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Saturday, March 4. 2023Saturday morning linksHow eccentric religions were born in 19th-century America. Democratic freedom, rapturous religion, and newspapers created a hotbed for social experimentation in 19th-century America. As Kenya’s Crops Fail, a Fight Over GMOs Rages. Faced with extreme drought, Kenya’s president approved a controversial new crop for farmers. Then the legal backlash began. Half the World Faces Starvation Under Net Zero Policies, Say Two Top Climate Scientists How ‘Progressive Discipline’ Turned Ontario Schools into a Battleground A university finally stands up to woke virtue signaling Where Rich Students Are Told: ‘You Deserve This’ - At elite colleges the “best and brightest” are shamelessly flattered. 40 Percent of Liberal Professors Are Afraid They'll Lose Their Jobs Over a Misunderstanding Victor Davis Hanson: The Woke Wrecking Machine Now California reparations panel RAISES amount it wants to give 1.8m black people from $220,000 to $360,000 each in $650 BILLION give away - as hearing is told payments are 'only way to stop our children busting into liquor and grocery stores' It begins: NYT and its Democrats launch bid to revamp Kamala Harris into presidential material Talking Peace in Ukraine Trackbacks
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"How ‘Progressive Discipline’ Turned Ontario Schools into a Battleground"
I remember in the 60's when many countries excoriated the U.S. because of the many problems we faced and the way they were reported dealing with black crime. There was a very clear "better than thou" attitude by these countries and that included Canada. But since then many/most of these countries have eagerly embraced immigration both legal and illegal and now they have inherited the wind. You can almost see the understanding in their face as it dawns on them that these are people who cannot be civilized. Like the five stages of grief now they will go through the period where they will blame themselves and their own culture. Next it will be the stage where we just need to give them more free stuff. Good luck Canada on your journey from a civilized country known for your polite hard working educated citizens to Wakanda. OneGuy: You can almost see the understanding in their face as it dawns on them that these are people who cannot be civilized.
'Those French, Irish, Italians, Poles, Jews, Germans, Chinese, Asian Indians United Staters can never be civilized.' (The largest proportion of current immigration to Canada is from China, India, and Philippines.) Looks as if the Quibble-DickZ are fond of using the non sequitur today.
Ah yes... India. Ahem
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re Half the World Faces Starvation Under Net Zero Policies, Say Two Top Climate Scientists
I suspect the people that want to ban nitrogen fertilizer see the loss of half the world's population to be a benefit of the ban. Indeed, it may be the goal of the plan. Imagine how much smaller our collective carbon foot print would be with 4 billion less people? The supporters of a mass die-off need an efficient way to kill vast numbers of people and starvation is a more subtle way than extermination camps. QUOTE: Half the World Faces Starvation Under Net Zero Policies, Say Two Top Climate Scientists As they are making an appeal to authority, it is appropriate to point out that, while Richard Lindzen is a climate scientist, William Happer is not. QUOTE: The authors make a general point that any present or future Government actions that omit analysis of the disastrous consequences of reducing fossil fuels and CO2 to Net Zero for low income people, people worldwide, future generations and the United States, “is fatally flawed science and appalling government policy”. Lindzen and Happer are almost certainly wrong about anthropogenic global warming. As this error is the basis of their position, their conclusion is unfounded. However, they are right that the negative effects along with the positive effects to society of reducing carbon emissions must be considered as humanity moves forward. The effects are being considered, of course. That's why the rate of change is so slow. They are also right that there is no current substitute for the use of nitrogen in agriculture. That doesn't mean emissions from fertilization can't be reduced, though. QUOTE: Quibble-DickZ: Lindzen and Happer are almost certainly wrong about anthropogenic global warming. Oh really? Or is that just another talking point y'all cribbed from ChatGPT? If only half of the world's population faces starvation, that's not good enough. We need to eliminate at least 90% of these useless eaters to ensure Mother Gaia's approval. Humanity is a cancer upon the Earth and we'd all be better off if humans just went extinct. Imagine the Paradise we'd be living in if there were no humans!
Jerryskids: Imagine the Paradise we'd be living in if there were no humans!
Actually, we're rather fond of the humans. Perhaps it's just a matter of taste. Call it a peccadillo, if you like. "Humanity is a cancer upon the Earth and we'd all be better off if humans just went extinct. Imagine the Paradise we'd be living in if there were no humans!"
I always wonder why those who make such statements never somehow manage to demonstrate their ideological convictions by setting the example and going first. I have never heard an expert, a proponent of these polices or anyone who has said any of it will actually help stop AGW. They all admit that it cannot be stopped. AND they all go a step further and say that nothing that the west does will slow or reverse the continuing warming because China and India will continue to increase their pollutions by tens and even hundreds of times what the entire Western world has presently. So even if you believe the grift of AGW everyone agrees it cannot be reversed or stopped. So tell me again why we are going to starve millions to death and require everyone else to huddle in homes without heat!
OneGuy: I have never heard an expert, a proponent of these polices or anyone who has said any of it will actually help stop AGW.
Some anthropogenic warming has already occurred. More warming is baked in, even if humans were to suddenly stop emitting. And humans are continuing to emit, so even more warming is expected. OneGuy: They all admit that it cannot be stopped. Warming will stop. The question is at what level, which largely depends on human actions. Climate sensitivity is about 2-4°C per doubling of CO2. Warming over 2°C will likely result in significant climate disruption. OneGuy: So tell me again why we are going to starve millions to death and require everyone else to huddle in homes without heat! That's not a reasonable solution. Any reasonable solution has to allow for continued economic development essential for the technological advancement required to address the problem, while allowing people to prosper. Humans built the modern infrastructure, and most of it gets replaced every generation or so, so updating the infrastructure to reduce emissions is a more reasonable solution. B. Hammer: What’s the optimal earth temperature?
Humans tend to thrive in a stable environment. Civilization was built up during a long period of relative climate stability. Modern civilization, in particular, has huge infrastructure that depends on climate stability, such as hundreds of millions living on coastal plains, or near rivers that depend on glacial melt or consistent monsoons. Humans are highly adaptable. This adaptive ability is enhanced by modern science, which allows humans to project anthropogenic changes to the environment. It's a great gift. The rate of climate change due to anthropogenic global warming is higher than would normally occur naturally. Climate change could result in mass migration, which would put human political systems under stresses to which they are not well adapted. Ecosystems would also be impaired. Humans may permanently lose much of their natural inheritance. However, the economic and environmental damage is lower the sooner humans make changes. Another non sequitur response from Quibble-DickZ.
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Zachinoff
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2023-03-04 11:40
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More specifically, the stable temperature over the last 2,000 years would be between -0.1°C and +0.5°C, as seen on this chart. The spiking temperature on the right, which is expected to continue, represents a radical departure from the stable temperature regime.
The fact that you rely on Mann’s hockey stick graph is all anyone needs to know.
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mudbug
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2023-03-04 15:08
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mudbug: The fact that you rely on Mann’s hockey stick graph is all anyone needs to know.
See PAGES 2k Consortium, Nature Geoscience 2013. Mann is not an author. Also, see Osman et al., Globally resolved surface temperatures since the Last Glacial Maximum, Nature 2021. Osman 2021 has enough resolution to provide regional details. As you can see, the science has moved on considerably. If you believe the reconstructions are in error, you should point to specific issues. "Is not!" and "He's a doody head!" are not very effective scientific arguments.
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Zachriel
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2023-03-04 15:21
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This temperature reconstruction shows the entirety of human civilization. From 9,000 years ago to recent times, the Earth's surface gradually warmed about 0.5°C. See Osman et al., Globally resolved surface temperatures since the Last Glacial Maximum, Nature 2021: "the rate and magnitude of modern warming are unusual relative to the changes of the past 24 thousand years."
A lot of gibberish and no answer.
I didn’t ask about ‘warming’ rates. I didn’t ask about human abilities to adapt to change. I didn’t ask for charts and assumptions. Assumptions put together by political operatives. If they were real scientists they would bow to the numerous questions concerning their data and work to resolve the dispute. Instead they flail away with lawsuits and use the cancel culture to disappear those that question them from public discourse. We can barely keep our homes within a stable 1°C temperature range. We expect the entire planet to maintain a stable temperature, a temperature that is, by your many attempts to move away from the question, unknown.
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B. Hammer
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2023-03-04 16:20
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B. Hammer: A lot of gibberish and no answer.
You asked, "What’s the optimal earth temperature?" We answered directly. Assuming you mean what is the optimal earth temperature for humans, humans tend to thrive in a stable environment. The global mean temperature over the last few thousand years has stayed within a few tens of a degree. That is the "optimal earth temperature" for humans. A sudden rise of 2-4°C would not be optimal for humans or the ecosystems they rely upon.
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Zachriel
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2023-03-04 16:43
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B. Hammer: What’s the optimal earth temperature?
Perhaps this will help. Instead, ask what is the optimal sea level (for humans). The answer is WHERE IT IS NOW!
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Zachriel
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2023-03-05 08:33
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So what is the optimal earth temperature?
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Hank_M
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2023-03-05 16:06
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Hank_M: So what is the optimal earth temperature?
Asked and answered. For humans, the same mean temperature it has been for the thousands of years of human settled development, ~14-15°C. By the way, without the greenhouse effect, the Earth would be a chilly -18°C rather than the balmy +15°C that it is.
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Zachriel
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2023-03-05 16:47
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The California reparations story is getting hilarious. Of course it will never happen and can't happen, but the journey to get to everyone knowing this is quite funny. I do understand this is a Democrat ploy to keep blacks voting for them. I do understand that it is a plan by racist black groups to create more violence and hate. But you still have to laugh at the people stepping up to the microphone demanding even greater amounts of reparations than the last amount proposed. They think they are actually going to get this money! I think that California's leaders are setting themselves up for another race riot like the Rodney King riots when all these people discover that there will be no reparations coming.
The denial of reparations will create generations of racial animosity, but there are those who benefit thereby. The odd thing is that the proponents don't realize what a non starter reparations are, a third rail for democrat politicians like defund the police.
Now I will say what can not be said; the only justification for reparations is that the legacy of slavery is genetic, selection on selection. Jim Crow; 1-800-hardly. How does the denial of opportunities to one's an ancestors make a problem for someone who has opportunities? "How does the denial of opportunities to one's an ancestors make a problem for someone who has opportunities?"
Perfect! Absolutely perfect! That is the whole point in a nutshell. And of course you are absolutely right. What the denial of opportunities to one's ancestors makes IS; the opportunity to grift! You don't have to "seize the opportunity" or "put your nose to the grindstone" or "work hard and prosper" because you can grift for free stuff. Sf jeff: How does the denial of opportunities to one's an ancestors make a problem for someone who has opportunities?
The average white family has much greater net worth than Black or Hispanic families, meaning white children are born with much better prospects. There's also systemic disparities. For instance, whites have more connections to power structures, from business to colleges. Notably, minorities as diverse as Blacks, Native Americans, and Hispanics have similar social problems. "The average white family has much greater net worth than Black or Hispanic families"
I grew up poor. My mother and father worked and we kids would work around the house. As a child I collected newspapers and rags to sell to the "junkman" for 5 cents 100 lbs. I shoveled snow in the winter. When I was 13 I worked in a car wash. After high school I always had two jobs. I worked as a mechanic and as a machinist. I joined the military at 21 and discovered I enjoyed it enough to stay for 20 years. During those 20 years I got three associate degrees, two bachelors degrees and after I left the service I spent three years while working full time to get my masters degree. Those exact opportunities are open to any citizen. No special treatment, no white privilege, nothing but hard work. It is pure bullshit to say that anyone, black, white, brown or other doesn't have plenty of opportunities in America. Do rich people have it better? I suppose so, ask Oprah she would know. Even Obama, a poor black man born in Kenya is a multimillionaire today. Although if you or I did what he did to become rich we would have gone to jail. You can't look at someone else's wealth or good fortune and use that as an excuse to give up. It is 100% up to you to succeed or fail. OneGuy: I grew up poor.
Not too big on averages, huh? When was that? OneGuy: My mother and father worked and we kids would work around the house. Two parents and a house?
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Zachriel
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2023-03-04 21:47
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OneGuy: Even Obama, a poor black man born in Kenya is a multimillionaire today. Although if you or I did what he did to become rich we would have gone to jail.
Obama was born in the United States and made his money writing best-selling books. Is that illegal on your country?
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Zachriel
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2023-03-04 21:56
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Obama himself said he was born in Kenya. He wrote that in his own book. His aunt was there at his birth and she proudly continued to proclaim that until he decided to run for president after which she mysteriously disappeared. This is all a fact and you are a denier.
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OneGuy
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2023-03-05 09:56
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OneGuy: Obama himself said he was born in Kenya. He wrote that in his own book.
Quite the contrary. From Dreams From My Father: QUOTE: A month. That's how long we would have together, the five of us in my grandparents' living room most evenings, during the day on drives around the island or on short walks past the private landmarks of a family: the lot where my father's apartment had once stood; the remodeled hospital where I had been born; my grandparents' first house in Hawaii, before the one on University Avenue, a house I had never known.
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Zachriel
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2023-03-05 10:14
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Typical Democrat "solution": throw more money at the problem.
You can take the Negro out of the jungle, but... Maniac: You can take the Negro out of the jungle, but..
Then there's the problem of racism. The Negro tribesman captured and marketed neighboring negros as they were the only really profitable export they had. Were they racist?
40 Percent of Liberal Professors Are Afraid They'll Lose Their Jobs Over a Misunderstanding. A misunderstanding, mind you. Not that they are guilty of wrongthink, oh heavens, no! It's just that something they said or did was misunderstood as wrongthink! They never! I swear! I would never think such a wrongthink! Please don't hurt me! Hahahahahaha! When the wrongthink changes at a rapidly increasing pace, everybody's guilty at some point and all your protestations that you've always supported the death penalty for wrongthinkers will avail you not a whit - it's your turn to be eaten. The revolution always eats its own - if you'd ever bothered to learn from history, you'd know this. But you were special, weren't you? The old rules didn't apply to you, did they? So suck it.
40% of leftist professors….
Schadenfreude. Nothing better than seeing people getting cannibalized by the monster they helped create. And trying to turn Kamala into presidential material is a task Sisyphus would laugh at. Re African problems with feeding the population: I have read that a lot of aid to the various countries is dependent on those countries NOT engaging in modern farming practices such as using fertilizer, growing GMO crops, etc. In essence, the aid community is forcing African nations to adopt seriously sub-optimal farming practices - which will seriously limit said countries' ability to feed their citizens - if they wish any aid money. Ironically, adoption of the "evil" Western agricultural practices would not only allow African nations to feed their people, but would also mean fewer acres are required to do that so there is less pressure on the natural environment.
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