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Wednesday, March 22. 2023

White People Drinking Coffee Perpetuates 'Pillar of White Supremacist Capitalism'

Insect farming is immoral?

“I actually think it's super liberating to feel like I’m not responsible for my weight," said Prof. Brennhofer

University president ‘steps back’ from duties after dubious indigenous ancestry claims

Why are literacy rates for San Francisco's black children so low and what can be done to fix it?

The Hollow Return of American Manufacturing - American factories might come back but the middle class won’t follow

Politico isn't quite sure about the Constitution anymore

Blinken Declares a Ceasefire Illegal

NSC Communications Director John Kirby Says War Should Continue Because a Ceasefire Would Favor Putin

President BILL CLINTON Paid Paula Jones $850,000 To Shut Up About Sexual Harassment Charges While He Was In Middle Of Impeachment Hearings For Affair With 19-Yr-Old Intern...Why Was He Never Arrested?

Ugandan President Blasts Western Countries For Promoting LGBT In Africa

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Black SF kids not reading: the approximate numbers.
The black population in SF is about 5.7%; rather low for a significant metro area. If everyone of those had children in the SF public schools (not likely) then of the approximately 51, 700 students in SFUSD, it would make some 2900. black kids in SFUSD.
Not an overwhelming number who could be addressed educationally especially in lower grades when reading should be taught.
BTW": When I was Medical Director of the SF -based Family Mosaic (for severely emotionally disturbed children) over 90% of our youth jail had black kids incarcerated; to get in, you had to perform some felonious-level act.

#1 ns on 2023-03-22 08:37 (Reply)

There's only so much you can do for a group of people whose collective IQ hovers somewhere in the 80s.

#1.1 Maniac on 2023-03-22 09:06 (Reply)

Maniac: There's only so much you can do for a group of people whose collective IQ hovers somewhere in the 80s.

Adjusting for the Flynn Effect, the average American had an IQ somewhere in the 80s when they beat the fascists in WWII. They went on to land on the Moon, and invent electronic computers.

#1.1.1 Zachriel on 2023-03-22 09:20 (Reply)

Strawman!

#1.1.1.1 Zachinoff on 2023-03-22 12:04 (Reply)

Please provide sources as I think you are wrong. Sixth or 8th grade education perhaps but that's different than IQ.

#1.1.1.2 grant1863 on 2023-03-23 13:50 (Reply)

grant1863: Please provide sources as I think you are wrong.

The Flynn Effect is named for intelligence researcher, James Flynn. It refers to the observed upward trend in IQ test results over generations, an effect that has been repeatedly confirmed. If someone from 1930 were to take the same IQ tests that are used today, they would score in the 80s.

The seminal work was "Race, IQ, and Jensen" by James Flynn in 1980. A more recent meta-analysis found the Flynn Effect was about 3 points per decade. See Trahan et al., The Flynn Effect: A Meta-analysis, Psychological Bulletin 2014.

Keep in mind that the Flynn Effect is an *observation*. It doesn't depend on your viewpoint.

#1.1.1.2.1 Zachriel on 2023-03-23 15:40 (Reply)

Z: If someone {of average intelligence in 1930} were to take the same IQ tests that are used today, they would score in the 80s.

#1.1.1.2.1.1 Zachriel on 2023-03-23 15:48 (Reply)

This is 50% the fault of parents and 50% the fault of the schools and government. All children are eager to learn but just as eager to slack off and play or do something other than learn. 95% of these children could have been taught to read before age 6 and already reading books on their own. Welfare has destroyed the black family and destroyed black parenthood. This wasn't accidental. the Democrats did it in the 60's and they even said out loud that doing it would assure that blacks would vote for them forever just to get more free stuff.

#1.2 OneGuy on 2023-03-22 11:18 (Reply)

I hope you realize how white supremacist y'all sound with your worries about how to "fix" the "problem" of black illiteracy in San Francisco. What's wrong with illiteracy? It's just a social construct. Treating it as a problem is just one more way white people try to impose their standards on the black man.

#1.2.1 Jerryskids on 2023-03-22 14:29 (Reply)

LOL

But what saddens me in all of this is I know young people who never read a book, who have never read a book. I am reading three different books right now and also following half a dozen interest areas which involve research and reading. When I was a kid I had read all or most of 10,000 books before the 7th grade. I'm not the smartest person in the world but the pleasure and value I have gotten from reading over all these years (I'm 80 YO) is immense and kids and young people today don't do that anymore. Not all but most don't do that. I have sat for hours reading the cyclopedia, in fact my mother had me doing that when I was five years old. I cannot fathom not wanting to read. Young people today have no idea how much they don't know, have they read Shakespeare, Greek mythology, the classics? That would be like opening the door and walking in to where all the world's knowledge is stored. Not knowing it all yet but being introduced to it and being aware of what is there to be learned. It breaks my heart that our schools have walked away from this and for what? To encourage kids to change genders or sexuality, to hate capitalism or their culture. What a shame. What a waste.

#1.2.1.1 OneGuy on 2023-03-22 16:31 (Reply)

What a disgrace, having Russia's and China's leaders openly discussing the benefits of peace discussions, while the US prods its runt proxy to bravely continue the battle to self-destruction - while its European neighbors stand silent. What leadership, from the enlightened West.

#2 Aggie on 2023-03-22 08:41 (Reply)

"What a disgrace, having Russia's and China's leaders openly discussing the benefits of peace discussions..."

So, right after Pearl Harbor and the Fall of Bataan, you'd have been interested in the benefits of peace discussions with the Empire of Japan?

#2.1 JJM on 2023-03-22 12:11 (Reply)

QUOTE:

Xi and Putin having a 5 hour conference about taking over the world while Joe Biden meets with the cast of Ted Lasso pretty much sums up the state of things at the moment.

--Jesse Kelly@JesseKellyDC

#2.1.1 Zachinoff on 2023-03-22 19:33 (Reply)

QUOTE:

It was a settlement over claims of damages. (The lawsuit had been tossed by the court, but the settlement ended any appeal.) Jones was not hushed, but a non-disclosure agreement would not have been illegal.

With Trump, the money was misreported as legal expenses, and the non-disclosure was allegedly for campaign purposes.

#3 Zachriel on 2023-03-22 09:17 (Reply)

But, but this is "different" claim the Quibble-DickZ. Why? Because we say so, that’s why...

#3.1 Zachinoff on 2023-03-22 12:20 (Reply)

And where did poor old Bill, a former governor of Arkansas, come up with $850k to pay the settlement? Oh, that’s right, cattle futures and shady land deals. Maybe he dipped into some campaign cash. We’ll never know. One thing we do know, it’s always different when Democrats break the law.

#3.1.1 B. Hammer on 2023-03-22 16:04 (Reply)

B. Hammer: And where did poor old Bill, a former governor of Arkansas, come up with $850k to pay the settlement?

Mostly through speaker's fees and book royalties. Here's 16 years of the Clintons' tax returns.

#3.1.1.1 Zachriel on 2023-03-22 16:30 (Reply)

Notice the date: Saturday, November 14, 1998

https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/special/clinton/stories/jones111498.htm

Looks like the second string is working overtime there at Quibble-DickZ Inc.

#3.1.1.1.1 Zachinoff on 2023-03-22 17:37 (Reply)

Actually, there are 24 years of tax returns provided at the link. For instance, if you look at Schedule C for 2003, you will see Bill Clinton made $5 million on speaker's fees and writing.

Like all presidential candidates since Nixon, excepting Trump, the Clintons publicly released their tax returns. The president's returns are subject to an automatic audit by the IRS, something that also didn't happen with Trump's tax returns for some reason.

#3.1.1.2 Zachriel on 2023-03-22 16:43 (Reply)

Building another strawman is not a valid argument.

#3.1.1.2.1 Zachinoff on 2023-03-22 17:18 (Reply)

By the way, Lewinsky was 22 years old when she started her affair with Clinton.

#3.2 Zachriel on 2023-03-22 12:25 (Reply)

And another strawman offered by the Quibble-DickZ.
Seems all of their "arguments^ are of the "strawman" variety.

#3.2.1 Zachinoff on 2023-03-22 12:37 (Reply)

"By the way, Lewinsky was 22 years old when she started her affair with Clinton"

I'm going to correct that for you. "By the way, Lewinsky was 22 when the most powerful man in the US took advantage of her subordinate position and sexually abused her."

#3.2.2 eeyore on 2023-03-22 14:36 (Reply)

"what transpired between Bill Clinton and myself was not sexual assault, although we now recognize that it constituted a gross abuse of power." — Monica Lewinsky

Returning to the topic, paying Paula Jones was not illegal. Trump misreporting the payment to Stormy Daniels may have been.

#3.2.2.1 Zachriel on 2023-03-22 14:55 (Reply)

Returning to the topic that YOU digressed from?!?!

Gross abuse of power = sexual assault. Thanks for playing.

#3.2.2.1.1 eeyore on 2023-03-22 20:13 (Reply)

eeyore: Returning to the topic that YOU digressed from?!?!

It wasn’t the main point, but it wasn’t a digression. It was right in the headline of the cited article.

eeyore: Gross abuse of power = sexual assault.

Sexual assault generally refers to non-consensual sexual contact. That’s not how Lewinsky, with the benefit of hindsight, characterizes the affair. However, we’re glad you are on-board with the Me-Too movement.

#3.2.2.1.1.1 Zachriel on 2023-03-22 21:09 (Reply)

You're grasping at straws ...

https://trendingpoliticsnews.com/manhattan-d-a-knab-2/?utm_source=whatfinger

https://news.grabien.com/story-robert-costello-michael-cohen-told-me-trump-had-no-knowledge-of-hush-m

#3.2.2.1.2 indyjonesouthere on 2023-03-22 20:20 (Reply)

QUOTE:

Fox News legal analyst Gregg Jarrett on “Hannity” on Tuesday night revealed that Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg hid hundreds of pages of exculpatory evidence from the New York grand jury.

He can’t know what the grand jury has seen.

QUOTE:

Jarrett furthermore called for the disbarment of the prosecuting attorneys involved in the travesty of justice.

The People (prosecutors) are not required to provide exculpatory evidence to the grand jury. See People v Lancaster.

#3.2.2.1.2.1 Zachriel on 2023-03-22 21:20 (Reply)

This is basically the third go around on the same charges and if old Alvin Bragg doesn't want to get himself politically and legally gutted, he had better not be foolish enough to think he can get by with his BS and get no payback. Alvin is after more theatre and it WILL cost him dearly. All the lawfare attacks on Trump are for theatre and deflection from the current chaos, panic, and emergencies from an incompetent Biden regime.

#3.2.2.1.2.1.1 indyjonesouthere on 2023-03-23 00:06 (Reply)

Funny. Now what happened to that slam dunk indictment?

QUOTE:

“Now it’s time to arrest Manhattan DA Alvin Bragg for prosecutorial misconduct after hiding hundreds of pages of exculpatory evidence! Bragg is on the verge of indicting an innocent former President and top Presidential candidate against the opposing ruling party. Bragg is breaking the law and trying to incite civil unrest with his Soros funded political war. Hold him accountable.” Rep Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-GA)

#3.2.2.1.2.1.2 Zachinoff on 2023-03-23 00:09 (Reply)

indyjonesouthere: "Now it’s time to arrest Manhattan DA Alvin Bragg for prosecutorial misconduct after hiding hundreds of pages of exculpatory evidence!"

That was already answered. The People (prosecutors) are not required to provide exculpatory evidence to the grand jury. See People v Lancaster. Nor does anyone outside the grand jury know what evidence the grand jury has seen.

indyjonesouthere: This is basically the third go around on the same charges

Trump has never been charged on this. Until he is, there is no way to know what the exact charges will be or what the evidence might be. Upon hearing of any indictment, most Americans will probably have the same question, "Which crime?"

#3.2.2.1.2.1.3 Zachriel on 2023-03-23 09:22 (Reply)

No. He can be tried for misconduct. And there is no reason he can't be tried in Florida, Trumps home state. Bragg is practicing lawfare. Two previous attempts at the same game ended with prosecutors dropping any charges as there was no evidence. You keep denying previous attempts at harassment. Bragg is only the front man on this scam ... look for Weissman or Elias as the actual lawfare scammer.

#3.2.2.1.2.1.3.1 indyjonesouthere on 2023-03-23 10:35 (Reply)

See comment at bottom of thread.

#3.2.2.1.2.1.3.1.1 Zachriel on 2023-03-23 11:12 (Reply)

Hillary just settled a similar case with the FEC over misrepresenting payments to Perkins as legal fees when they were for the dossier. Didn't see any threats from AG's or the DOJ for arrest or indictments. It barely made a headline.

#3.3 indyjonesouthere on 2023-03-22 15:50 (Reply)

indyjonesouthere: Hillary just settled a similar case with the FEC over misrepresenting payments to Perkins as legal fees when they were for the dossier. Didn't see any threats from AG's or the DOJ for arrest or indictments.

That's because criminal law wasn't involved: It was a civil matter. The Clinton campaign argued that the expenses were properly reported but paid the fine without admitting fault.

#3.3.1 Zachriel on 2023-03-22 15:58 (Reply)

There is not a bit of difference between the cases as both were supposed representations of legal fees that were for other purposes.

#3.3.1.1 indyjonesouthere on 2023-03-22 16:14 (Reply)

indyjonesouthere: There is not a bit of difference between the cases as both were supposed representations of legal fees that were for other purposes.

Uh, yeah. Tax returns and FEC disclosures are covered under different laws.

#3.3.1.1.1 Zachriel on 2023-03-22 16:35 (Reply)

And Hillary placed the Perkins expenditures under what category in her tax filings?

#3.3.1.1.1.1 indyjonesouthere on 2023-03-22 17:00 (Reply)

Clinton wouldn’t put those expenses on her tax return. They were campaign expenses, reportable to the FEC.

#3.3.1.1.1.1.1 Zachriel on 2023-03-22 17:17 (Reply)

You don't actually know how they were expensed.

#3.3.1.1.1.1.1.1 indyjonesouthere on 2023-03-22 18:17 (Reply)

Yes, we do. The FEC disclosures are public records. Clinton’s personal returns have also been publicly disclosed.

#3.3.1.1.1.1.1.1.1 Zachriel on 2023-03-22 18:29 (Reply)

Personal returns are never broken down far enough to see an individual item ... they are categorized and it could show up under any category name.

#3.3.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1 indyjonesouthere on 2023-03-22 18:31 (Reply)

indyjonesouthere: Personal returns are never broken down far enough to see an individual item

Tax returns are subject to audit. But you’re not making much sense. There was a lawsuit which resulted in the Clinton campaign paying a penalty. All of this is public record.

#3.3.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1 Zachriel on 2023-03-22 21:02 (Reply)

You mentioned the key word ... subject to audit. You have lost ALL your marbles if you think the IRS would do an audit of the Clintons.

#3.3.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1 indyjonesouthere on 2023-03-22 23:38 (Reply)

indyjonesouthere: You have lost ALL your marbles if you think the IRS would do an audit of the Clintons.

The Clintons were audited by the IRS in 1993, 1994, 1995, 1996, 1997, 1998, 1999, 2000. They may have been audited in other years, but that information is not public.

#3.3.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1 Zachriel on 2023-03-23 09:28 (Reply)

Would this be the Louis Learner team of miscreants that kept rejecting conservative groups tax exempt status. We know all about the politicized government institutions that are blind to equality under the law. And now getting a big boost in budget from the old congress.

#3.3.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1 indyjonesouthere on 2023-03-23 10:42 (Reply)

indyjonesouthere: Would this be the Louis Learner team of miscreants that kept rejecting conservative groups tax exempt status.

Nope. Different time period and different jurisdiction (wrong place, wrong time).

#3.3.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1 Zachriel on 2023-03-23 11:05 (Reply)

Same politicized government institution.

#3.3.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1 indyjonesouthere on 2023-03-23 11:07 (Reply)

indyjonesoutthere: Same politicized government institution.

So, you throw spaghetti, and it doesn't stick. So, you throw some more. Every time you make unfounded or false claims, you simply shift to a different tack without granting the previous point.

#3.3.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1 Zachriel on 2023-03-23 11:13 (Reply)

There is a reason the current House is investigating the weaponization of government institutions. Institutions have been infiltrated by marxist opposition over a long period of time just as academia has been infiltrated by marxists over a long period of time. They are birds of a feather. Its why we have social studies and not civics (academia). Its why it takes a village and not two parents (government by Hillary).

#3.3.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1 indyjonesouthere on 2023-03-23 11:45 (Reply)

indyjonesouthere: There is a reason the current House is investigating the weaponization of government institutions.

Yeah. To assuage the politics of conspiracy theorists.

Notably, the investigation has yet to turn up any substantial evidence of government corruption. They have, however, pressured a state prosecutor who hasn't even indicted Donald ("I just want to find 11,780 votes") Trump.

#3.3.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1 Zachriel on 2023-03-23 11:50 (Reply)

Alvin Bragg will be front and center in the investigation if he continues his fake indictment. Perhaps he needs the attention. Then he can't play fast and loose with the "evidence".

#3.3.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1 indyjonesouthere on 2023-03-23 12:04 (Reply)

indyjonesouthere: Alvin Bragg will be front and center in the investigation if he continues his fake indictment.

He hasn't indicted Trump. If he does, he will be required to provide a specific statute that he accuses Trump of having violated, and the specific evidence to support that accusation. Until then, you are saying you want the prosecutor to be charged under a federal law you can't name for an action that hasn't even happened, under circumstances beyond our current knowledge.

There's a system for adjudicated such accusations. If, IF there is an indictment, then there will be a probable cause hearing. Trump will be able to argue for the charge to be tossed based on the statute of limitations question or that the weight of the evidence doesn't meet the burden of probable cause to sustain an indictment. If court finds probable cause, then there will be a trial, and prosecutor will have to prove the case beyond a reasonable doubt.

#3.3.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1 Zachriel on 2023-03-23 12:33 (Reply)

It is all theatre and Alvin wants a starring role. He will make a great starting point for the House investigation on weaponization of the institutions. Then there are the intelligence agencies, the covid fiasco and the new and abused banking system. A considerable amount of institutional weaponization to feed into the chipper.

#3.3.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1 indyjonesouthere on 2023-03-23 13:10 (Reply)

Tons of supposition by the NY AG, and those pesky statute of limitations who needs ‘em. Taking Michael Cohen’s word for anything is wish-casting, and this is from someone more than willing to let Trump hang himself.

If the left wants to know why America is/has lost faith in the judicial system and its components (the alphabet agencies), look no further. It’s banana republic sh*t, and it’s all self-inflicted ( a trait shared with Trump himself).

#3.4 Hoss on 2023-03-22 19:16 (Reply)

Hoss: and those pesky statute of limitations who needs ‘em.

The statute of limitations were tolled due to COVID. See Brash v. Richards.

Hoss: Taking Michael Cohen’s word for anything is wish-casting

They will certainly need more than just Cohen’s word for it.

#3.4.1 Zachriel on 2023-03-22 20:59 (Reply)

Toll or not, the timeline makes it moot; the toll was less than a year, not indefinite (and it’s hardly been tested). But indict him, gets him off the stage as a distraction.

#3.4.1.1 Hoss on 2023-03-22 23:02 (Reply)

Hoss: Toll or not, the timeline makes it moot; the toll was less than a year, not indefinite

You are correct that the statute of limitations will almost certainly be subject to judicial scrutiny, particularly with regard to Trump's physical presence in and out of New York since the alleged crime took place per People v. Knobel (1999).

#3.4.1.1.1 Zachriel on 2023-03-23 10:21 (Reply)

re White People Drinking Coffee Perpetuates 'Pillar of White Supremacist Capitalism'

28 everyday things that have now been labeled racist

The list is not all inclusive.

https://notthebee.com/article/thread-things-that-are-now-racist

#4 feeblemind on 2023-03-22 09:31 (Reply)

So coffee is racist?
Pour me another cup.

JWM

#5 jwm (Link) on 2023-03-22 09:35 (Reply)

I always have my coffee with a cracker. What does that make me?

#5.1 Aggie on 2023-03-22 09:59 (Reply)

re Insect farming is immoral?

So raising farming is immoral but killing unborn babies is moral.

Does that mean a bug's life is worth more than a human's life to these people?

#6 feeblemind on 2023-03-22 09:43 (Reply)

Our decisions to offshore our industries and jobs was disastrous. We need to reverse it. Subsidies was the second disastrous decision. That won't work and will simply make us poorer while our competitors get richer. The solution is simple; for all essential goods make it law that beginning in 2024 50% or more of those products must be manufactured inside the U.S. by U.S. workers in U.S owned companies. Then by 2025 that number must be 60%, by 2026 it must be 70% until we have reached 100%. In addition place a 20% to 100% tariff (the tariff wouldn't need to be the same for all products), on all good coming into this country and use the money to pay down the debt.

#7 OneGuy on 2023-03-22 10:31 (Reply)

Has peak insanity been reached yet? Here, hold my coffee.

The left has an endless supply of insanity. They are truly stuck on stupid.

#8 B. Hammer on 2023-03-22 11:13 (Reply)

Re: Why are literacy rates for San Francisco's black children so low

Does the appalling state of “public education”, especially for black kids, remind anyone else of how it was illegal in slave states to educate slaves?

#9 mudbug on 2023-03-22 11:31 (Reply)

QUOTE:

Politico isn't quite sure about the Constitution anymore . . .

QUOTE:

The state of journalism is such that an editor at one of the premier publications covering the federal government apparently doesn’t know that the United States is, in fact, a Republic. A representative democracy that is built upon federal principles where sovereignty is divided among various levels of government with different roles and responsibilities.

So, the statement,"We're a Republic, not a democracy," is wrong. The United States is both a republic and a democracy.

#10 Zachriel on 2023-03-22 12:21 (Reply)

Apparently Quibble-DickZ should read the quote once more then work on that comprehension thing.

#10.1 Zachinoff on 2023-03-22 14:50 (Reply)

A short version of the original story....

A lady asked Dr. Franklin, 'well Doctor, what have we got a republic or a monarchy?' 'A republic,' replied the Doctor, 'if you can keep it.'

#10.2 indyjonesouthere on 2023-03-22 16:09 (Reply)

indyjonesouthere: 'A republic,' replied the Doctor, 'if you can keep it.'

That's right! Notice that he made the distinction between a monarchy, where the king is sovereign, and a republic, where the people are sovereign.

#10.2.1 Zachriel on 2023-03-22 16:32 (Reply)

...and ... it's a republic. Not a word about a democracy. In fact they had a lot to say about a democracy ... and none of it good.

#11 indyjonesouthere on 2023-03-22 17:04 (Reply)

You are confused. When Madison referred to “democracy,” he usually meant a system where “people meet and exercise the government in person,” a pure democracy. Today, democracy refers to a government by elected representatives, but one where the franchise is universal.

#11.1 Zachriel on 2023-03-22 21:27 (Reply)

You are wrong again ... The founding fathers observed more than enough European political systems and revolutions to know exactly what democracy was. The "enlightenment" was about anything but reason and science. Reason and science were developed in the Christian religion. The actual enlightenment was all about raiding the churches for loot and property and finally ended up in the Vendee massacre.

#11.1.1 indyjonesouthere on 2023-03-22 23:56 (Reply)

indyjonesouthere: The founding fathers observed more than enough European political systems and revolutions to know exactly what democracy was.

Yes, they were highly educated on historical forms of government. When using the term democracy, the founders were referring to pure democracy, but nowadays the term is used to refer to representative democracy, with democracy a continuum based on how widespread the franchise might be. That's why the period of Andrew Jackson's presidency is called Jacksonian democracy, with the franchise extended to all white men, not just those of property. Later the franchise was extended to people regardless of race, and then to women.

Accurate: "We're a Republic, not a pure democracy."
Inaccurate: "We're a Republic, not a representative democracy."

#11.1.1.1 Zachriel on 2023-03-23 09:40 (Reply)

They are not referring to a pure democracy. Even voting rights were not universal for any group but restricted to white males of some means. They even tasted the blowback from the Vendee massacre when even Americans were threatened by the French liberty, equality, fraternity rascals. Americans left France for their own safety. Jackson expanded the voting franchise but not the founding fathers. They knew better. Now we have people voting that have produced nothing and have no intention of producing anything.

#12 indyjonesouthere on 2023-03-23 11:04 (Reply)

indyjonesouthere: They are not referring to a pure democracy.

“A pure democracy, by which I mean a society consisting of a small number of citizens, who assemble and administer the government in person, can admit of no cure for the mischiefs of faction." — Madison, Federalist No. 10

#12.1 Zachriel on 2023-03-23 11:10 (Reply)

That is a democracy of rulers and not a democracy of countrymen. As I said, only a small number could vote and without the republic they would have no rights. A republic protects rights and a democracy will shrink rights to zero.

#12.1.1 indyjonesouthere on 2023-03-23 11:28 (Reply)

indyjonesouthere: That is a democracy of rulers and not a democracy of countrymen.

Your statement seems disconnected. A pure democracy IS a democracy of countrymen.

indyjonesouthere: As I said, only a small number could vote and without the republic they would have no rights.

At the founding, only propertied white men could vote. And negros had "no rights which the white man was bound to respect." That was an untenable situation, and the United States fell into bloody civil war.

"The right of suffrage is a fundamental Article in Republican Constitutions. . . Under every view of the subject, it seems indispensable that the Mass of Citizens should not be without a voice, in making the laws which they are to obey" —- James Madison

Nonetheless, for better or for worse, the United States is a democratic republic.

#12.1.1.1 Zachriel on 2023-03-23 11:44 (Reply)

indyjonesouthere: He {Bragg?} can be tried for misconduct.

Misconduct? Which specific statute? If you are referring to Bragg, then the only thing posted above is that he withheld exculpatory evidence from the grand jury, but investigating attorneys are not required to provide exculpatory evidence to the grand jury, and there's no way to know what he has provided to the grand jury. There's not even an indictment yet!

indyjonesouthere: And there is no reason he can't be tried in Florida, Trumps home state.

How can he be tried in Florida for allegedly breaking New York law?

#13 Zachriel on 2023-03-23 11:04 (Reply)

If he is smart there will be no indictment and he will disappear from the theatrical scene. Bragg can be charged under federal law and in Florida. Trump has civil rights like anyone else. Keep harassing with the same scam and find out.

#13.1 indyjonesouthere on 2023-03-23 11:13 (Reply)

Z: Which specific statute?

indyjonesouthere {waving his hands}: Bragg can be charged under federal law and in Florida.

Which specific Florida statute?

#13.1.1 Zachriel on 2023-03-23 11:15 (Reply)

Read the previous post. He doesn't need to be charged under Florida law but under federal law in Florida. You don't actually think that New York courts would try him. New York courts are the problem, not the solution.

#13.1.1.1 indyjonesouthere on 2023-03-23 11:32 (Reply)

indyjonesouthere: Read the previous post.

We did. You again failed to mention the specific statute.

#13.1.1.1.1 Zachriel on 2023-03-23 11:46 (Reply)

Under federal law not Florida law. Bragg is begging to get charged by a federal judge in Florida if he continues withholding evidence from the Grand jury when everyone but the Grand jury knows the evidence negates any charges. Trump has civil rights and Bragg doesn't seem to accept that along with New York and DC courts.

#13.1.1.1.1.1 indyjonesouthere on 2023-03-23 11:55 (Reply)

indyjonesouthere: Bragg is begging to get charged by a federal judge in Florida if he continues withholding evidence from the Grand jury when everyone but the Grand jury knows the evidence negates any charges.

Under what statute?

Most states don't require the investigating attorneys to provide exculpatory evidence to a grand jury (or only in certain circumstances), nor do we know what evidence the grand jury has been provided as the grand jury works in secret.

#13.1.1.1.1.1.1 Zachriel on 2023-03-23 12:27 (Reply)

But a grand jury witness informed the grand jury that Alvin was withholding evidence and what the evidence was. Even you can read it over at Western Rifle Shooters blog. Alvin may miss out on his starring role with Trump but not with the House committee.

#14 indyjonesouthere on 2023-03-23 13:15 (Reply)

indyjonesouthere: But a grand jury witness informed the grand jury that Alvin was withholding evidence and what the evidence was.

So, the grand jury won't indict?

#14.1 Zachriel on 2023-03-23 15:41 (Reply)

I have no idea how foolish prosecutors and Grand Juries are in New York. But it seems they are at the top of the foolish list. And now we also have two prosecutors that were egging Alvin on to indict. Don't know who they are but they are likely white, well connected, marxist lawyers of the SDNY variety.

#14.1.1 indyjonesouthere on 2023-03-23 17:54 (Reply)

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