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Thursday, August 2. 2007Thursday Morning LinksYes, it was spooky that we posted the Tacoma Narrows bridge collapse video yesterday. Sympathy for Hitler, in the UK? This could be a dubious news item. Westerners claim federal rules make wildfires worse. I have no problem with wildfires anyway. They are natural and necessary. Finding relatives lost in institutions "Promoting Diversity and Love with an iron fist", from Hot Air, via Dust My Broom:
Farming the government. Factory farming and federal subsidies. View from 1776 Fun with Chomsky. Attack Machine Is Iraq ready for self-governance? Rick Moran is fed up. LaShawn says that the fight against voter ID shows contempt for blacks. Where I vote, you have to show an ID with an address.
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Salt decay? Lots of snow in Minneapolis. Look at older bridge still standing next to it. Analyze differences.
re:Rick Moran's righteous anger, maybe those politicians have the idea that it's a peek of office. Think congressional recess. Think recent corruption scandals in CT, Alaska, etc. Let he among you ago is without sin...
But overall I agree w Rick. Make those ungrateful so and spa carry our brave male and female soldier's packs for the summer. Caddying for democracy! RE: I have no problem with wildfires anyway. They are natural and necessary.
A bit flippant there NJ. since wildfires do not seem to be natural or necessary in Massachusetts. Cough....cough. Scuse me. Smoke is getting thick. Some of the problems out west does stem from the resource being owned and managed by huge government departments. In Western USA and Canada they sometimes do a fairly poor job of managing it. Look at the scale of the resource. Yankees may not see how big it is. The Ministry of Forests in BC owns almost all of it and the Feds in the USA, most of it. You BC folks have a really good urban-wildfire interface capability. You, LA County, and the Aussies. The best. Of necessity.
Speaking of resource management in the west. Would somebody please tell/show me how to find out who (what?)owns the greatest portion of Plum Creek Timber? I would appreciate references to whatever SEC sites are appropriate--however, I believe it is privately held--is that correct?
Thank you Tough to find out. It is listed on the NYSE as PCL. Don't know if BNSF railroad still owns part of it as a result of the original Northern Pacific land grant. Plum Creek is a Real Estate Investment Trust (REIT) and there are limitations on how much an individual can control. I believe 50% of the outstanding stock can not be controlled by five or fewer individuals.
Sympathize with you, Patina. Am praying for heavy rain. Perhaps my ancestors' rain dances would be more effectual than wimpy 20th century suburban supplications, tho!?
Our 100 year old eyrie is completely surrounded by forest for miles. Used to be farmland, but uneconomic to work any more. One natural and necessary lightning strike at the wrong time and we cough with you,even if we do not get crispy toasted! Excuse blackberry predictive text typos above... If you live in the woods, you get wild fire.
If you live in the desert, you get drought. If you live near the water, you get floods. If you live in the city, you get mugged. Just plain reality. Waste of energy to complain about reality. BD, you and the NJ are remarkably detached from other people's troubles. Billy for you. May you sleep well thru fire, famine and flood. Works for you!
If you live around or sick up to rich @*#@oles long enough, you take on many of their attributes Was not complaining about a risk that I well understand and ask nobody to bail me out of, but rather describing the way things are. An expression of sympathy with someone facing a worse but somewhat similar situation to one's own immediate one is not the same as a complaint... Not unsympathetic at all. It's just that people should be not surprised when bad things happen occasionally. People should expect them to happen, because they will.
Retriever,
Are you seriously comparing the worlds oldest and most successful representative democracy to one attempting to establish itself with the blood and treasure of our nation? Golly I hope not. There is cause for righteous indignation on our part as the Iraqi government takes a vacation. It is also an interesting observation of your mindset to accuse BD and NJ of being remarkably detached from other peoples troubles AND then proceed to pronounce that you are "but rather describing the way things are" I am now glad to know that when I read your words they will be ones coming from the delphic arbiter who with crystal clarity knows above others "the way things are" You got some hutzpah. BD was being philosophical, and got bit by R, who was in a different, more immediate mode. Such are the limitations of the medium (pronounced me, loftily).
:-D Thanks skook:
Given their holdings in MT, and given that they have recently announced that timber is now a secondary effort and that land sales is their primary focus, you will understand why it is helpful to know who all the players are. The entire western half of the state seems to be up for sale by Plum Creek. Is there some place one can find out who owns the REIT? Don't know. You might start by looking at the various filings that are probably on the Plum Creek website, though they might not tell you much.
I think the iraqi politicians are scum. But so are most of ours. It goes with the territory.
I apologise if my "the way things are" gave the impression that I thought more of myself than I do. Unfortunate shorthand while walking. But no point arguing with those.determined to dismiss. If I say I live in an area prone to forest fires and that that is "the way things are" it was certainly not done with any Delphic pretensions Have work to do. Will leave you to your Happy He Man Woman-Hater's Club.. Sincere apologies if I misunderstood. I didn't have a dog in that kerfuffle anyway so it would have been best if I had remained silent.
I am not a Woman Hater. Habu, sorry to be such a crank. A wreck today because of non-blog-related stuff. Seeking distraction, but ending up being a pill. Awful family news about someone who is in trouble but whom I cannot go help. Am savage as a result...
He Man Woman Hater's Club is what one daughter (a fan) and I fondly call the blog, referring to our favorite old "Little Rascals" shows... My daughters and I call ourselves the Amazon Man Haters as we prepare delectable meals for our menfolk, but want them out of the kitchen while we do so... 'Tis I who owe the apology. It was not my a place to shoot my mouth off.
I hope your day picks up for you. Best Habu I would like to introduce a new item to consider. I am writing to ask if any of the other gals have insights as to how to develop a working, respectful, and caring friendship with younger professional gals. I seem to be running into this age barrier thing--and don't quite know how to deal with it. Maybe the guys have some insights as to how they "make friends" with younger men.
You're right, Buddy, and kind not to simply say "that bitch!"
Near tears at bad family news and growling ferociously at all. Off to my crate... Retriever, there’s only one Delphic pretentious pretender here, and that would be the pile o dog sh*t commenter and former admirer of a male person here who shoveled her o’er the fence several times and than lambasted her for not enjoying the sport and for misdeeds imagined, b/c a real man and his pals must project their bitter disappointment over an affair not gone right with someone not quite right onto a loyal bystander boob. The boob, she who is not worthy of direct email communication and who is the subject of the evils of selective narrative in self-serving selected opinion and who is compared to beast, bugs and RNMs, should know her place better than that.
And that person, dear Retriever, isn’t you. ‘Twas mere projection, and you got in the way by having an opinion and standing up for yourself. Lie low for a while and all will be well. They’ll make it up to you in order to isolate the “real” offender. Hilegard, be a sweet dear and please bring me the Rosetta Stone as I am developing a headache attempting to decipher the offering of one of the bloggers. It must be the half pint of laudanum I took right after brunch. I'm sure the writer is sensible I just can't ........oh hell Heldy just bring me more laudanum .....
“Laudanum is an opium tincture, sometimes sweetened with sugar and also called wine of opium.
“In the 16th century, Paracelsus experimented with the medical value of opium. He decided that its medical (analgesic) value was of such magnitude that he called it Laudanum, from the Latin laudare, to praise, or from labdanum, the term for a plant extract. He did not know of its addictive properties. “In the 19th century, laudanum was used in many patent medicines to "relieve pain... to produce sleep... to allay irritation... to check excessive secretions... to support the system... [and] as a sudorific".[citation needed] The limited pharmacopoeia of the day meant that opium derivatives were among the most efficacious of available treatments, and so laudanum was widely prescribed for ailments from colds to meningitis to cardiac diseases, in both adults and children. Laudanum was used during the yellow fever epidemic. “The Romantic and Victorian eras were marked by the widespread use of laudanum in Europe, and the United States. Initially a working class drug, laudanum was cheaper than a bottle of gin or wine, because it was treated as a medication for legal purposes and not taxed as an alcoholic beverage…. “Innumerable Victorian women were prescribed the drug for relief of menstrual cramps and vague aches and used it to achieve the pallid complexion associated with tuberculosis (frailty and paleness were particularly prized in females at the time). Nurses also spoon-fed laudanum to infants.” http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laudanum You're definitely correct, so if any of you have any just send it..General Delivery, Rosetta Stoned, Paradise Valley,AZ.
I'll tend to it's disposal so it doesn't fall into the wrong hands. Thanks retriever and apple pie for all your recent kind thoughts and comments. They are a most pleasant surprise and greatly appreciated and sorry to hear you are having a bad time today r. Persevere. When life goes sideways I try to take some comfort and joy in small things, like cats.
Skook you are 100% right about the fire crews. Saw some of them in town yesterday. They are first class, all the way. It is dangerous, treacherous, ugly work and they are pros. BD you are not exactly wrong but you are not exactly right either. The smoke from the large fires will affect people hundreds of miles away from the woods. Disaster can and does affect others at a distance, i.e., New Orleans has had 'ripple' effects on the whole country. The idea is to mitigate. Also, are you calling me a whiner because if you are calling me a whiner....well, sic 'em again retriever. ha. kidding. As for some of the last posts on this thread....Whoa. Shades of the Summer of '67. WTH? Woman haters? I do not believe so. This is, after all, the internet so I could be very, very wrong. Some men here are might be a bit woman stupid, just as women can be regarding men, IMHO, but not haters. That's right, Patina! Real men and women appreciaters should refuse to communicate directly via email with those Really Bad Women who wrong them with every other thing they say and who can't apologize enough. The silent treatment is just straightforward maturity, plain and simple. God forbid people communicate with one another in fora other than through embedded rude jabs in posts and comments, eh? We're lovers and shamers, not haters and forgivers.
Anyway, Retriever's quickly off the hot spot as predicted. I used to smoke. Never regret giving them up. But that picture--that picture--geez, does that bring back memories. I used to splurge once a week and get a very good pack of British Cigaretts. I vaguely recall that package, but can't read the name. Anybod know what kind those are?
Accusing nobody of whining. Just making the general point that, as the old bumper sticker says, "SHIT HAPPENS." Indeed it does, to all of us.
However, for environmental and conservation reasons, I have no problem with forest fires, and believe that fire suppression is ultimately dangerous: you end up with deeper forest litter and thus hotter fires. The only people who benefit from fire suppression are logging companies. Very broadly, yes, some fires should burn. It is true that we suppress fires that would otherwise occur naturally. And it is also true that a forest in which fires are normally suppressed accumulates fuel to create hotter fires when it finally does burn. At the same time, the population growth in the inland West over the past 30 years is such that we can't simply let all fires burn unchecked without loss of life and damage to communities. Some we can allow to burn to some degree - like Yellowstone. Others we can't.
Vinod Khosla received construction permits from the state of Georgia a couple of weeks ago. They will soon begin constructing a forestry waste to Ethanol Refinery. This will change the way we maintain our forests, forever.
Companies will be lining up to bid for the right to clear the underbrush from your woods. Your main problem will be keeping a few tender shoots for the deer and wabbits to feed on. Wildfires will, definitely become less of a problem. Interesting Rufus. I would hope to see somebody at least make some pellets for pellet stoves from what is literally millions of truck loads of insect damaged trees, as they are all very likely to burn anyways.
Patina, there is some of that going on in the NE as we speak. I don't remember where I read it, but if I find it I'll let you know.
Thanks Rufus.
BD, loggers, mill workers, ship builders, home owners and guitar makers can also benefit when logging companies benefit. Here is a good old logging song and some cool old video and a fun cartoon too. The Log Drivers Waltz http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPDi9DzihrE |