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Thursday, November 23. 2023

Thanksgiving Day links


 Old Lodge Skins’ Prayer Of Thanksgiving


Stuart on gratitude 


1952 -  How to Explain Thanksgiving to French People?


 Foreign students should love Thanksgiving


 Aquaculture Accounts for Half of the World's Fish Supply


 The Decadence of Common-Good Capitalism


 Why New York is objectively America’s worst state


 The Fall of Minneapolis


 Judge Obliterates Oregon's Newest Gun Grab


 These classical teaching programs meet a growing demand


What is Left and Right? 


 The cause of free speech threatens to become the exclusive property of conservatives.


 Scientific censorship appears to be increasing. 


 'The Science' Suffers from Self-Inflicted Political Wounds. A separation of science and politics might be called for.


 Leftist Attempts to Destroy Elon Musk Won't Work in Time for 2024


 Ask every automaker – Tesla excused – that’s been pushed to make EVs before there was demand to support it.


 "Japs, Jewry And Trannies": Media Matters President's Bigoted Blogs Resurface Amid Spat With Musk


 Biden Getting Killed in Polls Because of Youth Dislike of Israel


 A Radical Democrat Proposal: Treat Black Voters Like They Matter


 German Priorities: Berlin Imposes a Spending Freeze Over Budget Crisis – AND ON THE SAME DAY, Releases a New 1.4B Military Aid Package to Ukraine


 A Self-Described Libertarian Wins In Argentina

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The push to electrify everything whether the public wants to or not, has the underlying message of 'or else', as the regulations start to pile up that will obliterate the hydrocarbon-fueled economy, and thus, our living standards. Sooner or later, the 'or else' option will become the obvious choice - and maybe it already is. What is the response to 'or else', when it comes from from on high, from somebody you elected? Blows to the head is the most expedient approach. It will come to that, if elections continue to be ridiculous and without the necessary element of good faith on all sides, left and right, appointed/elected and voter. It looks like there are a growing number of countries where the voters have had enough of the bullies and their unpopular, destructive, and poorly-supported mandates.


Happy Thanksgiving all. In spite of the toxic socio-political environment, we have much to be grateful for in this country.
#1 Aggie on 2023-11-23 08:00 (Reply)
The simple fact is that the government can cut off your electricity easily if they decide that your social credit score is too low. It is a thousand times more difficult to cut off your gas or propane or god forbid a wood stove. They MUST have this ability to control if their WEF agenda is to succeed. And make no mistake once they have this ability to control you they will!!!
#1.1 OneGuy on 2023-11-23 10:02 (Reply)
on Thanksgiving a couple of years ago my atheist sister in law wouldn't let us say a Thanksgiving blessing. It was her house and she set the rules, "No blessing". She wanted us to thank her for making the meal. A real treasure she is.
#2 JC on 2023-11-23 08:01 (Reply)
Somehow I think you have not been back.
#2.1 Don on 2023-11-23 09:16 (Reply)
OK, Sis. Thank God we don't come here every year. Amen.
#2.2 Mike Anderson (Link) on 2023-11-23 12:06 (Reply)
The old anecdote about the irate father was the little boy saying "Thank you Daddy, for my food. Thank you God for my Daddy." You'd really have to be a complete prick to object to that.
#2.3 Assistant Village Idiot on 2023-11-23 13:34 (Reply)
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What is Left and Right? . . . why doesn’t “gas the Jews” qualify as hate speech?

It does. (However, under U.S. law, speech alone is not generally criminal in and of itself.)

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demonize President Trump because he’s an “authoritarian,”

Would-be authoritarian. Trump said, "A Massive Fraud of this type and magnitude allows for the termination of all rules, regulations, and articles, even those found in the Constitution."

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fascism is socialism with a capitalist veneer.

That is not a valid definition. Fascism is ultra-nationalistic and advocates a strictly hierarchical socity with a strong leader given absolute power. That is not to say the left can't be authoritarian. There are authoritarians on the left and on the right.

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What is Left and Right?

If you define the left as authoritarian and the right as libertarian, then that puts King Louis XVI and Latin American military dictators on the political left, which is not consistent with how the terms have been and are still used. On the other hand, if you treat the left-right spectrum as an ideological egalitarian-hierarchical spectrum, and as orthogonal to the authoritarian-libertarian spectrum, then the use of the terms are consistent with modern and historical uses.
#3 Zachriel on 2023-11-23 09:43 (Reply)
Left and right are irrelevant terms meaning nothing except in France or perhaps Europe.
Fascists and Communists are both socialist and authoritarian. Anarchist want little to no government. Libertarians want small restricted government.
#3.1 indyjonesouthere on 2023-11-23 16:55 (Reply)
A very Happy Thanksgiving to y'all.
#4 Stargazer on 2023-11-23 09:46 (Reply)
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#4.1 Zachriel on 2023-11-23 10:22 (Reply)
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A Self-Described Libertarian Wins In Argentina

Milei is a self-described anarchist, a right-wing form of anarchism that advocates a stateless society called anarcho-capitalism.
#5 Zachriel on 2023-11-23 09:52 (Reply)
The Israeli war on Hamas is a problem for the Democrats. Their constituency is too stupid to keep their Nazi fascist views quiet and many who lean left or are moderate Democrats are shocked to see this side of their party spoken out loud. The left must get Israel to end the war and get those 1400 dead Israeli women, children and old folks off the news. They don't care about Hamas, they don't care that about terrorism all they care about is gaining power and this inconvenient war is interfering with their plans.
#6 OneGuy on 2023-11-23 09:56 (Reply)
OneGuy: The Israeli war on Hamas is a problem for the Democrats.

The Democratic Party has long been a home for disparate minorities that constitute a tense alliance. Wars tend to expose and exacerbate such tensions.

OneGuy: The left must get Israel to end the war and get those 1400 dead Israeli women, children and old folks off the news.

Don't forget the 14,000 dead in Gaza, mostly women and children, and the hundreds of thousands forced to flee in dire conditions.

Israel has the right to self-defense. Hamas has been a festering wound for too long, but Palestinians have legitimate grievances, including the decades-long blockade of Gaza, as well as the ongoing attacks and building of settlements in the West Bank. There is an argument to be had that Israel's attacks will only make the problem worse. Then there is the fear that Israel is ethnically cleansing Gaza.
#6.1 Zachriel on 2023-11-23 10:21 (Reply)
Most democrat voters are not aware of the Anti-Israel/Pro-Hamas protests that are happening across the country. If it's not on the local news, then it doesn't exist.

I don't think what's going on in the streets will make much difference in any election.
#6.2 jack walter on 2023-11-27 07:59 (Reply)
"14,000 dead in Gaza"?

Is that the latest propaganda from Hamas? Are you their spokesman?

I don't know what the deaths in Gaza are and neither do you.

Imagine a terrorist group in your community hiding their rockets under a hospital and firing them from school yards and storing weapons under children's beds. But it is worse than it seems because the citizenry allowed it knowing that after the terrorists attacked Israel that Israel would be forced to neutralize those weapons and command and control centers which would result in civilian deaths and that those deaths could be used to try to defeat Israel. I.e. the "Palestinians eagerly embraced the eminent deaths of their children and women because it could be used as propaganda to harm Israel. THIS is what you are defending!!

Note to people who love their children and families: Don't allow terrorists to use you and hide behind you while they kill innocent civilians.

The war between Palestine and Israel will end when the Palestinians start to love their children more than they hate Jews.
#7 OneGuy on 2023-11-23 11:07 (Reply)
"Israel is ethnically cleansing Gaza."

Did the West ethnically cleanse Germany in WW II? That "ethnically cleanse" phrase is pure BS. If you don't want to be ethnically cleansed don't try to ethnically cleanse someone else. DUH!
#8 OneGuy on 2023-11-23 11:13 (Reply)
OneGuy: Is that the latest propaganda from Hamas?

It's reasonable based on reports from the ground, though the true number may be higher. Over 100 UNRWA staff and 50 journalists alone have been killed. But we'd be happy to consider another source. Meanwhile, there is a humanitarian crisis for hundreds of thousands of refugees.

OneGuy: Don't allow terrorists to use you and hide behind you while they kill innocent civilians.

Easier said than done. However, while some civilian casualties are often a necessary consequence of war, modern rules of war require minimizing the risk to civilians.

OneGuy: If you don't want to be ethnically cleansed don't try to ethnically cleanse someone else.

Both sides are guilty of ethnic cleansing. That doesn't justify continued war crimes. It's difficult to discern what Gaza will look like after the violence ends. In the long run, the war could undermine Israeli security. Only time will tell.

Meanwhile, Biden has supported Israel despite the political risks. The U.S. took military action in the aftermath of the 9-11 attacks, but made serious strategic misjudgments. Hopefully, Israel will avoid the pitfalls of overreaction.
#8.1 Zachriel on 2023-11-23 11:42 (Reply)
Quibble-DickZ: Both sides are guilty of ethnic cleansing.

Yeah, right. You kiddieZ have a sickness.

https://www.hamas-massacre.net/categories/the-nova-party-massacre
#8.1.1 Zachinoff on 2023-11-23 17:20 (Reply)
Quibble-DickZ: Both sides are guilty of ethnic cleansing.

Yeah, right again, kiddieZ. Y'all are sick.

(Note the video where the Hamas animals argue over who gets to behead the Thai worker.)

https://www.hamas-massacre.net/categories/families-murdered-in-their-homes
#8.1.2 Zachinoff on 2023-11-23 17:44 (Reply)
"Easier said than done. "

No! I said don't allow it as in don't agree with it, don't encourage it, don't go along with the message when the terrorists use it. Stand up and tell the truth. If the terrorists held you and your family hostage to put their weapons where they would bring harm on you than speak up! Don't blame their target when the inevitable result of F___in around is finding out.

"Both sides are guilty of ethnic cleansing"

That is an absolute lie. Israel has always warned the civilian population about their military intent exactly so that they can get out of the way. Right this minute Israel is using their military to hunt down the terrorists and destroy their support facilities exactly to minimize the harm to civilians. It would be much easier to use bombs on these targets and prevent military casualties but they are spending their own lives to save Palestine civilian lives.

Biden doesn't know if he is supporting Israel he doesn't know where he is or what he is doing. His handlers (Obama) are telling him what to say. And it is 100% politically based he would abandon Israel in a heartbeat if that was politically expedient.
#9 OneGuy on 2023-11-23 12:50 (Reply)
OneGuy: If the terrorists held you and your family hostage to put their weapons where they would bring harm on you than speak up!

That makes no sense.

OneGuy: Israel has always warned the civilian population about their military intent exactly so that they can get out of the way.

Israelis purposefully drove people out of their homes during the Nakba, refusing their return. Since then, Israelis have pushed Palestinians off their land in the West Bank, recently with revenge attacks by Jewish settlers there. Meanwhile hundreds of thousands of Palestinians have been forced to flee from north Gaza.

OneGuy: Biden doesn't know if he is supporting Israel he doesn't know where he is or what he is doing.

That’s nonsense. He knows exactly what he is doing and the political price involved.
#9.1 Zachriel on 2023-11-23 22:22 (Reply)
Quibble-DickZ: He knows exactly what he is doing

Sure he does.
https://youtu.be/5NJxbMcOXkM
#9.1.1 Zachinoff on 2023-11-24 09:31 (Reply)
Quibble-DickZ: Israelis purposefully drove people out of their homes during the Nakba, refusing their return. Blah, blah, blah...

Yeah, recall when the Israelis put Palestinian babies into ovens, raped Palestinian women, and beheaded Palestinian males. Remember that, kiddieZ?

Y'all are sick trying to compare the two.
#9.1.2 Zachinoff on 2023-11-24 11:00 (Reply)
OneGuy: OneGuy: Biden doesn't know if he is supporting Israel he doesn't know where he is or what he is doing.

From a press conference, not from Biden's prepared remarks:

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Q And because of the news of the day, sir, I do have a question about the IDF raid on the Al-Shifa Hospital, as it tries to contain and take out the Hamas operative that is there. This week, you also said that we must protect hospitals. So, when you weigh the target against the number of civilians inside the hospital, is the operation underway justified?

THE PRESIDENT: Well, look, we did discuss this, by the way. We can’t let it get out of control. Here’s the situation: You have a circumstance where the first war crime is being committed by Hamas by having their headquarters, their military hidden under a hospital. And that’s a fact. That’s what’s happened.
. . .
When — when Hama- — well, Hamas said they plan on doing the same thing again — what — what they did — what they did on the 7th. They’re going to go in — they want to slaughter Israelis. They want to do it again. And they’ve said it out loud. They’re not even kidding about it. They’re not backing off.
. . .
With regard to when is this going to stop, I think it’s going to stop when the — when Hamas no longer maintains the capacity to murder and abuse and — and just do horrific things to the Israelis.

Whether you agree with Biden supporting Israel or not, please stop with the untruism. Biden is fully responsible for his Israel policy.
#9.2 Zachriel on 2023-11-24 10:09 (Reply)
"He knows exactly what he is doing and the political price involved"

Bullshit.
#10 eeyore on 2023-11-24 08:10 (Reply)
WKRP Turkey Drop

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGFtV6-ALoQ
#11 feeblemind on 2023-11-24 13:09 (Reply)

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