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Monday, January 31. 2022Monday morning linksObservations Confirm That Orcas Feed on Blue Whales. The orcas, mostly females, attacked the blue whales in coordinated attacks and feasted upon their gigantic tongues. The Cult Of Safety U.K. university adds trigger warning to first Harry Potter book Brown University’s Woke Professors Battle Diversity (of Viewpoint) On Decency and Double Standards at Georgetown - Do apologies mean anything anymore? Consider the case of Ilya Shapiro. The Smart People Have Another Way To Save The Planet: Demand That Public Companies Reduce Their Emissions Inside MSNBC's big shakeup Why The Wall Street Journal Is Wrong About The 2020 Election These NYPD-hating pols are a huge problem for Mayor Eric Adams’ war on crime The Church of the Liberal Pieties Black Lives Matter's Incredibly Shady Finances Get Shadier Marxist BLM Leader Patrisse Khan-Cullors Bought Four High-End Homes in US Before Stepping Down — And Is Now Linked to $6 Million Mansion in Canada The Canadian truckers are fascists Trackbacks
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British WW2 prison camp where every inmate was a genius
QUOTE: Together, these men comprised a dazzling cross-section of luminaries from the worlds of art, fashion, media, technology and academia that would have made for an exceptional gathering in any circumstances, let alone behind the palisade of barbed wire that surrounded the gathering. The men were among 1,200 inmates of 'P camp', known as 'Hutchinson' because it had been built on Hutchinson Square in Douglas, Isle of Man. The camp was so overcrowded that internees had to share beds, no matter how esteemed they were. Most were refugees from Nazi Germany who had been rounded up as 'enemy aliens' at the outbreak of the Second World War. Many were Jewish. . . . . Here were refugees from Nazi oppression, pledging loyalty to a country that had imprisoned them on suspicion of being Nazi spies. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10455581/British-WW2-prison-camp-inmate-genius.html And Europe keeps reminding us how racist we are, remember.
One wonders if FDR knew of this and was just following Great Britain's example with the internment of Japanese-Americans?
Looking back on a Monday morning it is obvious that the Japanese internment was unfair. BUT it wasn't racism or xenophobia it was necessary. Immediately after Pearl Harbor some Japanese on the West coast declared their support of Japan in the war and plotted and carried out acts of sabotage. The U.S. government pleaded with the Japanese-American leaders to turn in these supporters of Japan and were met with a cold shoulder. Now remember this important fact; at that time no one was sure that the U.S. and our allies would win this war. SO the only logical thing the U.S. could do was inter the Japanese from the West coast.
By the way the largest sabotage attack on the U.S. was a huge explosion in an LA port that destroyed munitions and ships and killed a lot of civilians and military and it was likely committed by Japanese-Americans. Another point too if you compare the treatment of our soldiers and sailors during the war, the uncaptured soldiers and sailors. The japanese who were interred were treated better and lived under better conditions. The internment camps were not gulags or concentration camps. By definition, they were concentration camps. They also suffered illegal seizure of property. These were American citiziens who committed no crimes, had nor due process. War doesn't justify violent violation of the individual, nor the disregard of our founding documents. It was an act that was in direct opposition to our principles. It also wasn't the first time it happend and it likely won't be the last. There is a significant minority today that justify it for their own reasons.
It's also a typcial Socialist Progressive position that violating the rights of the individual is permissible to advance the rights of society. That's what social justice is. If you want to defend the position of American Fascism, which is exactly what FDR was, just to argue with a marxist troll, then at least we all know your true colors.
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jack walter
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2022-02-01 07:26
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feeblemind: One wonders if FDR knew of this and was just following Great Britain's example with the internment of Japanese-Americans?
FDR originally resisted painting all Japanese Americans as a possible security threat (Munson Report 1941), but public opinion quickly turned against people of Japanese descent after Pearl Harbor. OneGuy: BUT it wasn't racism or xenophobia it was necessary. If you arrest all Japanese Americans because of what some few did, then it is racism, by definition. OneGuy: Immediately after Pearl Harbor some Japanese on the West coast declared their support of Japan in the war and plotted and carried out acts of sabotage. The U.S. government pleaded with the Japanese-American leaders to turn in these supporters of Japan and were met with a cold shoulder. Citation please. "If you arrest all Japanese Americans because of what some few did, then it is racism, by definition.
Or it could be the more obvious and logical reason that the government wanted the U.S. to survive the war!!! Was the attack on Pearl Harbor a racist attack?
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OneGuy
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2022-01-31 11:11
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OneGuy: Or it could be the more obvious and logical reason that the government wanted the U.S. to survive the war!!!
You failed to provide support for your claim. The evidence was that Japanese Americans as a group were very loyal to the United States.
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Zachriel
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2022-01-31 11:38
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QUOTE: You failed to provide support for your claim. Classic Zachriel. You provided no proof to your original claim that FDR resisted interning the Japanese, but demand citations from everyone else.
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B. Hammer
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2022-01-31 12:07
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B. Hammer: You provided no proof to your original claim that FDR resisted interning the Japanese
You might start with "Documents from the National Archives: Internment of Japanese Americans", Kendall/Hunt Publishing Company, 1989: "During Congressional committee hearings, Department of Justice representatives raised constitutional and ethical objections to the proposal". This does not minimize the blotch on Roosevelt's record. At first he waffled, but he approved the order, and then signed the enabling legislation.
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Zachriel
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2022-01-31 13:07
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QUOTE: "During Congressional committee hearings, Department of Justice representatives raised constitutional and ethical objections to the proposal" Another classic misdirection from the Institute. I know there is at least one individual at the Institute that does better work than this. Where is he\she, today? Your original claim was that, “FDR originally resisted painting all Japanese Americans as a possible security threat.” You have not shown any evidence to back up this claim. As a matter of fact, if Justice department officials were arguing against it, for Constitutional reasons, that is even more evidence of FDR’s racism. However, as your broad brush claims (in other posts), the American people were even worse.
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B. Hammer
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2022-01-31 15:01
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B. Hammer: However, as your broad brush claims (in other posts), the American people were even worse.
Many Americans were. We provided support for our position. Roosevelt commissioned a report which determined that the Japanese Americans didn't constitute a national security threat, but he was a politician, and there was a war on. Indeed, Japanese Americans were largely left alone in Hawaii.
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Zachriel
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2022-01-31 15:22
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IMHO we are about to prove you dramatically wrong. We will have another war. It will involve Muslim nations and radical Muslim activists. And our large and growing population of unassimilated Muslims will contribute to the attack on the American homeland. AND our government, out of fear of being called racists will not take the necessary action of separating the unassimilated Muslims within our borders thus allowing unfettered sabotage and killing. Why? Because of the fatal belief that just because someone or a group does not look like you that therefore any action to the person/group even to protect life and limb is "bad" and you cannot do it. You must simply suffer the attacks in silence and accept the results as justified by the simple fact that you are the wrong color!!!
Your thesis is stupid and wrong. It is so obvious that it and you are stupid and wrong that no citation is required.
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OneGuy
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2022-01-31 12:17
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OneGuy: IMHO we are about to prove you dramatically wrong.
Still don't see any support for your claim that "Japanese on the West coast declared their support of Japan in the war and plotted and carried out acts of sabotage. The U.S. government pleaded with the Japanese-American leaders to turn in these supporters of Japan and were met with a cold shoulder."
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Zachriel
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2022-01-31 13:08
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Maybe you should have someone else in the Institute of Zachriel, research this subject. As the man, FDR, himself said, “Japanese immigrants are not capable of assimilation into the American population…”
The Munson report, circulated amongst the cabinet on February 5, which in part stated that, “There is no Japanese problem on the West Coast…" FDR signed the internment act on 19 February. The Institute of Zachriel can start here. The Institute may also find it interesting to discover FDR’s dislike of Jews. “We have no Jewish blood in our veins.” - Franklin Delano Roosevelt
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B. Hammer
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2022-01-31 12:04
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B. Hammer: As the man, FDR, himself said, “Japanese immigrants are not capable of assimilation into the American population…”
Roosevelt's racist views towards people of Japanese descent certainly are important for understanding why he signed the executive order leading to internment. Oddly enough, he was considered more liberal than most Americans of the time, though certainly not as liberal as his wife, who strenuously argued with him against internment.
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Zachriel
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2022-01-31 13:16
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You obviously don't know what racism means.
Even simple words elude your understanding. It's pathetic. DrTorch: You obviously don't know what racism means.
We use the conventional definition: : a belief that race is a fundamental determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race.
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Zachriel
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2022-01-31 13:27
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Japanese aren't a race, they are of a nation.
So you want to be pedantic? Fine, as always, you're wrong as a pedant. Furthermore, your claims about the Japanese are not supported by genuine scholarship, as opposed to that promoting a pre-determined outcome. Despite incidents where Japanese nationals and those of Japanese descent committed acts of sabotage and warfare w/in the US, you pretend that 1930s US was the same as 21st C US. Most Japanese in the US were very insular, as many either hosted indentured servants (or even slaves) on plantations (CA and HI) or were the indentured servants/slaves. Communities were tight, resisted outsiders easily b/c of the obvious differences in appearance and language. So the vast majority were not loyal to the US by any stretch, and only very few had "integrated" into the US' culture. Those insular, highly nationalistic (toward their homeland, oddly enough you don't like nationalists) groups could easily have continued with attacks on the US...no one will ever know! FDR's actions may have saved thousands of US lives and kept at bay a different outcome in the war. Another point is that many of the indentured servants liked the internment camps, b/c they were better conditions than the plantations, and they were taught marketable skills. You know so very little zachriel, why are you keen to demonstrate that every day? DrTorch: Japanese aren't a race, they are of a nation.
When discussing sociological matters, we use the conventional definition of race: : any one of the groups that humans are often divided into based on physical traits regarded as common among people of shared ancestry=
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Zachriel
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2022-01-31 15:08
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As usual the Quibble-DickZ won't admit their foolish errors.
Well played, Dr.Torch, well played. Bwaha!.
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Zachinoff
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2022-01-31 17:01
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Fascist is another word that has lost its denotative meaning and now just means "person with another POV who might do something about it."
Have you seen the editorial cartoon at the Washington Post? (Link goes to Powerline)
Two parallel lines of trucks, each printed with the word, fascist. Yes, that’s right, truckers against vaccine mandates - and those that support the truckers - are fascists. Look in the mirror lefties. Of course if the left was capable of self-reflection, they wouldn’t be lefties. Oops. Guilty of reading the comments before reading through the linked articles.
re Black Lives Matter's Incredibly Shady Finances Get Shadier
We could see this coming when corporatios and foundations started hurling 6 and 7 figure donations to BLM. It's unlikely anyone will ever be held accountable because racism! If you were the right person in the right place at the right time, it was a license to steal. The philosopher Eric Hoffer said "“Every great cause begins as a movement, becomes a business, and eventually degenerates into a racket.”
BLM is a 501(c)(3) tax-exempt charity, not so? Obama's administration conferred this status on the group. Since then, they have taken in well over $100 million in foundation money, grants, and donations. Why is anyone surprised? It became clear before their 'charity' status that (a) the BLM credo's foundation was based upon a wholly-fabricated story ('hands up don't shoot'), (b) with the blessings of the Obama administration, they were exalted to Protected Class status in the eyes of the Progressive political and corporate media machine. But 501(c)(3) organizations are subjected to a much higher degree of scrutiny by the IRS primarily, simply because they are so prone to corruption and the motivations of greed. Why hasn't that happened? It's quite clear that the pot of money was bigger than is being reported, and that controls have not been put in place to manage it responsibly - maybe by intent. And yet - even with the coverage by these supposedly conservative journals, those facts aren't even mentioned. It's all emotive, all the time. We can never be graced with getting to the bottom of things. The article falls far short of providing anything useful, just outrage. What do they call that? Agitation Propaganda, or AgitProp. re The Cult Of Safety
I would posit that freedom and safety are inversely proportional to each other. Public Safety is an old, old, old tool for repression. Colvid is the latest great example. Fauci won't hesitate to kill the children with the vaxx in the name of Public Safety.
It will not kill children. Please just stop with that nonsense. Wherever you are reading that, stop going there.
If you wanted to argue that the benefit does not warrant the inconvenience or even the occasional short-term side-effects, I would disagree but at least you would be arguing in the realm of reasonableness. I know the background personally of two of the stories that are circulating on the internet about children dying from the vaccine. And they are both flat lies. Brown uni has a storied history of not wanting the truth out. They famously fired Percy Marks after he published 'The Plastic Age' which ripped the covers off the "college experience" in the 1920s, and was made into the 'Animal House' of its age starring Clara Bow. Banned in Boston when published, which is high praise
QUOTE: His book The Plastic Age became a publishing sensation. It described campus life at Sanford, a thinly disguised combination of Dartmouth and Brown, rampant with drinking, swearing and sex. Young women attending Sanford dances, he wrote, checked their corsets in the cloak room. Now colleges slap the patina of academia on the marketing of what Marks revealed about the true nature of the universities. There are goliards in every era.
All the more reason to provide less support to residential colleges & universities, and rediscover the more traditional ways of guiding youth into adulthood. Remember when you vote that Democrats have outlawed drugs that work and bring dying covid patients back to life. They outlawed Ivermectin simply because Trump and some of his supporters touted it as a cure. They did this for 100% political reasons intended to diminish Trump's and the right's popularity. They outlawed Monoclonal antibodies because Florida was using them effectively to save seniors and Florida's governor is a right wing politician aligned with Trump and the intent was to stop Desantis's rise in popularity.
That's how the left thinks. You mere citizens mean nothing when it comes to their hold on power. Don't ever forget that the mandates and punishment was all about stealing an election and putting you in your place as a serf to the elite. There is no considerable evidence that the election was massively stolen. A new documentary "2000 mules" shows video and electronic tracking evidence of massive election fraud by the Democrats to steal the election. I fully expect the MSM to ignore this evidence too and continue to state at every opportunity that election fraud claims were proved to be false. Remember that is part of the schadenfreude of the left to publicly and loudly claim there was no election fraud knowing full well that you know there was and that you know they know there was. THAT is them poking you in the eye knowing you can do nothing about it. "There is now considerable evidence that the election was massively stolen.
Anon: There is no{w} considerable evidence that the election was massively stolen.
A year after the opportunity to present the evidence in court, "there is now considerable evidence". https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-afs:Content:9900544617 Oh no! AP News fact checkers say the election w2as the most honest election in our history so all bow down before our new king and kiss his shoes. Bullshit!!
The election was stolen and YOU know it, I know it and everyone in the world knows it. Now the left is gaslighting us and laughing at their complicity in stealing that election. It wasn't just a steal it was a massive steal. The evidence shows that Trump got around 85 million votes to Bidens 60 million. That is why the steal had to be so massive and so obvious to everyone. That is why the left has to gas light us and ask for "proof" that the left wing judges refused to be allowed. My fear, honestly, is that the people will in fact revolt and it will get bloody. Not the unarmed protestors who were mistreated on Jan 6th but a French revolution style revolt. Because not only did they steal the election and repress the citizens but they stole our democracy and are now doubling down and destroying our nation. I intend to learn to knit so I can sit and watch them bring the carts with Pelosi and Schummer to the guillotine. SO... asking for a friend, do you yell "olay" or "yea" when they drop the guillotine blade??? JustMe: The election was stolen and YOU know it
No, we don't know it, but we'd be happy to look at any evidence you might have. JustMe: The evidence shows that Trump got around 85 million votes to Bidens 60 million. What evidence is that? JustMe: That is why the left has to gas light us and ask for "proof" that the left wing judges refused to be allowed. A number of courts looked at the evidence and found it woefully inadequate. Evidence https://freenorthcarolina.blogspot.com/2022/01/did-over-100000-people-older-than-124.html but I bet it doesn't meet your criteria.
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JustMe
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2022-02-01 10:16
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Evidence https://ninetymilesfromtyranny.blogspot.com/2022/02/shocking-testimony-dems-were-stealing.html there is so much evidence I will tire long before I run out of proof.
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JustMe
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2022-02-01 10:22
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JustMe: Evidence https://freenorthcarolina.blogspot.com/2022/01/did-over-100000-people-older-than-124.html but I bet it doesn't meet your criteria.
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JustMe: Evidence https://ninetymilesfromtyranny.blogspot.com/2022/02/shocking-testimony-dems-were-stealing.html there is so much evidence I will tire long before I run out of proof. Arizona conducted an audit, and then Republicans hired their own firm to conduct an audit. They didn't find any irregularities with the ballots.
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Zachriel
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2022-02-01 10:52
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I knew you would have some ready made excuses!
The Arizona audit is interesting. Here are a couple of facts: The state and county election boards refused to cooperate!! They wouldn't provide the public records to the audit. They destroyed some public records which is a felony. The hid the existence of other public records from the audit. The person selected to write the final audit report was anti-audit and wrote the report EXACTLY so that someone like you could declare that no irregularities were found. But in fact buried deep within the report the irregularities are mentioned. Why does the left put in so much time effort and money into covering this all up if there is nothing there???
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JustMe
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2022-02-01 11:18
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JustMe: The state and county election boards refused to cooperate!!
Leaving aside more unsubstantiated claims, the Republican-appointed auditors had access to the actual ballots, so it doesn't matter to your claim that the ballots were inherently defective.
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Zachriel
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2022-02-01 12:05
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In Opposing War With Russia, Tucker Carlson Champions The Hard-Won Truths Of Putting American Interests First
There is a palpable panic at Carlson arguably driving the GOP towards a more pre-war conservatism. https://thefederalist.com/2022/01/31/in-opposing-war-with-russia-tucker-carlson-champions-the-hard-won-truths-of-putting-american-interests-first/ Penzey’s Spice Company Called All Republicans Racist, Then Lost 40,000 Customers in Two Weeks
QUOTE: Republicans ‘raced out to buy a crapload of guns because maybe they were finally going to get their chance to shoot a Black person,’ Penzey’s Spices CEO wrote in a customer email. . . . Penzey’s Spices CEO Bill Penzey, who routinely uses his company’s email list to send anti-Republican screeds, sent a newsletter earlier this month in which he accused GOP voters of fantasizing about killing African Americans. https://thefederalist.com/2022/01/31/penzeys-spice-company-called-all-republicans-racist-then-lost-40000-customers-in-two-weeks/] |