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'Meet Ohio State’s new ‘intellectual diversity’ center director'
Half-expected it to be a short, chunky self-loathing White woman wearing a choker necklace and hair that looks like it was colored with packets of Kool-Aid. “Mocking of Our Pronoun Policy”
The goal is to institute hate speech laws and then the government and activists groups get to decide what is hate speech and who goes to jail. They will follow up by making misinformation illegal as well and that will allow them to put political enemies in jail. This is already happening in developed countries right now. The only reason we don't have it already is because of that pesky 1st amendment. QUOTE: Great Replacement Job Shock: 1.3 Million Native-Born Americans Just Lost Their Jobs, Replaced By 635,000 Immigrants If you look at the underlying data, they use October 2019 and December 2023 for comparison.
Oct 2019, 136509 Dec 2023, 135069 Make it illegal for any non-citizen to work in the U.S. with $1000 a day fine paid by the employer.
Make it a felony to be in the U.S. illegally and require immediate deportation. Make it illegal to own property or a business in the U.S. unless you are a citizen. End all federal welfare or aid of any kind to no-citizens. Review all application by immigrants including those who gained a green card or citizenship for accuracy and deport anyone who lied on their applications. OneGuy: Make it illegal for any non-citizen to work in the U.S. with $1000 a day fine paid by the employer.
Presumably you mean undocumented migrants. Or would you have prohibited Princeton University from hiring Einstein? OneGuy: Make it illegal to own property or a business in the U.S. unless you are a citizen. So no foreign investment in the United States?! Does that mean the United States can't invest in other countries (who would obviously reciprocate). You do realize this would crash the world economy? I mean all non-citizens. Why not? If you are on vacation it's time to go back home. If you are here illegally it is time to go back home. Put American citizens in those jobs and we could end welfare. What could possibly be wrong with that?
"So no foreign investment in the United States... You do realize this would crash the world economy" LOL I DOUBT IT! It would be good for our economy and THAT is who the U.S. government is supposed to look out for NOT foreign economies. Foreign investors and countries have literally bought up American companies and in a lot of cases this is to the detriment of our national security. We should be able to manufacture all the material and goods we need and the be able to double that production in the event of war. Put America First! Oh good God. The appropriate response to extreme, very harmful, hyper emotional ideas about immigration (like those advocated for by progressives like Zac) and trade is not extreme, very harmful, hyper emotional ideas about immigration and trade in the opposite direction. It is to state specific policies that maximize the benefit to the median American citizen rather than harming them. Your ideas would be an economic and social disaster.
Frankly, the articulating such irrational, extreme views by you harms the credibility of the right and increases the credibility of progressives such as Zac. Stop making such nonsensical statements that are so easy to refute. He's given you a few reasons your ideas are horrible, I could add more and put some flesh on his, but it's exhausting enough to respond to his nonsense and gaslighting. So stop taking such ill concieved, absolutist positions. OneGuy: I mean all non-citizens. Why not?
Um, because you would kick out Einstein who lived in the United States for seven years as a foreign refugee. OneGuy: It would be good for our economy and THAT is who the U.S. government is supposed to look out for NOT foreign economies. So, no foreign investment in the United States. OneGuy: We should be able to manufacture all the material and goods we need and the be able to double that production in the event of war. Per how markets work, that would make America economically poorer and weaker. See Smith, An Inquiry into the Nature and Causes of the Wealth of Nations, W. Strahan and T. Cadell, London 1776. For instance, it would require highly-educated American workers to pick crops. There are already labor shortages, so not sure how you think it would work. Yes kick out Einstein let him stay with a "relative" ity.
You said "no foreign investment" I said don't allow them to "own" anything. Most crops are picked by machine. AND we have plenty of unskilled labor they just choose to not work. End welfare, do it over a weekend and put it on the Sunday news and let "them" figure out what 85% of us figured out at age 18. OneGuy: Yes kick out Einstein
America's loss then. OneGuy: You said "no foreign investment" I said don't allow them to "own" anything. That's what foreign investment generally entails. Someone from, say, Germany, builds a factory in America, to produce Volkswagens for the American market, employing American workers. They own the factory. OneGuy: Most crops are picked by machine. It takes about 2-3 million workers to harvest crops in the United States. OneGuy: AND we have plenty of unskilled labor they just choose to not work. The United States is already experiencing significant labor shortages. Great news from Germany from Voxday.net 2024/09/09.
Germany has finally bowed to the inevitable and will be bringing the era of free movement across Europe to an end. Hungary got it right from the start. QUOTE: Sunday Talks - CNN's Dana Bash Attempts to Resuscitate the "Russia, Russia, Russia" Election Year Narrative Russia and other bad actors are attempting to illegally interfere in the U.S. election by trying to sow chaos and support right-wing ideologues, just as they did in 2016. In the interview, Tom Cotton correctly points out even greater threats to U.S. infrastructure, but clearly, Russia believes it is worth investing in right-wing ideological narratives to interfere in the U.S. election. “Our favorite, if you can call it that, was the current president, Mr. [Joe] Biden. But he was removed from the race, and he recommended all his supporters to support Ms. Harris. Well, we will do so – we will support her,”, V. Putin, 5 Sept, 2024.
"But it's a trick by Putin" and false equivalencies in 3, 2, 1... Aggie: Bullsh*t.
A grand jury found probable cause that Russian citizens, Kostiantyn Kalashnikov and Elena Afanasyeva, ran a money-laundering operation that spent nearly $10 million to influence American public opinion and sow social divisions. That's a somewhat stronger argument than "Bullsh*t." The accused remain at large. "That's a somewhat stronger argument than "Bullsh*t.""
No. It really isn't. Neither of those two did any news reporting that I am aware of but they did finance other newswriters of which there is no evidence of pushing Russia propaganda. There is evidence that the progressive news source 'Independent' received Chinese money and DID push Chinese propaganda. Where is the grand jury? 51 intelligence agents lied their asses off denying the Biden jr. laptop was real. Where is the grand jury? Biden jr. violated FARA rules in the Ukraine and in China. Where is the grand jury? The Depravity of Justice is obvious.
"That's the second time you left out the tell." That isn't a "tell." It is part of the deception. Putin is well aware that being seen by Americans as being in favor of Trump harms Trump's political prospects and help's those of Harris. Meaning his statement is evidence he wants Harris to win. As in '16, this has all the hallmarks of a Russian operation to influence American politics in a way that helps Russia by trying to keep Trump from becoming president. The target they used this time was a pair of "RW" people who seem to have been motived more by money than politics rather than Dem. political operative and the HRC campaign.
While neither of us know what kind of intelligence Putin is receiving or what he has personally ordered done, in no world does he prefer the aggressive and unpredictable Trump to the spineless Biden/Harris administration. In fact, at this point, he is continuing the war almost exclusively to preserve his political power and knows he has lost strategically. Trump's stated intention of forcing a cease fire on both combatants would be a disaster for Putin personally and likely spell the end of his career, if not his life. The premise you and the left pushed in 2016 and are now pushing again is absurd and against the interest of the alleged actor. But please keep it up. Damage your credibility further. James4HJ: Putin is well aware that being seen by Americans as being in favor of Trump harms Trump's political prospects and help's those of Harris.
Putin is well aware that being seen by Americans as being in favor of Harris harms Harris's political prospects and help's those of Trump. Thanks for confirming the point. James4HJ: While neither of us know what kind of intelligence Putin is receiving or what he has personally ordered done The Republican-led Senate Intelligence Committee, in a bipartisan and unanimous report, found the Russia worked to help Trump and damage Clinton in the 2016 presidential election, and that contacts between Russian agents and the Trump campaign constituted a "grave counterintelligence threat". James4HJ: in no world does he prefer the aggressive and unpredictable Trump to the spineless Biden/Harris administration. In fact, the Biden administration has worked successfully (and often against their own short-term political interests) to lead the international effort to provide military and economic aid to Ukraine in their struggle against Russia's invasion, including successfully overcoming isolationists in the Republican Party, including Trump who has gone so far as to threaten to pull the United States from NATO. SK: Well, we will do so – we will support her,”, V. Putin, 5 Sept, 2024.
Putin, in an obvious troll for SK and ilk's benefit, added with a smirk, "She laughs so expressively and infectiously that it means that she is doing well." Well he's right about that. Or haven't you noticed the lovely lilt of her oh-so-sincere girlish giggle?
"obioius troll..with a smirk..." sounds a bit...editorial, dontcha think? The quote, one more time for those like little Zachie-poo with reading comp skills: “Our favorite, if you can call it that, was the current president, Mr. [Joe] Biden. But he was removed from the race, and he recommended all his supporters to support Ms. Harris. Well, we will do so – we will support her,”, V. Putin, 5 Sept, 2024. Think they'll provide her partisans in the FBI with a dossier like they did Clinton's? Putin would gladly support any part of Biden/Harris. Neither is competent and all they have provided the US is illegals and massive debt.
SK: “Our favorite, if you can call it that, was the current president, Mr. [Joe] Biden. But he was removed from the race, and he recommended all his supporters to support Ms. Harris. Well, we will do so – we will support her,”, V. Putin, 5 Sept, 2024.
That's the second time you left out the tell: "She laughs so expressively and infectiously that it means that she is doing well." Regardless of your willful gullibility, the evidence is that Russia is spending money to interfere in the election, much as they did in 2016, by amplifying right-wing ideologues, especially with regards to Ukraine. Interesting. The guy who took as literal every single silly trumpism like they were direct orders to the DOJ, calls a simple declarative statement of support for a candidate a "troll".
You didn't answer my question. SK: The guy who took as literal every single silly trumpism like they were direct orders to the DOJ, calls a simple declarative statement of support for a candidate a "troll".
Let's see. One is a candidate vying for elective office in an open democracy, while the other is an autocratic leader of a country that is adversarial with the United States and has a history of election interference—including an army of social media trolls working out of military intelligence.
Your question was diversionary. However, we would point out that the Steele Dossier was correct that Russia was intending to interfere in the election and that Russian agents were trying to infiltrate the Trump campaign. Nor did Clinton use the Steele Dossier during the campaign. "You ignored the tell."
It's only a "tell" if you want it to be. I think he just thinks she's cute! Y"ou ignored that Russia spent money to amplify right-wing ideologues." They were to use your term "trolling"! "You ignored the history of Russian election interference, including intelligence findings that Russia was trying to help Trump's campaign." Please give me the year when they DIDN'T screw around in US elections. "Intelligence" are also the folks who falsified FISA warrants to spy on a Republican presidential campaign, helped spike a story detrimental to a presidential candidate, tried to suppress even "humor and satire" at social media companies. "Harris is a strong supporter of Ukraine, while Trump had suggested ending his country's commitment to NATO." Diversionary!!!! And has NOTHING to do with discussion of Russian interference. Stop trying to change the subject. SK: You didn't answer my question. "Your question was diversionary. However, we would point out that the Steele Dossier was correct that Russia was intending to interfere in the election and that Russian agents were trying to infiltrate the Trump campaign. Nor did Clinton use the Steele Dossier during the campaign." NOT diversionary. The issue was Russian interference. Russian misinformation was knowingly used by the intelligence community to interfere in US politics.
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SK
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2024-09-10 08:24
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SK: It's only a "tell" if you want it to be. I think he just thinks she's cute!
Which is obviously why an autocratic leader a former operative in the KGB in a hot war against Western-supported Ukraine would support Harris. Duh! SK: They were to use your term "trolling"! Absolutely. Sowing chaos by enabling right-wing ideologues and providing cover for your misinformation is certainly one of their goals. SK: Please give me the year when they DIDN'T screw around in US elections. Social media gave Russian intelligence new and highly effective tools. SK: And has NOTHING to do with discussion of Russian interference. It explains why Russia is siding with the isolationist right and trying to weaken Biden and Harris who have been a staunch advocates for Ukrainian sovereignty in their struggle against Russian aggression. SK: Russian misinformation was knowingly used by the intelligence community to interfere in US politics. The primary allegations of the Steele Dossier, that Russia was attempting to interfere in the election and that Russian agents were attempting to infiltrate the Trump campaign, have been substantiated. Nor did Clinton use the Steele Dossier during the campaign.
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Zachriel
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2024-09-10 09:10
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The only thing missing from the Joe Biden and Kamala Harris Justice Department's election news conference about another "Russia! Russia! Russia!" operation was Lucy and her football.
https://pjmedia.com/victoria-taft/2024/09/09/you-know-this-is-an-information-op-but-wait-theres-more-n4932317 "WW III started on 11/23/1963 when JFK was assassinated by our government" Ron Paul
I remember exactly where I was when I heard JFK was assassinated, I was in work and the big boss came down and told my boss about it. If you had told me this quote then I would have laughed at you. It's been over 60 years and for most of that time if you had read this quote to me I would have laughed at you and called you stupid. Now, if you use the "CIA" instead of the broader "our government" I agree with it. What happened? What has changed? The movement has matured and is more visible and obvious. I think that this is just do to confidence and not thinking they need to hide their actions as much. There has been a quickening in pace as they have divided the nation and polluted the population such that even a blatant and massive stolen 2020 election as though we were Nicaragua was easily thrown in our face and anyone who objected was persecuted by a corrupt "justice" system. You can disagree about when this all began or who "exactly" is behind it but most thinking Americans realize that there has been a quiet coup and it didn't begin on Nov 2020 and it is ongoing. There is no coming back from this, we won't vote ourselves out of this. This will end like all communist revolutions with massive deaths and total tyranny. Residents Of Springfield Ohio Beg For Help After 20,000 Haitians Overwhelm City, Eat Local Wildlife
I don't know how Springfield, OH managed to draw the short straw here, but mark my words, this could happen to your town as well. The question then becomes, what can you do about it? https://www.zerohedge.com/political/cant-take-it-anymore-residents-springfield-ohio-beg-help-after-20000-haitians-overwhelm The D.C. BBB cult gets more desperate and creates more chaos in an attempt to cling to power. They could care less about the cost to US citizens. Find the NGO's that are covering for these foreign vagrants.
The proper phrase is "couldn't" care less. If they COULD care less then that means they still care. Unless that's what you actually meant I see your meaningless statement quite often and wondering if you get the point I'm making.
They could care less but right now it is election season and they can't afford to. Same with the train derailment in East Palestine. Is Ohio catching on.
"The proper phrase is 'couldn't' care less. If they COULD care less then that means they still care."
You're pointlessly peeving over a well-entrenched colloquial expression in American English. The expression makes perfect sense to those who employ it; indeed, your reply indicates you understand it too. I suggest you just get used to it and move on. Next up:
"step foot in" "disinterested" "basically" and maybe even "could of". Have fun. Tom Hyland: If they COULD care less then that means they still care.
QUOTE: Merriam-Webster: We understand why could care less sticks in your craw: it appears to mean something rather opposed to what it purports to mean. The person who says “I could care less” is, on the face of it, stating “Yes, it would be possible for me to care less deeply about this matter than I do, and therefore I am betraying some unspecified degree of care.” But if you are the kind of person who cries out against this abomination we must warn you that people who go through life expecting informal variant idioms in English to behave logically are setting themselves up for a lifetime of hurt. PS. We're with you, Tom. Each and every time someone writes "could care less," it requires a mental ⚡jolt⚡ to unwind. Alas!
And neither East Palestine or Springfield will be mentioned by either Biden or Harris. Nor Zach. Ssshhhhhhh.
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indyjonesouthere
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2024-09-09 13:44
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The proper description of officialdom's attitude regarding the tragedies of East Palestine and Springfield is.... drumroll.... they couldn't care less. I'm not wound up, just telling Zachriel to think a little and write what he means.
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Tom Hyland
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2024-09-09 22:44
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feeblemind: Residents Of Springfield Ohio Beg For Help After 20,000 Haitians Overwhelm City, Eat Local Wildlife
Authorities rebut claims that Haitian immigrants are eating cats, waterfowl in Ohio town. Legal Haitian immigrants have migrated to Springfield for work. QUOTE: Jamie McGregor is the CEO of McGregor Metal, which makes welded parts for the auto and farm industries: Jamie McGregor: Our Haitian associates come to work every day. They don't have a drug problem. They will stay at their machine. They will achieve their numbers. They are here to work. And so, in general, that's a stark difference from what we're used to in our community. |