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Sunday, October 9. 2022
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Those were good ideas. However, he did kind of ignore the need for election reform. The United States is rated very low on election integrity compared to other countries. Also, once people believe their votes doesn't count everything stops working.
I would like to add a few ideas.
1. We have an immigration moratorium. Except for the visa program that allows exceptional individuals and families to come and maybe temporary farm worker visas we don't need anybody else. All of the baloney about immigration being in economic benefit is bogus. There is very little if any economic benefit from immigration and what little there is is captured almost entirely by the people who hire immigrants and the immigrants themselves. Not to mention the environmental impact and social issues it causes.
2. We stop having wars. That's right. We stop invading people for democracy. We closed our 800 foreign bases and bring our men and women home. It's insane to realize the United States has been at war with someone almost every single year since 1776. We need to stop invading people for righteous reasons and take care of our own country first.
3. Our economic system is going to collapse because everything is based on debt that people on top knew they would never have to pay back. Invading the world inviting the world and going in debt to the world is not a good system for any civilization.
Robert Moffett: The United States is rated very low on election integrity compared to other countries.
Freedom House rates the United State high for its electoral system. The weaknesses they see have to do with gerrymandering and the influence of money, not with the actual vote count.
Robert Moffett: Our economic system is going to collapse because everything is based on debt
It's not inevitable as the people can decide to change course. But you are correct about current debt and deficits levels being unsustainable. For generations, politicians have told the American people that they could cut taxes and maintain benefits. But that was never true.
Imagine a civilized democratic country where more than half the voters rose up over obvious corruption in an election and demanded answers and some effort to repair a broken election system. What would be a civilized democratic response. Why of course the law makers and politicians of all stripes would make every effort to find and fix the problems and bring any "cheaters" to justice. But what we in America experienced after the 2020 election was exactly the opposite.
Counties and election departments refused even after court orders to bring forth proof that the election wasn't stolen. We have videos where ballots and records were being destroyed by election officials rather than make them available for scrutiny. We have entire states who fought every effort to bring transparency to the election. Some key states sent out 1.8 million mail in ballots and received back close to 5 million ballots many of which were not even folded and only voted for the presidency or a senator. The list of discrepancies could fill suitcases hidden under tables or van loads of boxes dropped off by strangers at 3:00 AM. We have "prefect" evidence thanks to cell phone records and video cameras set up at drop boxes of mules (they could have been Democrat donkeys) dropping hundreds of ballots that they picked up at NGO's that have been identified as Democrat operative fronts. The list is enormous of clear voter fraud and our leaders failed us terribly.
And now there is a concerted effort to force everyone to say those "two words" that election fraud was proven wrong and Trump lied. In fact if you dare say what is obvious to all of us out here in flyover country that the election was massively stolen they ban you from social media and TV. THAT more than all the denials tells you so much as to why they didn't want investigations. At this point this is treason, an assault on our democracy, an insurrection. We will never forget and never forgive.
SillyMe: But what we in America experienced after the 2020 election was exactly the opposite.
Listing apocryphal evidence doesn't make it actual evidence. However, feel free to provide specific evidence of one case you consider to be significant election fraud.
Inadvertently you have zeroed in on the problem like a laser beam. Just listing the mountain of evidence was insufficient. What should have happened is American politicians on both sides should have put America first and proved that either voter fraud happened or it did not. And they chose to hide and cover up and deny instead!!! And THAT is the problem. Because if there had been no voter fraud a thorough and open/transparent investigation would have quelled those concerns and we would not be a divided country (the patriots vs the treasonous, criminal Democrats).
Gableman’s Report has eleven different sections, but as to outright fraud the heart of it is Section 7, with the title “The Wisconsin Elections Commission (WEC) Unlawfully Directed Clerks to Violate Rules Protecting Nursing Home Residents, Resulting in a 100% Voting Rate in Many Nursing Homes in 2020, Including Many Ineligible Voters.” Here’s the gist:
Rampant fraud and abuse occurred statewide at Wisconsin’s nursing homes and other residential care facilities in relation to absentee voting at these facilities. This fraud and abuse was the ultimate result of unlawful acts by WEC’s [Wisconsin Election Commission] members and its staff. . . .
It seems that the Wisconsin statutes contain very specific procedures with respect to absentee voting by nursing home residents. In a procedure that appears specifically designed to prevent staff or political operatives from putting undue pressure on vulnerable nursing home residents, the Wisconsin statutes state that absentee ballots from such residents must be filled out in the presence of trained state representatives known as Special Voting Deputies, or SVDs. In 2020, the Wisconsin Election Commission purported to waive those procedures (supposedly in light of Covid), and indeed instructed nursing homes simply to mail the ballots in. Suddenly, dozens of nursing homes known to have large numbers of mentally disabled people recorded voting rates of 100%. Here is a chart from page 90 of the Report:
The Special Counsel conducted numerous interviews investigating the circumstances of these suspiciously high voting rates. I’ll give you only some brief excerpts:
In Brown County Facility 1, 20 absentee ballots were cast. A study of the Absentee Ballot Envelopes obtained through open records request revealed all 20 of the envelopes were witnessed by the same person. At this facility, Resident A voted, and Resident A’s family provided copies of that resident’s signature against the signature on the absentee envelope, and they do not match. Further, Resident A does not have the mental capacity to vote as is evinced in a video interview.
At the same facility, Resident B, according to WisVote data, voted twice, both by absentee ballot.
In Brown County Facility 2, Resident C voted in 2020. According to family, Resident C was not of sound mind for over 10 years. This is documented in a video interview;
In Brown County Facility 3, Resident D was taken from the facility to vote by family and guardian to Resident D’s assigned polling location. Resident D had registered to vote at this location on Oct 29th as well. When Resident D presented herself to vote on election day, the Resident D was told that Resident D had already voted. After questioning from family, Resident D recollected that someone at the nursing home had come around talking about voting at the nursing home, however, Resident D denied voting at the home. WisVote shows her voting absentee.
Please everyone who hasn't seen 2000 Mules https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRn0rxRqc5g&t=2s go watch it.
SillyMe: Inadvertently you have zeroed in on the problem like a laser beam. Just listing the mountain of evidence was insufficient.
We were quite advertent. You pointed to a mythical mountain, but didn't provide specifics.
Oh, I'm bound to go where there ain't no snow
Where the rain don't fall, the wind don't blow
In the Big Rock Candy Mountains
maddog: Resulting in a 100% Voting Rate in Many Nursing Homes in 2020
"A review of 2020 poll books in Dane County by the Wisconsin State Journal found just one nursing home with 100% turnout (it had just 12 registered voters), while turnout in other facilities ranged from 42% to 91%."
They didn't even get the basic facts right. Nor can a voter be refused the right to vote unless they are ruled incompetent by a court. Meanwhile, the investigator, Michael Gableman, who was hired by Republicans in the state assembly, was fired by Republicans.
IdahoBob: Please everyone who hasn't seen 2000 Mules https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRn0rxRqc5g&t=2s go watch it.
“If you take 2 million cell phones and figure out where they are physically in a big city like Atlanta or wherever, just by definition, you will find many hundreds of them have passed by and spent time in the vicinity of these boxes." — Bill Barr, Attorney General appointed by President Trump
Clearly you haven't seen the movie OR you are lying through your teeth hoping that others who haven't seen the movie will believe that crap.
Bill Barr! What a disappointment he has been. I would guess the reason is he didn't like Trump and/or he is in the big club and Trump and the middle class aren't in the big club. Retrospectively it would seem that Barr was recommende3d to Trump by someone who wanted to sink the ship of state or at least prevent the DOJ from being fixed.
Bill Barr is not stupid, dishonest it would seem but not stupid. So he would know as most people know that the 2020 election was massively stolen. And yet he persists... There is a special place in hell for the Benidict Arnold's and Judas of the world. Barr will feel right at home. Et tu Barr!
IdahoBob: Bill Barr!
Notably, you didn't respond to the point raised.
Here is more https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2022/10/10/connecting-things-konnech-election-compromise-ccp-infiltration-ceo-arrest-true-the-vote-and-recent-deep-state-misinformation-efforts/#more-238490 about the stolen election
IdahoBob: Here is more
That doesn’t address the point either.
We have all been to vacation destinations where someone, maybe just a "barker" on a street corner or some young woman in a tiny booth just inside a mall, starts the conversation by saying "Hi! Where are you folks from?". Well of course nothing is more fun than talking about ourselves so we stop and begin a conversation. This is of course a grift, this is how a grift begins. They could care less where you are from their business is to trick you into something. Something that had you been paying more attention you wouldn't consider for a second.
There is someone, some groups, some cabal that wants something and the climate/renewable/etc. grift is how they get it. They could care less that it will harm you and our country they want our wealth and power and they will stop at nothing. Frankly I would prefer that they at least ask me where we are from and small talk about how great that place is before they slip their hands into my pocket.