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Monday, August 5. 2024Monday morning linksShould You Always Forgive? Teenage Girls Need Judy Blume More Than Ever. In the seventies, nobody told girls what growing up was like. Now, we just tell girls it’s horrible. Chinese-made humanoid robots raise alarms in Congress Furious bikers turn on Harley Davidson boss for 'going woke' after he publicly promoted DEI programs, LGBT policies and climate change issues The Energy Transition Ain't Happening: "Green" Economy In Retreat The Farce of Academic Activism: When Universities Pander to Ideologues You are the enemy: Racism is defined at the discretion of the regime. The Daily Chart: Deregulate Housing Keep America Weird. Plus. . . Stuart's Saturday Miscellany Joe Rogan Goes Live on Netflix… and Liberals Lose Their Minds Some of Kamala Harris' ideas you might disagree with Hoping to avoid Clinton’s 2016 mistakes, Harris courts three ‘rust belt’ states Trackbacks
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" Furious bikers turn on Harley Davidson boss for 'going woke'"
This is why whenever anyone says wait until them kids get into the real world, I respond, the real world in the future isn't something you're going to be happy with. 'Should You Always Forgive?'
Someone on a Christian manosphere site made a great point: you should turn the other cheek, but there's nothing in the Bible that says you should stay within arm's reach and let them keep hitting you. Sums it up nicely. Maniac: Someone on a Christian manosphere site made a great point: you should turn the other cheek, but there's nothing in the Bible that says you should stay within arm's reach and let them keep hitting you.
That's clearly what Jesus meant, and the plain meaning of the words. QUOTE: Matthew 5: "You have heard that it was said, ‘An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.’ But I tell you not to resist an evil person. But whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other to him also. If anyone wants to sue you and take away your tunic, let him have your cloak also. And whoever compels you to go one mile, go with him two. Give to him who asks you, and from him who wants to borrow from you do not turn away." Your interpretation of the scriptural text is reasonable might be the correct one. It is not obviously the plane meaning because it is not literal and, more importantly, is requires one to make inferences. In no sense is your interpretation "clearly" what Jesus meant.
Maybe you were there 2000 years ago and hung around for the Q&A so you can state authoritatively that Jesus also meant that you ought to allow yourself to be compelled against your interest to go a 3rd, 4th,5th, and more mile(s). Maybe he explained that of course, your only moral option after being slapped on the left cheek is to again present the right cheek, not to flee, parry the blow, or otherwise defend yourself, but suffer an indefinite number of blows. Maybe he clarified that of course, you should offer the person your sandals after they had your tunic and cloak. But I don't think so. As with many points in the Bible, there are multiple layers of meaning. But Jesus was being quite literal when he said "If anyone forces you to go one mile, go also the second". He was referring to the empire. A Roman soldier had the right to force you to carry his pack for one mile. The reference to suing for your cloak was addressing the culture of the empire. Rome was a very litigous society and court cases were a form of entertainment (sounds familiar). He was telling you to reject this, and the early Church taught the same thing.
Your reply to my questions shares the same flaws as Zachs. It doesn't actually address the questions I raised. It consists entirely of question begging.
FYI. the historical contest doesn't actually shed any light on my questions. Also, if Jesus was being literal in his statement, that strongly suggest that one was under no obligation to go a third mile, meaning it would support the interpretation I offered as a potential alternative.
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James4HJ
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2024-08-06 17:27
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James4HJ: In no sense is your interpretation "clearly" what Jesus meant.
It clearly means to offer the other cheek, just like offering your cloak, or offering to go the extra mile. Would you give your cloak to your mother? Would you walk a mile for your brother? Would you take a blow for someone you love? The rest of the chapter makes it even more clear. QUOTE: If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? And if you greet only your own people, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect. Interpreting Jesus as saying move away to avoid pain is just not a reasonable reading. Epistemology 101: 1. All nonliteral interpretations require inferences. 2. All inferences are subjective. 3. If there are other interpretations from yours that rest on inferences a reasonable person might make, your interpretation is not "clearly correct." The certitude you express is a psychological state, not an epistemological one.
Your reply is simply question begging. You wave your hands about context, but you aren't specific about how the context refutes the alternative interpretation I offered as reasonable. Instead, you simply impose the same interpretative bias you used to reach your conclusion to the context you allege is the correct one. The dilemma with your, and anyone who takes the Bible seriously (I include myself in that group) is that the Bible simultaneously advocates positively for two qualities that are intrinsically opposed to each other, justice and forgiveness. Justice is getting what one deserves. Forgiveness is a combination of not getting something bad that you deserve (mercy) and getting something good that you do not deserve (grace). So the context of the Bible, or even of just the New Testament does not unambiguously support your position. This claim deserves a separate reply: "Interpreting Jesus as saying move away to avoid pain is just not a reasonable reading."
Read more carefully. That isn't what I said, or even close to what I implied. What I implied, if you read carefully, is that Jesus did not prohibit fleeing from the assault after having been struck the second time. Or prohibit responses other than passivity. That Jesus did not require one surrender their sandals to the person who took their tunic and cloak. That Jesus did not require one to walk the third mile. The is a transparently reasonable interpretation. It is also obviously a more textualist reading of the verse that the one you offer. BTW, I offer it not to advocate for it or to oppose your reading. Personally, I'm, ambiguous and might change my mind on a dime. But simply to point out that your reading is not "clearly true" Additionally, I'm pointing out by implication how insufferably self-righteous and narrow minded you are. JamesHJ: What I implied, if you read carefully, is that Jesus did not prohibit fleeing from the assault after having been struck the second time.
The claim at issue is “you should turn the other cheek, but there's nothing in the Bible that says you should stay within arm's reach and let them keep hitting you.” Not everyone can carry a literal cross, human weakness being what it is. But that is clearly not what Jesus said or meant. For “Do not even pagans do that?” Harley Davidson is like Ralph Lauren. People are buying the name more than the product. The average HD owner is so wrapped up in the brand that he's not going to stop buying the product, no matter what the company does.
Yes there is a war in Ukraine and Gaz/Israel. But there is a war going on in Great Britian too right now. It has been seething under the surface for years and the government in an attempt to put it out has dramatically fed the flames. The English and Irish government at this point is solidly anti-citizen and pro illegal alien. The government has decided that illegal immigrants will get everything free and citizens must give up their housing and retirement benefits and pay higher taxes to fund it AND if you disagree with them on this then YOU are far right. No one really knows what far right is but it certainly must be terrible because everyone fears it. Starmer, who is far left (which is apparently OK to be) wants to crush the citizens and throw them in jail for the crime of objecting to having their country stolen from them and thus becoming "far right". And Starmer will do exactly that, watch and see. But can he put them all in jail? The cries have already begun for Starmer to step down but like all far left tyrants he won't step down. So GB is set up for civil war.
Federal Air Marshal Whistleblowers Report Tulsi Gabbard Actively Under Surveillance via Quiet Skies Program
QUOTE: According to LaBosco, Gabbard’s enrollment in Quiet Skies is likely politically motivated. Air Marshals were first assigned to Gabbard on Jul. 23, a day after she criticized Kamala Harris, Biden, and the National Security State in an interview with Laura Ingraham. FAMs were mobilized on Jul. 24 and assigned to their first flight with her on Jul. 25. Gabbard posted the interview on Twitter, as shared https://uncoverdc.com/2024/08/04/fams-whistleblowers-report-tulsi-gabbard-on-quiet-skies-list The administrative state and most politicians are presiding over the end stage of empire. It will get worse until it simply collapses from incompetence.
Mark Steyn today at his website is starting some comments on a speech that Victor Orban gave recently about the end of the dominance of Western Civilization, replaced or balanced by a Pacific themed one ie China, India, Pakistan (maybe Londonistan)
https://www.steynonline.com/14522/a-global-system-change Thanks for posting grant1863.
The Orban lecture is very interesting. I would have missed it. grant1863: Mark Steyn today at his website is starting some comments on a speech that Victor Orban gave recently about the end of the dominance of Western Civilization, replaced or balanced by a Pacific themed one ie China, India, Pakistan
Steyn suggests the change in balance began in 2001 with China joining the WTO. However, the changing balance actually began in 1945. It was inevitable after the great conflagrations of the world wars that people across the globe would expect and then demand a greater say in world affairs—in their affairs. And while, at the time, America was first among equals, America purposefully worked to create a world where all peoples would have a say in their futures, based on the belief in the inherent dignity of the individual. America's strength always came, not from its individual power, but from its ability to marshal people and nations to the cause of freedom from all over the world. The more America thumps its chest and insists it is number one—or else, the less influence it will have. "It was inevitable after the great conflagrations of the world wars that people across the globe would expect and then demand a greater say in world affairs—in their affairs."
Hum. Presumably, you're talking about the demise of colonialism. The Brenton Woods agreement, offered to/imposed on Europe by the USA, required it. Further Europe was demographically and economically exhausted and thus unable to maintain their empires. The free trade element of Brenton Woods, access to US markets and US navy securing the sea lanes meant that the imperial powers benefited dramatically from abandoning their colonies. The inhabitants of the colonies, excepting India, had little to do with the end of colonialism. "America was first among equals." A remarkably stupid claim. The USA had 90%+ of the developed world's GDP and 95% of its industrial capacity. Excepting its close ally, Britian, it had the only navy in the world. It had suffered a tiny number of causalities in comparison to the rest of the developed world, and some of the undeveloped world. None of its massive infrastructure was destroyed during the war, in stark comparison to the rest of the developed world (except Canada). It had, by miles, the best geography of any country in the world. In sum, there has never been any time in recorded history in which a single political entity had such a large percentage of the world's military, economic, and political power. "America's strength always came, not from its individual power, but from its ability to marshal people and nations to the cause of freedom from all over the world." Ironic that you would do such chest beating nationalistic rhetoric. Our foreign policy has always, properly been, the pursuit of our perceived best interests. At least until the radical left recently gained power in that area of policy. But America has, by a good margin, been the most generous and lest tyrannical global hegemon in the world's history. A fact the left would do to remember when it engages in its fits of America bashing Granting that there isn't reliable data going back to the WW2 era for GPD except for the USA and GB, those figures really are nonsense. Post war Europe outside of GB was no longer part of the developed world and had no industry to speak of. they were subsistence economics surviving on welfare from the USA. Russia retained some industry, but shut down most plants post war to put the labor into agriculture. They kept millions of their young males outside the country. The GDP dropped dramatically as a result. China and India were not part of the developed world, nor was most of Latin America. My claim isn't just reasonable, it is more accurate than the graph you linked to.
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James4HJ
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2024-08-06 18:18
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James4HJ: Granting that there isn't reliable data going back to the WW2 era for GPD except for the USA and GB, those figures really are nonsense.
Heh. Yet, you claimed, “The USA had 90%+ of the developed world's GDP”. We provided a source, which is a stronger argument than “Is not,” especially when you then contradict your own claim. Have another: Estimated annual gross domestic product (GDP) of the Second World War's largest powers
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Zachriel
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2024-08-06 20:48
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Can $35 trillion in debt be paid off? Can the interest be paid and the country still survive? Do the math, the interest on $35 trillion is unbelievable. Just paying the interest will destroy our country and yet won't pay down the debt one penny. By Jan 20th when the new president takes office the debt will be $36 trillion. Four years later when that president either leaves office or is reelected the national debt will be $48 trillion. That assumes we don't have a complete and total collapse before that. The collapse is inevitable the date is unknown. If you are like me and have your life savings in the bank earning you a tidy return with the higher interest rates you might feel that you can ride out an economic collapse. Do not be fooled. Every penny you have in the bank will disappear over night.
Your mistake is, you think you have time. Current law says that money you put in the bank is nothing more than a loan to the bank. If the bank collapses you loose your money. Now is a good time to put your cash in a Rydex bear fund. Banks are becoming ever more dangerous and the Fed is not capable of bailing them all out.
OneGuy: Can $35 trillion in debt be paid off?
Sure, it can. The problem you are experiencing is that the size of the debt seems daunting, but the context is even greater in size. Over the next thirty years, the U.S. will produce well over $1,000 trillion (given even moderate real growth of 2% per year). Of course, paying down the debt will require Americans being willing to control spending and pay additional taxes to maintain desired social services. In practical terms, it is only necessary to reduce the deficit to the real growth rate and the debt will recede in the rear-view mirror. Any strong move to reduce the deficits will show the markets that Americans are serious about their debt, so servicing costs will be sharply reduced. You're pretending again. The debt can only be repaid if you make a drastic change in the value of the dollar by simply printing more money. The old silver dimes are worth over 2 dollars now. A similar but more rapid devaluation of the dollar would have to occur to continue to service debt. The purpose of depressions is to destroy debt and that is the likeliest outcome of our national debt and personal debt. It will simply be destroyed by bankruptcy and devaluation.
OneGuy: Can $35 trillion in debt be paid off?
Consider it this way: A bank is looking at a loan on their books. The person makes $27,000 per year, gets a small raise most years, and owes $35,000 dollars at 3½%. Also, the person hasn't missed a payment in 200 years. What if the person institutes a plan to cut their expenses and increase their payments? It's well within the capabilities of the person to handle the debt, given good choices going forward. That doesn't mean the person might not continue to run up debt instead, but it's not inevitable as you suggest. Let's take your analogy a little further. That same person, despite making $27,000.00/yr., is spending $37,000.00/yr. They have to cut their spending by over 27% just to stop adding to their debt. They must pay 14% ($3780.00) of that 27K on interest just to stay even. Additionally, they have $13,500.00 in annual legal obligations to other people they "have" to pay. That leaves them with about $8,000.00 a year to live on.
That sound doable to you? But let's dispense with the analogy. The USA is entering this position having accumulated this massive debt during its demographic peak, when the baby boomers, the largest generation in the country's history as a% of its population, where in their prime earning years and stoking the economy with massive investment. The capital they provided will decrease and capital will become increasingly expensive. While we will soak up massive amounts of money in Medicare and social security. Tell me again how social security isn't a Ponzi scheme. Further, it is a near certainty that the debt that many blue states and cities have accumulated will be added to the federal debt at some point. Meanwhile, the disinflationary trends that existed from about 1985 until about 2010 or 2015 are going away. Much of western Europe and east Asis, especially China and S. Korea, are dying demographically and economically. We have a few options, none great, for dealing with our debt. We can probably keep the wheel rolling as is for a couple more generations. That's the most likely option, as it's the easiest for current voters. We can do austerity budgets for generations, but that might stifle economic growth and thus be counterproductive. We can dramatically inflate the dollar. We could wait for other counties who hold our debt start collapsing (China in particular comes to mind) and just write off debt we owe their governments and citizens, since they would have little or no recourse. But the US government's debts will never be paid, at least not in whole. I don't think it's intended to be paid off, the last time it was paid off in 1836? a great recession or depression occurred. Interesting book read years ago prior to 2000 explains this
Sorry for the amazon link, book was written in 1997 by John Steele Gordon when the debt was "only" $5 Trillion. Of course it's also not meant to be so out of control. https://www.amazon.com/Hamiltons-Blessing-Extraordinary-Times-National/dp/0802717993 As per US Treasury data for FY'23: 6.13T (spending) - 4.44T (revenue) = 1.72 (deficit). 1.72T/4.44T = .387. X $27,000.00 = $10,459.46. You're wrong, I'm right.
I'll add that this is only cash accounting. Actuarially, the proper way to characterize our deficit, conservative estimates place the federal government's unfunded liabilities at 80T over the next 75 years. I've seen other estimates that put it at 95T over those 75 years. Adding in unfunded state and local government obligations brings the total to north of 130T over 75 years.
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James4HJ
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2024-08-06 17:20
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James4HJ: As per US Treasury data for FY'23: 6.13T (spending) - 4.44T (revenue) = 1.72 (deficit). 1.72T/4.44T = .387. X $27,000.00 = $10,459.46
The ability of the United States to meet its financial obligations is based on its GDP, not the current federal revenue and expenditures. See comment 6.3.3 below.
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Zachriel
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2024-08-06 20:52
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James: That same person, despite making $27,000.00/yr., is spending $37,000.00/yr.
Annual borrowing is about $1,600. Accumulated debt is about $37,000. If you want to include all forms of assets and debts for our hypothetical individual person, then this is what it looks like:
Credit card balance: $37,000 Credit card borrowing per year: $1,600 Debts (other): $109,000 Net Worth: $123,000 Income: $27,000 (with modest raises most years) Expected total income over 30 years (given 2% annual increases): $1,132,000. {For our hypothetical individual, you can consider the asset to be the home, and the other debt to be the mortgage. If you want the figures for the United States rather than our hypothetical individual, then multiply the figures by a billion. Debts include personal, financial, and government. Credit card then represents federal debt financed at 3½%.} A short and sad story for Zach. History in the making.
https://kunstler.com/clusterfuck-nation/and suddenly-things-change/ Actually it wasn't suddenly. Observers could see this coming since 1999 with the mortgage defaults and bank bailouts and a dysfunctional Congress incapable of change. See gold/Dow chart. NFL Announces Mandatory Facial Recognition Software for All 32 Teams to Monitor Stadium Attendees | Lou Dobbs
[url]https://loudobbs.com/news/big-brother-is-watching-nfl-announces-mandatory-facial-recognition-software-for-all-32-teams-to-monitor-stadium-attendees/[url] This is necessary to reduce our carbon footprint. Along with all the other cameras they will identify everyone and determine if their social and economic credit be reduced if they are having too much fun or eating. Oh wait! You think I'm joking...
The Energy Transition Ain't Happening: "Green" Economy In Retreat
That was inevitable. Trying to force a technology change by political fiat when the economics says "Nah" is a fool's errand, And we had/have no shortage of fools. Malware alert on lucianne site!
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