouldn't surprise me to see the market halt trading .

#8 Grant on 2008-01-22 09:46 (Reply)

Luther,

Perhaps this will flesh out your education beyond your myopic focus on Southern axehandles.

These are simply a few examples of how much bus faire the freedom riders could have saved by going south to rub Southerners noses in racial relations.

Philadelphia 1964 race riot
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philadelphia_1964_race_riot

YORK RACE RIOT
http://www.etymonline.com/cw/york.htm

Slavery in the North
http://www.slavenorth.com/index.html

The Tulsa Race Riot of 1921
http://www.mc.cc.md.us/Departments/hpolscrv/VdeLaOliva.html

The 1943 Detroit race riots
http://info.detnews.com/history/story/index.cfm?id=185&category=events

Race Riot in Cairo, Illinois!
http://www.aaregistry.com/african_american_history/1952/Race_Riot_in_Cairo_Illinois

#9 Habu on 2008-01-22 09:54 (Reply)

Well thanks Habu for your attempt at enlightenment of my poor myopic brain. But did you think I was unaware of those riots. And oh such a pleasure to be high and lofty and not have to worry ones self with the more brutal aspects of life. Some did not have that choice.

Though this comment might have been more appropriately placed with the rest of this discussion. You know, so folks could follow along and see the reason for it.

And besides, those riots have nothing to do with the more elemental concepts which we were discussing. Mere chaff in the wind.

#9.1 Luther McLeod on 2008-01-22 12:14 (Reply)

They had everything to do with our discussion, you are just being myopic.

There was obviously more that enough work to be done on their home ground. They chose to harass the Southerns instead of taking care of their own backyard.

It was a cheap, underhanded way of making their point.

Why don't they just return to the motherland and rebuild the most squalid continent on the globe? Surely they have the knowhow to get beyond mud huts, sick villiages, ebola, and the 25,000% they've developed in once thriving Rhodesia.
naw, then they wouldn't get to stay on the gravy train, they 'd have to produce, on their own, results.
Even Oprah could get it right.

But just keep focusing on the Deep South as the nexus of all Negro problems. That'll get it done.

#9.1.1 Habu on 2008-01-22 12:35 (Reply)

That's funny Habu, you, calling me myopic... haha.

So what's your point Habu... that you feel personally wounded and aggrieved that the South was chosen, for various tactical and logistical reasons, over the North for being the centerpiece for resolution and rectification of gross injustice. Or, are you saying that there wasn't gross injustice in the South... no wrongs to be righted. Everything all hunky dory in the ol' shanty.

Who's the 'they' Habu... though I needn't ask. It's funny... your individual points by themselves are perhaps true... but when added together make a rather unseemly whole. I think you missed your chance for the purity you yearn for.

#9.1.1.1 Luther McLeod on 2008-01-22 13:51 (Reply)

Luther,

Myopia is a refractive disorder of the eye, not the brain. But then I suppose if one can't see very far then their world is stunted and shallow in comparison to reality.

Since there's obviously nothing I can learn from you I believe any further discussion on this particular topic is a waste of my time. I do look forward to besting you in the future however.

Best of luck.

#9.1.1.1.1 Habu on 2008-01-22 14:13 (Reply)

Habu,

Myopic used as metaphor. No vision - Eye = Brain. See.

I wasn't trying to 'teach' you anything... I am not particularly enamored of such Quitotean endeavors.

If you consider this a 'besting'... well, my friend, we shall certainly meet again.

Please give my best to the missus...

#9.1.1.1.1.1 Luther McLeod on 2008-01-22 15:56 (Reply)

RE: Knife deaths top shootings in Canada...

Is my understanding or impression that has always been true.

#10 Patina on 2008-01-22 11:44 (Reply)

We saw this morning the FED cut 75 basis points, prior to their regular meeting in just about a week. A sure sign of panic since it's been like forever since they've cut that deeply outside of a regular meeting.

Secondly we're hearing from Washington that the Dems and the Reps are sprinting to get a package put together to help the economy. They're doing this in an election year which is unheard of. Election years are traditional times of finger pointing about whose fault it is for the mess we're in, not comity and cooperation ..this is a SURE sign of panic.

The international markets are slowing with the European markets off more than 20%, which puts then squarely in Bear country, and we don't know if the bear is secular or cyclical.

We've been in the sub prime mess for over a year now and the three most prevalent assumptions are beginning to come unhinged.
#1 The Fed would cover the problem
#2 Foreign market would cover the problem
#3 Globally corporate profits would remain high

All three are failing at the moment. The FED's jump into massive liquidity takes time to move through the markets, usually a minimum of 12 months.

Carpe scrotum !

#11 Habu on 2008-01-22 13:17 (Reply)

Habu,

Carpe your own empty scrotum and offer some fine detail and proof if you insist on this kind of hyperbole.

#12 Meta on 2008-01-22 13:28 (Reply)

It would be wasted on you. Insisting on proof in global economics? Meta, stick to whatever you do, which I'm confident you're adequate at doing.

#12.1 Habu on 2008-01-22 13:50 (Reply)

Meta, when you ask questions like you just did it exposes you as unsophisticated in even the rudiments of economics and terribly behind the curve in staying current with the financial world.

While habu may not be a diplomat I think he's got you covered.

#12.2 Suzanne on 2008-01-22 13:58 (Reply)

Suzanne,

I just got even richer today. sigh.....

But, shucks!... You know, I think I'll go buy. It's a good day for that.

Oh.. You might want to look up 'hyperbole'.

#12.2.1 Meta on 2008-01-22 14:02 (Reply)

"Insisting on proof in global economics?"

Thank you for proving my point. So cut the know-it-all crap - which seems to be whatever you do in all your various incarnations.

What's the matter? Finding yourself meaningless in retirement splitting your personality?

I hope you bought gold. Oh, and the market is rebounding...

#13 Meta on 2008-01-22 13:58 (Reply)

Good luck in working through your challenges. Any further time spent working you over verbally is simply lost time.

Have a nice day.

BTW. You may want enlighten yourself on non sequiturs.
That's Latin for "it does not follow". If you try real hard, or maybe solicit some help when the guy drops off the frozen burger patties and fries you can figure out where you went wrong.

#13.1 Habu on 2008-01-22 14:27 (Reply)

I hope he bought gold. It's beaten the hell out of the market and today it's up from 860 to 900 today.

#14 Peter on 2008-01-22 15:26 (Reply)

I dislike hyperbole. In fact, i've told myself a billion times to stay away from it.

#15 buddy larsen on 2008-01-22 15:43 (Reply)

re black people -- they aren't exactly johnny-come-lately to America.

The Revolution and the Constitution were fought out and put together over a long period of time led in large part by white farmers who without a labor force back home running the farm, would've been harnessed to a plow or supervising paid day-laborers (if they could be found) rather than able to travel to Philly and stay there as long as it took to perfect the founding documents.

Washington himself would not likely have been available, if he hadn't had Mount Vernon covered by some number of the 20% of the colonial population that was black and almost all engaged in working the prosperous farms.

And though not all of the Founders were planters with slaves in the fields, the townies among them were themselves also made avaialable for the enterprise by leading lives other than hand-to-mouth. That is to say they too were beneficiaries of a prosperous agrarian economy.

I guess one could opine that the Founders, bereft of that labor force, would've found some other way to come together (on horseback, 20 miles a day), stay in place off and on basically for a decade in order to properly debate, advise and consent, and enact the plans for and execution of the successful prosecution of the Revolution and the founding of the nation, but that would be to engage in the fantasy of alternate history rather than to contemplate the meaning of the actual history.

I say all this in full knowledge that I'll likely be savaged as a PC zombie regurgitating the Marxo line -- but that's what happens when someone else goes too far in the opposite extreme and rouses the impulse to present more of the history.

My point is, the race problems in this country need to focus on the real problem, which is that one of the major political parties, in order to procure & hold captive voters, has engaged for fifty years now in subverting any natural evolution of civic virtue. What has happened is that the tools of democracy have been misused, just as so many opponents as well as proponents of the system have either feared or desired, as the case may be.
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#16 buddy larsen on 2008-01-22 16:26 (Reply)

How does one tell what the "natural evolution of civic virtue" would be?

#16.1 Merlin on 2008-01-22 17:34 (Reply)

You know the answer to that -- when a person lives in a culture that rewards virtue and punishes its lack, that person is more inclined to 'positive' rather than 'negative' behavior. That's where the "natural" comes from.

The "evolution" comes from a form of Gresham's Law, which observes cause & effect and posits the axiom that 'good begets good while bad begets bad'.

"Civic" is obvious, and "virtue" is self-explanatory.

You're not being disingenuous, are you?

#16.1.1 buddy larsen on 2008-01-22 18:06 (Reply)

Oh if meanings were so simply defined, one could overlook the views on evolution of the ancient Greeks, in particular Empedocles, Epicurious, and Lucretious, not to mention Plato and Aristotle.

Or one could skip the medieval musings of St Augustine or Nicholas of Cusa.

Modernity presents us with a wider challenge from Leibniz, Decartes, Herder,Goethe,Kant,Hegel, Darwin and Herbert Spencer and the hodos ano and hodos kato of Hericlitus that Spencer mirrored. The flowing of the individual after attaining perfect balance passes into dissolution to simply develop again in a different epoch.

Your compression of 2,000 years of the discussion of evolution would appear to fall short of some others� explanations

It is similarly a vigorous task to define virtue.

Owning slaves in colonial America was as common as it had been throughout the history of man. The Negro played an important part in providing the citizens the labor necessary to do the brainwork needed to build our nation. In fact George Washington's constant companion was Billy Lee, a Negro who was considered the equal of Washington on horseback, and Washington in that area was considered to have no peer. He was indispensable to Washington. Yes, the Negro has played an important and even vital role in establishing this nation.

Too bad the Democratic party kept them indentured for the better part of a century, passing laws that forced the breakup of the family unit and manipulated them for the scoring of their vote.

#16.1.1.1 Merlin on 2008-01-22 20:17 (Reply)

well, we agree on the important part.

As far as those definitions, please forgive my 'blog comment' brevity.

Anyone could of course wax fulsome as his or her fancy might be, and pack dozens or even hundreds of inches of thread with split-haired angels dancing feverishly on the heads of pins, but the paralysis of analysis indeed degrades momentum, and except perhaps when one is writing to oneself, brevity is the soul of wit.

#16.1.1.1.1 buddy larsen on 2008-01-22 22:16 (Reply)

What's with the name-dropping, Habu? Are you becoming incapable of original thought as it seems over the past twenty-four hours with your rantings and racist remarks piggy-backed on your perspective of history?

Right or wrong: That's the issue. It's that simple, yet you bring in the Greeks and other literary characters... for what purpose? And speaking of the Greeks, what about their leaders and oft-quoted philosophers? You do know they each possessed young plebeian boys to sodomize. It was accepted practice and yet MLK is trash because he had questionable morals?

Get it together old man and try making an original statement about posts instead of aiming to show how smart you are or to take down another commenter.

#16.1.1.1.2 Luther McLeod on 2008-01-22 22:23 (Reply)

Luther,

Few of us ever have an original thought. Usually it's some restatement of what other scholars we have read and studied have written. You aren't close to one to speak about original thought, given your obvious limited scholarship.

So you write in the manner you chose to and I'll take care of my production. Should it not meet with your approbation then simply ignore it. I don't know you, could care less of your life situation, and really don't care what you think of me.
I'm supremely confident in my accomplishments and abilities. You mean nothing to me. You're simply words on a screen, no more, no less.

#16.1.1.1.2.1 Habu on 2008-01-22 22:48 (Reply)

And thus your attitude toward this country and the greater world Habu. Your vanity negates any good you might hold. Your pretension, even if scholarly gained, no more than barnyard leavings for as much good as it does. Your arrogance far surpasses your usefulness.

The owners of the blog evidently see differently. I will in future do as you suggest... ignore you, and all your many contrived characters. Lump them all together and one is still left with nothing of true substance. Words on a screen, indeed.

All the best to you and the missus...

Semper Fidelis...

#16.1.1.1.2.1.1 Luther McLeod on 2008-01-22 23:48 (Reply)

youse guys is gettin' purty pissed off at each other, ain't ya -- unless y'all are both laffing yore asses off as you write, which is what i imagine y'all 'r doin'.

#16.1.1.1.2.1.1.1 buddy larsen on 2008-01-23 00:04 (Reply)

I can say with all the sang froid in my body that I am not in the least moved to emotion by Luthers postings.

Schadenfreude would better describe my observation of mankind, be it visited on me, which it has on occasion, or others, which I much prefer.

I have been ,done ,and seen enough to appreciate MacBeth,
that
"To-morrow, and to-morrow, and to-morrow,
Creeps in this petty pace from day to day
To the last syllable of recorded time,
And all our yesterdays have lighted fools
The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle!
Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage
And then is heard no more: it is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing."

To the last syllable of recorded time.

#16.1.1.1.2.1.1.1.1 Habu on 2008-01-23 00:34 (Reply)

A great speech, but critical to its understanding is that it is literature, that is, tho written by the bard, it carries the conceit that it is not the unseen author but a character (Macbeth) invented by him who is saying it -- and saying it in the context of just having learned of the death of Lady Macbeth, whom, for
all her flaws, he loved deeply. The words are his immediate response -- abject despair. Macbeth, once the most honored of Duncan's generals, is now (at the time he says the words)despised and reviled by all, and is living under siege in a rotting castle, his servants craven and fearful, and his once-proud wife driven to madness and death by her own guilt. No wonder Macbeth sounds so sick of it all.

#16.1.1.1.2.1.1.1.1.1 buddy larsen on 2008-01-23 10:36 (Reply)

Wiki has a nice breakdown of the professions of the founders etc.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Founding_Fathers_of_the_United_States

#17 Geoff on 2008-01-22 17:22 (Reply)

In the preposterous event that we ("we" would be, presumably, the descendants of the northern European Protestant settlers who formed the front crust of Manifest Destiny) would send away back to their ancestral homelands the American minorities traditionally irritant of nativists, then gone would be jazz & blues --the only American music--back to black Africa, and gone too would be American entertainment--comedy, broadway, performing arts, film--and much of our science and literature, back to Israel in the Levant.

Then, with all the commotion settled down and the aggravations cured, we Nordics could all relax, and perhaps retire quietly to our hay barns out on the snowbound prairies, where in splendid isolation and blessedly all alone we could while away our days muttering to ourselves, cleaning our shotguns, and drinking whiskey until we stare bloodshot-eyed and stupified out our grimy windows at the sun setting red on the empty horizon, waiting for something, anything, be it springtime, a dinner bell, or death.

#18 buddy larsen on 2008-01-22 23:27 (Reply)

Would this take place in todays world? If so your propositions are fanciful. The world is a very small place. I'm confident jazz played in the Congo Club in Brazzaville would filter into the states. Likewise all the other components you mentioned.
Maybe Paul Simon could do another Graceland African CD.

You seem to be implying that the descendants of the Enlightenment thinkers, the Henry Fords, Thomas Edisons and Bill Gates would evaporate because African Americans en mass returned to their beloved, never to be hyphenated again, homeland. That the Bing Crosby's, Sinatras, Cole Porters, Irving Berlins, etc would never be replaced by others of similar talents. I can't begin to buy that.

What we might lose are the 100% illegitimate birthrates among blacks in Detroit. The 25% of the black male population in jail or on parole. The black on white crime which is nine times higher than white on black crimes. (see FBI stats).not to mention the black on black crime...we'd lose Rap "artists", mores the pity.
We'd lose the pleasure of spending trillions on supporting the permanent black ghettos that defy renovation.

Splendid isolation ..muttering to ourselves ....give me a break. When segregation was the order of the day did America cease functioning? Please.
To further dent your dysfunctional analysis take a look at pre and post colonial Africa and what has happened to each sub Saharan now African run country..see any prosperity?
Look at Zimbabwe today versus when it was Rhodesia. Today it has an inflation rate of 25,000% and recently minted a one million dollar bill that won't even buy a hamburger.
Nope we'd still have jazz.

#18.1 Habu on 2008-01-23 00:21 (Reply)

yeh--i know -- i wuz just trying to lighten up a tad & look on the brite side -- i thought the ingmar bergman-ish melancholy dane sittin in his barn drunk was a sorta humorous image.

One idea, though, habu, that may help us see this thing more clearly (and i mean this in all good will and seriousness, and for all, me included, not just you) might be, that keeping in mind that individual cognition and awareness are (as we all well know) tricky and highly subjective living things that always masquerade as hard and objective reality, you could try a thought experiment wherein you pretend you are some race other than caucasian, and that you're sharply critical of and negative toward caucasians.

Ok, now in this frame of mind, see how many themes, how many categories of hot hortatory material, you can derive in say five minutes, toward the goal of pamphleteering against "whitey".

After five minutes, stop, and note how easy it was to indict wholesale on the basis of identity politics -- a frame which happens to be, as you know, a major meme weapon of left-wing ideology.

#18.1.1 buddy larsen on 2008-01-23 10:17 (Reply)

Funny you should mention that experiment. In my callow youth as a grad student taking classes with no more than ten people in them one of our tasks was exactly that. Now the tenor of the times was certainly different, much more volitile and as mention I was just a callow youth.
But I wrote a scathing indictment of white society culminating in all manner of justifications for the Black Panthers and how I would be burning down cities such as happened in the Watts riots of '65. I believe somewhere in my papers I stilll have that particular piece.

But almost forty years later, and the intervening experiences of observing the black to African American to what ever name they choose now have built not a reservoir of respect but a disdain for their continued theme of victimization. Once they desired integration, and we integrated, bussed and spent trillions on attempting to make the integration successful. Almost immediately they became separatists, demanding reparations and increasing their damnation of the evil white devil.
Their entire being was their blackness and how they could guilt white America into greater and greater programs favoring them. Quotas, race norming of tests, the list continues and costs trillions. It is inequitable to have generations of whites who never owned a slave and who supported integration to continue to be bollixed under the rubric of "You're white, therefore you are guilty and will always remain responsible for our victim hood"..that's bull shit and most whites are well aware it's bull shit.

Observation ,study,wisedom and age all go into my OODA ( consult Wiki) decision making process in evaluating the current black experience. They've had over fifty years of babydoll treatment and produced very little. My sympathies for their blight are exhausted and turned as calcine as the desert. I still take people one at a time but as a race they have failed themselves miserably and show few signs of making the correct choices necessary to remedy their condition. Let's just say I have total compassion fatigue for their blight as a race circa 2008.

#18.1.1.1 Habu on 2008-01-23 11:10 (Reply)

But my point was not the white nor the black articles of indictment (which along with everyone else on the planet I well know), but that if whites has done plenty of good things which are absent from the identity-politics bill of particulars, so have blacks.

When you indict a race rather the the behavior of a portion of its members, you're essentially "norming'' deviancy -- the very deviancy you decry as exceptional.

This is separatist thought -- the same separatism you condemned in your above post. Furthermore, it's war talk -- the logical action end of separatism.

Are we there yet? I don't think so, because if we were there would be no need to ask the question. Everywhere in our society blacks and whites work together and live together and shop together and accept each other without a second thought. The black middle class is growing rapidly, and black small-biz entrepreneurs are everywhere.

What you're talking about is a subculture, a dead-end gangsta segment of urban society. And yeah its bad, i agree with you.

But I don't agree with guilt-by-association, which is against the American ideal and is a totalitarian control mechanism which, in the particular case, gratuitously and destructively alienates the very people who have to power to repair the behavior of their own deviant subculture.

#18.1.1.1.1 buddy larsen on 2008-01-23 14:19 (Reply)

"But I don't agree with guilt-by-association" .. that is a fine sentiment and genuine nostrum the fallacy of which is diamond pure.

We are judged by the company we keep. You hang with the Hell's Angels you're branded, you hang with the Boy Scouts , you're branded. Elks Club, Rotarians, Masons, the list is endless and it defines our individuality by the groups we associate with. Certainly not all Catholic priests are pedophiles but enough have surfaced to give one pause to leave there child unattended with one.

How often do you stroll the ghettos of Dallas with your wife, safe in the belief that those you see in that environment are simply innocent and should be judged individually...fact is you don't stroll the ghetto because you have determined a priori a guilt by association is in full play.

I no longer attempt to give the benefit of the doubt to those my experience alerts me to being sufficiently different from myself to warrant a casualness of proximity that we once could enjoy. It's too dangerous a world for that now.

They may indeed not be guilty by their association but I prefer to profile even the innocent. In today's world you can't afford to be wrong even once.

#18.1.1.1.1.1 Habu on 2008-01-24 01:30 (Reply)

Well-written reply, but based on a cherry-pick.

To wit: when in a danger zone, of course all strangers are suspect.

But to hold that the whole race is homogenous, you'd have to be threatened -- statistically, by-the-numbers, not emotionally, not by 'feelings' -- in a black middle-class neighborhood, or by blacks in any other areas besides the urban ghettos.

#18.1.1.1.1.1.1 buddy larsen on 2008-01-24 11:12 (Reply)

"But to hold that the whole race is homogenous, you'd have to be threatened -- statistically, by-the-numbers, not emotionally, not by 'feelings' -- in a black middle-class neighborhood, or by blacks in any other areas besides the urban ghettos."

First their exists no more homogenous group in this country than the black population..at least a group with over a 10 million in population.

Secondly there is such a thing as a force multiplier. To "cherry pick" an example was the jury nullification in the OJ Simpson murder trial. The man was clearly guilty but an all black jury made the entire proceeding a nullity based on his race, not on the evidence. The other force multiplier is the recidivist rate in black criminality...fathers , sons ,uncles and brothers in the 80% area all either in jail,on parole, or awaiting trial. Each one with a criminal skills to pass on to future generations. The HUGE exception are those blacks who are from the Caribbean area, who ,like Colin Powell excel.

And if you chose not to walk the "ghetto" then chose a night of simply strolling the city streets of any large metropolitan area at night. I'm not sure your instinct for survival would record any dramatically deviant readings from walking in the ghetto should you pass within the immediate proximity of a black.
I am fully in favor of racial profiling. Am I for wholesale, !00% indictment of the black community as deplorable? No. I would however place the figure in the 80% bracket. And this after forty years and trillions on integrating them into society.

#18.1.1.1.1.1.1.1 Habu on 2008-01-24 15:20 (Reply)

Well, we're making progress here -- now it's only 80% deportables, not 100%.
Now we're out of theology, and into
politics.
Or as my cousin Stutterin' Sam calls it, "p-p-politics".

#18.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1 buddy larsen on 2008-01-24 17:53 (Reply)

It is progress. Poor Meta thinks I'm everybody, including Leag or however he/she spells her/his name. Hell 99% of the time I can't figure out what Leag is saying.

Samantha does have good recipes and I just posted a thank you to Meta acknowledging me as a blogging savant.

I guess if she took the time to note the posting times she would soon discover I'm not all she thinks I am but she's actually being pretty cool about the whole thing ...like I said she has moxie and I like that.

#18.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1 Habu on 2008-01-24 19:37 (Reply)

yeh -- she's a good un -- lotsa fun & smart as a whip -- hope she don't read this, i'll be embarrassed --

#18.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1 buddy larsen on 2008-01-24 20:38 (Reply)

and note how easy it was to indict wholesale on the basis of identity politics ..... too bad we weren't doing more of that on 9/11 ....

One thing I learned, and learned quickly is that other cultures are much more tribal than the USA. In Laos, Cambodia , and Vietnam children could kill you just as easily as an adult. Identity matters a great deal, and if you get out in Indian country and forget that you're a dead man.

Should this country ever have a systemic break in the thin veneer of civilization it will be whites versus people of color for that is the easiest way to stay alive.

#18.1.1.2 Habu on 2008-01-23 14:06 (Reply)

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