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Great Frost of 1709: The Coldest Winter in 500 Years Killed 600,000
QUOTE: Everything froze over, from Scandinavia to Italy, and Russia. . . . People suffered the frostiest phase of the past 10,000 years, and many died. Even in Portugal, rivers froze and palm trees sank in the snow. Throughout Europe, frozen fish floated in the water, deer lay dead in the meadows, livestock froze to death in the stables, and birds fell to the ground like stones. . . .It was especially during the night of January 5 to 6, 1709 that temperatures plummeted to -16°C (3°F) in Paris and -25°C (-13°F) in the Beauce, France region, with the cold reaching as far as the Pyrenees on January 7; in the Bordeaux region, the thermometer remained at -18°C (0°F) for two months. After this cold episode, which continued until the 24th, a fresh cold wave came on February 4th and lasted for one week. It then returned from the 22nd to the end of the month and again from March 10th to the 15th. . . . All European rivers, including the Seine, the Rhone, and even the Ofanto, froze. The fate of lakes and lagoons was the same: heavy carts crossed Lake Garda, which was a unique historical event, just as they did in the Venetian Lagoon. Even the sea was not spared, and ships became trapped in the icy Mediterranean ports of Genoa and Marseille. https://malevus.com/great-frost-of-1709/ "Historic decline in IQ could stem from"
Massive immigration both legal and illegal from shithole countries!!! The IQ test has a major fault. It doesn't really test IQ it tests knowledge. The test assumes that we were all taught specific things and then tests what the individual learned or retained. The simple fact is that we are not all taught those things that the IQ test is based on. If you tested two individuals with the same actual IQ and one went to a better school and took classical and STEM courses and the other went to a trade school taking courses associated with his trade of choice, the trade school student would likely score 20 points or so below the classical education student. But which one could change your tire or fix things around the house? Even the worst example of intelligence, the sub 80 IQ person could improve their IQ by 20 points. They wouldn't really be smarter, well maybe a little smarter. They would simply have been instructed on those things that the IQ test is based on. They would likely even speak better and be able to write as well as VP Harris. But their mind, their basic intelligence wouldn't have changed. They would still be the same person with a better education. You are right about immigration and dysgenics having an effect, but not the IQ tests. Except at the extremes, of cultures that don't even know what a test, especially a paper-and-pencil test is, the IQ tests do measure aptitude, not learning. They measure horsepower, which pisses off a lot of psych majors who didn't do well on their SATs, so they use smoke and mirrors to convince us that they somehow measure "test-taking ability."
A favorite psychiatrist of mine (who had done well on standardised tests of all kinds) protested to me that there was a knack that you picked up from taking the tests. I agreed, but smirked that some people picked up that knack after one exposure. A PhD psychologist with forty years of testing agreed that there were people who took those tests more often than average who still never figured it out. The three of us were alone and the psychiatrist said "I know, but I've learned never to say that. Especially in front of my wife." "Historic decline in IQ could stem from poor education, study shows"
If ever there was an example of a self-verifying headline...... Exactly. A genetic explanation is not even imagined. But it "might be...might be...might be..." everything they have been assuming for three generations.
Sure there are environmental influences at the extreme. Don't starve your children. Don't drop them on their heads. Don't let them eat lead paint. Don't let them be raised by wolves (It's hard to find wolves willing to take the job these days anyway). Assistant Village Idiot: Exactly. A genetic explanation is not even imagined.
Quite the contrary. Before Flynn, genetics was the standard explanation for differences in IQ tests. However, genetics can't explain the rapid increase in IQs over the twentieth century. Furthermore, consider someone like Louis Armstrong. Armstrong revolutionized music; fused the blues with nascent jazz, put virtuoso improvisation at the center of music, developed the first uniquely American singing style with extensive use of scat, and most of all, he made it swing. Armstrong was a genius of the first order, one whose influence rivals that of Mozart and Beethoven, but someone with a poor education who probably wouldn't test well. The genetic explanation was not even imagined for this paper, and nearly all recent papers. The genetic explanation was laughed at when I was at school in the 1970s and Jensen was condemned for it in the 60s. So you changed the subject, but would have been wrong anyway.
As for the Flynn Effect, there is a great deal to say which I shall not bother with here. For the purposes of brief discussion, there IS some possibility that exposure to tests and education in general has pushed up scores at the lower end of the distribution, which is where most of the Flynn effect is. That the rise is general also suggests that there is something of test artifact. However, the difference between individuals WITHIN a society has not been tied to any environmental factor convincingly. The rise in each nation separately is on schedule with a generation after widespread war trauma, which would surely fit my definition of "extreme." There has been a leveling, even a downturn, in developed countries since the 90s. The Flynn effect continues in developing countries, which have generally been exposed to more warfare. Though even that does not seem to affect the upper ranges. The general growth of communication has also provided a much more stimulating environment worldwide and one school of thought believes this has led to greater expressed intelligence because of speed, though not greater intelligence as we usually think of it. Assistant Village Idiot: The genetic explanation was not even imagined for this paper, and nearly all recent papers.
That's because genetic evolution can't account for the rapid change observed over just decades. Assistant Village Idiot: For the purposes of brief discussion, there IS some possibility that exposure to tests and education in general has pushed up scores at the lower end of the distribution, which is where most of the Flynn effect is. The Flynn Effect is a shift of the bell curve (within observational margins). Assistant Village Idiot: That the rise is general also suggests that there is something of test artifact. Newer generations do much better on the old tests than older generations did. The Flynn Effect is a real and substantial rise in tested IQs. Assistant Village Idiot: However, the difference between individuals WITHIN a society has not been tied to any environmental factor convincingly. And yet, the difference in IQs between whites and Blacks has decreased over time. Assistant Village Idiot: The rise in each nation separately is on schedule with a generation after widespread war trauma, which would surely fit my definition of "extreme." The so-called Flynn Effect was first noted by E.A. Runquist in 1936, then further studied by other researchers of the period. See Runquist, Intelligence test scores and school marks in 1928 and 1933, School & Society 1936. Keep in mind that once upon a time, reading was considered a specialized skill only available to superior minds undergoing extensive training. Assistant Village Idiot: The general growth of communication has also provided a much more stimulating environment worldwide It's hard to prove causation, but that is certainly a strong hypothesis.
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There is a theory that human intelligence is broadly declining in the long term because of reduced infant mortality, which spares many from being selected out by ongoing genetic mutations (almost always, as far as makes no difference, damaging, despite the claims of the evolutionists); and which are most frequent in the organ that is the most complex, the central nervous system.
DeGaulle: There is a theory that human intelligence is broadly declining in the long term because of reduced infant mortality
That is contradicted by the Flynn Effect, or at least the signal is overwhelmed by the Flynn Effect. Furthermore, humans have been taking care of one another since time immemorial. For instance, there is a fossil of a stone age man who had severely deformed legs. Examination of the legs showed that the man had a congenital defect and had been unable to walk since a boy, meaning that he had been helped by others for many years. If humans have been declining because of "defects", it has been declining for a very long time. People care for one another: It's one of their most endearing and evolutionarily successful traits. LAFD: "Design For Disaster" - The Story of the Bel Air Conflagration | 1962
This is a fast moving 26 minute video on the Bel-Air fire in 1961. The thing that struck me was the problem of fire hydrants running out of water. A problem the politicians in California have chosen to ignore for the next 60 years. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UxnC1WW95XE The Federalist has put up a "Media Hoax" Tracer for Trump's second term, here:
https://thefederalist.com/2025/01/20/heres-a-list-of-every-media-hoax-launched-during-trumps-second-term/ Remember, Bill Maher always does what's best for Bill Maher.
Evidence of this IQ decline is data from the General Social Survey on mean IQ by decade among graduate students, undergraduates, and high school students. For example, high school graduates in the 1960s had an average IQ of 99.3 but this figure declined so by 2010 and onward, it was 93.5. A similar drop occurred among college graduates -- from 113.3 in the 60s to 100.4 in the 2010 decade. For those with graduate degrees, the fall was from 114.0 to 105.8. IQ by survey might be iffy, but
there are the numbers. Ray: high school graduates in the 1960s had an average IQ of 99.3 but this figure declined so by 2010 and onward, it was 93.5 ...
Has the data been corrected for demographic changes? Do you have a citation? i told you it was from the General Social Survey, (GSS). As I said, calculating IQ by survey is questionable, but it does 4show a trend. You would expect high school graduates to be about IQ 100, since everyone goes to high school.
Ray: i told you it was from the General Social Survey, (GSS)
The General Social Survey does not administer an IQ test. They do have a Wordsum vocabulary test, which correlates to IQ to some degree, but it is obviously limited. The General Social Survey doesn't have a good test of IQ. They are not a testing organization. Wordsum score is all they have.
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