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I agree with Manhattan Contrarian's main point. Also with this point:

At Gay’s Harvard, if your speech supports the conservative position, the thinnest allegation against you can destroy your career. If you support the woke narrative, even the most explosive allegations against you can be buried.

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Manhattan Contrarian writes, " Note that a private university does not need to follow the freedom of speech principles that apply to the government.

Why not?

The first amendment says:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

It is a federal law of the land.

Why are private universities or any other institution for that matter, not breaking the law by suspending freedom of speech?

Why do they get an exemption?

#1 feeblemind on 2023-12-12 15:06 (Reply)

But I failed to answer your question directly enough. A private institution or company making rules about certain speech is not the government restricting speech.

#1.1 James on 2023-12-12 17:46 (Reply)

The double standards are what rankles. I am reminded many people saying that speech the left disagree with is violence ("improper" use of pronouns, "all lives matter...), but violence the left commits is free speech (Antifa, burning Minneapolis...).

#2 Gringo on 2023-12-12 15:12 (Reply)

Any private institution or property owner can demand that visitors or members adhere to certain behaviors or leave and loose membership if they fail to. That isn't an exemption to free speech. It is an element of the property owners/institution's property and expression rights.

In the case of Harvard, there is a complicating factor: the federal government can place requirements on universities as a condition of them and their students being eligible for federal student loans and grants to students and the university. Perhaps if Trump wins in '24 such leverage will be used.

#3 James on 2023-12-12 17:26 (Reply)

There is a further complication that is being danced around. All of the major colleges receive and eagerly accept huge amounts of money from Arab/Muslim states and from China. So this actually changes the argument from "free speech" to extortion or bribery. Are the colleges doing things and allowing things that are contrary to their interests and the interests of the United States because executives of these colleges are being bribed? Are they then traitors to the United States?

#3.1 OneGuy on 2023-12-13 09:45 (Reply)

QUOTE:

In a World Where Using the Wrong Pronouns Is "Violence," Calling for Genocide Is "Context Dependent"

#4 Zachinoff on 2023-12-12 18:02 (Reply)

When the Federal government started putting restrictions on which institutions could be funded by student loans, Hillsdale College dropped out of accepting student loans so as not to get caught up in the government mandates.
If the university is not willing to provide free speech to all then regardless of being private or not it should lose the right to student loans.
Do as you will with YOUR own money but not with the taxpayers money. No student loans and no grants, whatsoever, to such institutions.

#5 indyjonesouthere on 2023-12-12 21:36 (Reply)

...even the most explosive allegations against you can be buried.

Glossed over, pooh-poohed, ignored, or excused, yes. Buried? No, that bird has flown. And will come back to crap on someone's head someday. And for a useful idiot like Gay, someday can happen any day, just as soon as she's no longer useful to the Cause.

#6 Mike Anderson (Link) on 2023-12-12 22:28 (Reply)

did Harvard ever have an affirmative-action president before?
asking for a friend...

#7 Jeff Allen on 2023-12-12 22:49 (Reply)

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