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Coincidentally, I had just finished reading the Stockman piece through a link on Zero Hedge and I highly recommend it. Covid is endemic at this point and "the vaccine" is not going to save you. All this fear-mongering about how we're all going to die is just that, fear-mongering. The media fear-mongers because that's what sells, the politicians fear-monger because that makes for a compliant public. It needs to stop.
Jerryskids: Coincidentally, I had just finished reading the Stockman piece
Here's Stockman from 4/1/2021:
The fact is, back in the more benighted times of earlier centuries, they quarantined the sick, not the well
The very term "quarantine" actually comes from 40 days of isolation for those who may have been in areas of contagion, regardless of whether they showed signs of disease. Quarantine of travelers is still a common countermeasure to the spread of infectious disease.
Here’s the source of Doom. Well, if you have your magnifying glass handy you might possibly spot it—the squiggle down there in the yellow box below!
After Stockman's minimization of the threat, a quarter of a million more Americans have died from COVID. About 1,200 Americans are still dying each day.
Z: Quarantine of travelers is still a common countermeasure to the spread of infectious disease.
Not on our border with Mexico.
You can tell how serious our betters take the pandemic when they don’t obey their own “health” mandates. You can tell it is a political tool when some people (armed forces, police, healthcare workers, employees) are required to take an experimental vaccine but others (e.g. welfare recipients, illegal immigrants) are not. And you can tell that that political tool is being used for nefarious purposes when doctors who have successfully treated the disease are deprived of the medications they used and are fired and/or threatened speaking out about them and other people are silenced and deplatformed for discussing alternatives to or weaknesses of the “approved treatment.”
mudbug: You can tell it is a political tool when some people (armed forces, police, healthcare workers, employees) are required to take an experimental vaccine but others (e.g. welfare recipients, illegal immigrants) are not.
Government workers can be legally mandated, and are. Migrants who apply for residency can be legally mandated, and are. Under the Trump administration, detained migrants weren't offered vaccination, but have been since spring.
The Pfizer vaccine has full FHA approval.
mudbug: And you can tell that that political tool is being used for nefarious purposes when doctors who have successfully treated the disease are deprived of the medications they used and are fired and/or threatened speaking out about them and other people are silenced and deplatformed for discussing alternatives to or weaknesses of the “approved treatment.”
Anecdotes do not constitute the type of evidence necessary to reach a scientific conclusion. Many people get well from COVID with or without therapeutics, so it usually requires statistics to separate the signal from the noise. The vast majority of alternative treatments lack such scientific evidence.
Available where? Where can a person get this shot not under the auspices of the Emergency Use Authorization? Include physical address please.
Huh? If you are in the U.S., you go to the link, then put in your zip code. Walgreens has ample supplies of the branded Pfizer vaccine, Comirnaty for those 16 or over. The website will provide locations close to you. If you are in U.K., then visit here:
https://vaccine.ukhc.org/. If you are in a different country, then please specify, and we'll try to find you a location.
Maybe you should get your hearing checked. But you know, Comirnaty is not offered at that particular site, as an option. And I notice you still haven't answered - are all of the options noted here being given under the auspices of the EUA?
Aggie: And I notice you still haven't answered - are all of the options noted here being given under the auspices of the EUA?
The Pfizer vaccine, Comirnaty, has full FDA approval.
Isn't that nice, they approved something you cannot actually get. FDA approval from on high has not translated into dispatch to the injection providers. You're incurious about the 'why' of that, I notice, and seem to want to steer the conversation away from it by falling back to the FDA announcement. But the very site you pointed to does not offer Comirnaty as a vaccine choice from actual providers in the USA. Why is that? I really don't know, it's a mystery I honestly cannot get to the bottom of.
Can we turn your massive well-funded information research capabilities loose on that question? Thanks!
Aggie: Isn't that nice, they approved something you cannot actually get.
You haven't said where you are, but you should be able to get Comirnaty in most places. Not sure why you are having troubles. You can go here, if you are in Iowa.
Aggie: But the very site you pointed to does not offer Comirnaty as a vaccine choice from actual providers in the USA.
Sure it does. Check the box for Pfizer-BioNTech, the manufacturer of BNT162b2 (now Comirnaty), just like you would check the box for Moderna, the manufacturer of mRNA-1273.
No. It is not Comirnaty, nor is it labelled Comirnaty. Is there a reason for that?
Aggie: No. It is not Comirnaty, nor is it labelled Comirnaty.
Have no idea what you are going on about. If you want the vaccine by Pfizer that has full FDA approval, then selection Pfizer. Or just check your local pharmacy. Not sure how else to help you.
I think that is disingenuous of you. All COVID vaccines are still being administered under the auspices of the Emergency Use Authorization. Correct - or no?
Aggie: All COVID vaccines are still being administered under the auspices of the Emergency Use Authorization. Correct - or no?
No. Pfizer's vaccine is fully approved by the FDA as a vaccine for COVID-19 for those 16 and older, which means it can be sold and marketed like any other drug with full FDA approval. That's why it's got a fancy marketing name, Comirnaty.
Sorry, to be clear, if you are less than 16 years of age, then the vaccines are under an EUA (Emergency Use Authorization).
Thank you. The Pfizer-BioNTech version of the COVID-19 vaccine is available throughout the US - as the referenced website you provided shows - but the Pfizer Comirnaty-labelled version is not.
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/programs/iis/COVID-19-related-codes.html (23rd Dec 2021)
"COMINARTY products are not orderable at this time. NDCs are listed per FDA Structured Product Label (SPL) document for the BLA licensed product. These codes are not included in CDC Vaccine Code Set files at this time. Pfizer has provided the following statement regarding the COMINARTY branded NDCs and labels:
“Pfizer received FDA BLA license on 8/23/2021 for its COVID-19 vaccine for use in individuals 16 and older (COMIRNATY). At that time, the FDA published a BLA package insert that included the approved new COVID-19 vaccine tradename COMIRNATY and listed 2 new NDCs (0069-1000-03, 0069-1000-02) and images of labels with the new tradename.
At present, Pfizer does not plan to produce any product with these new NDCs and labels over the next few months while EUA authorized product is still available and being made available for U.S. distribution. As such, the CDC, AMA, and drug compendia may not publish these new codes until Pfizer has determined when the product will be produced with the BLA labels.”
I have read that Comirnaty is presently being shipped to Europe though.
As I understand it - I am not an expert in this - the two are legally-distinct products, in certain ways. There is an enormous amount of material out there designed to reassure people that the two vaccines are identical in every compositional way, and all of these info-pieces do not mention the distinctions - or the non-availabilities. But they are not. I find it curious that there is no effort to understand this better - and to dig out what it means. And in a larger sense, I would have guessed that taxpayers, having unwritten the development cost of these (unprecedented billions), having partaken enthusiastically, and having witnessed the enormous risk-free profits being generated on behalf of the Pharmaceutical Companies, would now start to wonder about their normal consumer protection rights of redress - which, under the Emergency Use Authorizations, are virtually nonexistent. We've been in Emergency Pandemic mode for 2 years now. No one is curious how it might end?
Aggie: The Pfizer-BioNTech version of the COVID-19 vaccine is available throughout the US - as the referenced website you provided shows - but the Pfizer Comirnaty-labelled version is not.
Not only are they identical pharmacologically, but the FDA states, "The originally-authorized Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine has the same formulation as COMIRNATY, and vials of the BLA-compliant vaccine may bear the name 'Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine.'" In other words, the only difference is the label itself.
Aggie: would now start to wonder about their normal consumer protection rights of redress - which, under the Emergency Use Authorizations, are virtually nonexistent.
Even the fully-approved vaccine is protected from liability under the Public Readiness and Emergency Preparedness Act of 2005, 42 U.S. Code § 247d–6d: Targeted liability protections for pandemic and epidemic products and security countermeasures.
To the contrary, in the midst of real pandemics, communities quickly apprehended the dangers and organized themselves to cope.
That's exactly the problem. Epidemics can grow exponentially, so reactive policies are much less effective than proactive policies. Science gives policy makers the ability to anticipate the curve. Implementing measures just a week earlier can save thousands of lives. See Pei et al., Differential Effects of Intervention Timing on COVID-19 Spread in the United States, Science Advances 2020.
The electric vehicles were indeed never the point, which is now becoming more manifest as the tech-geeks adopted a mild environmentalism themselves and went after that problem. Now that they have made a good start on that, a new complaint arises (because of course EVs use other fuel for their electricity). They want us to live differently, clustering more tightly together in cities (like them), making less noise, and acting less goshdarned independent, mostly for aesthetic sentiments which are not universal. Mare darkly, it is a world in which their type of person is increasingly favored with status, income, and opportunity. There is an economic tribalism underneath all this.
All this EV-drive-less boo-hoo is just Blue Anons shouting at the sky, badgering the hoi polloi, and trying to gen up more eco-hysteria.
We laptop-classers are already driving a lot less, and what Slow Pony doesn't run multiple errands when coming and going?
Give Joe Sixpack some credit. With expensive gas and inflated prices, even that Zero MPG idiot idling his engine to keep the A/C going will get hip, no mandates or badgering required.
Assistant Village Idiot: They want us to live differently, clustering more tightly together in cities
Even small towns can be designed to minimize the need for driving, and many Europeans towns are such that you can walk or catch a shuttle to acquire basic commodities or stop at a café to socialize. As it is, just to get a loaf of bread, many Americans have to get in their cars, because residential and commercial are zoned far apart.
Europe is a fundamentally different place than the US — density and open space primarily with totally different expectations and attitudes (and vehicle sales) that go along with all that. Plus, roads in Europe are older and narrower, etc. The US is primarily wide open spaces with low population density outside of the big cities. It’s silly and useless to compare them re: cars and how they are used.
The American love affair with automobiles is (and has always been) about independence, not practicality.
Jeff Brokaw: Europe is a fundamentally different place than the US
Yes, that's what we said.
Jeff Brokaw: The American love affair with automobiles is (and has always been) about independence, not practicality.
Yes, that's what we said.
It took a few generations to build up the current infrastructure, but that infrastructure has significant problems. People drive to the city to work. They drive to the store. They drive to visit their neighbors. Rather than joining people, roads and highways fracture neighborhoods and divide communities. And that infrastructure, reinforced by zoning, is designed to discourage the ancient town structures where people, work, shop, and community are integrated into a whole human experience. It will take a few generations to remake that infrastructure.
After a mere decade of experimentation with EV's now the social programmers have concluded (once again) that it's the consumer's fault. Damn you, Freedom!. Are you ready for the next round of Emergencies? It's the fuel not the vehicle. Oh wait, it's the miles, not the mileage. Oh wait, it's the occupant numbers, not the miles. Coming up next: The real problem is that the country is just too darn big and rural. Get rid of all this wasted space! And those darn interconnecting roads.
Another satisfied customer.
Electric vehicles as configured today make some sense, for those who want them, as a niche vehicle in big cities — but make sense literally nowhere else without a massive reworking of our energy infrastructure, and that’s just the first of many points to discuss.
Most of these EV zealots also have no concept of, or answer for, the environmental impact of mining precious metals needed to make the batteries, or the environmental impact of disposal of them.
Normal cars with all their emission controls (since the 90s at least) generate essentially zero pollutants once they warm up (2-3 minutes) and very little before then, especially compared to heavy diesel trucks which spit out tremendous amounts of pollutants but are still completely or largely unregulated for emissions controls, as far as I know.
indyjonesouthere: "Doctors and scientists who have dedicated their entire existences to medicine and saving lives are being decertified "
How many are named "Steve"?
The lawyers will decide who was naughty and who was nice. The bots and borgs need to practice patience. Look how long it took to get to the BS of 17 intelligence agencies.
indyjonesouthere: The lawyers will decide who was naughty and who was nice.
Let us know when you have evidence.
You have a government narrative...nothing else.
Ukraine and Taiwan. It had not occurred to me to divide the world into half a dozen same-philosophy-maybe ethnicities, but about 15-20 years ago I decided from reading news from the Balkans, the Caucasus area, Eastern Europe, Central Asia and etc. that the more we know of other peoples, their customs and religions, the less trust we and they have. In the Balkans, all Serbs are war criminals. Those parts of Eastern Europe once occupied by Muslim Turks will remember always treatment of Christians. Armenians and Azerbaijanis do not forget whose relatives did what to whom. Armenians remember even more from Turks. In the US, we still have big city European-named neighborhoods. Northeasterners and some Midwesterners remember stories handed down from four and five generations ago. Maybe we know too much.
The article about the reindeer was interesting, but it totally ignored the cost of getting the necessary supplies to Arkhangelsk, Murmansk, and Kola Inlet. The "Russian Run" (aka the Murmansk Run) was justly feared by men in both the navy and merchant marine as it was a miserable trip - often during filthy weather - with the threat of constant German attacks. Early convoys got through without attacks, but later ones were not so fortunate.
Every time something comes out of a NY court it gets misreported.
In New York the lowest court (where the trial is held) is called the “Supreme Court.”
The highest court in New York is the Court of Appeals.
The decision in the PV case came (I’m pretty sure) from the State Supreme Court, which is the trial court. I’m sure the NYT will appeal the ruling to the “Supreme Court, Appellate Division” (what the rest of the country calls the Court of Appeals).
Boxing Day in Australia is the day that two sporting events get underway. After Christmas it's traditional to relax in front of the TV.
The "Sydney to Hobart" yacht race starts.
A Cricket "Test Match", the Australian team against a visiting team - this year from South Africa.
Cricket watchers need stamina!
Today [Dec 29] is the fourth day of play. Australia is tipped to defeat South Africa, but there is potentially another day of play tomorrow.