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Where's a good drive-by when you need one? Like in New Jersey...
QUOTE: Why Do They Want to Vaccinate Children? For the same reason medical professionals want children to get flu shots. Deaths and hospitalizations from COVID are on the same order as influenza. Furthermore, children act as reservoirs for the viruses. Secondary transmissions of COVID are more dangerous than that of influenza. QUOTE: An excellent piece of research comparing circulating antibody levels over an up-to 9 month period following vaccination versus B memory cell development, and studying the response to breakthrough infections in health care workers. While circulating antibody levels lessened, B memory cell numbers were increasing during the entire follow-up period. And upon infection, the B memory cells fairly quickly produced antibodies which reached the blood and mucosal tissues. The study, however, again suggests the source of a deficiency in vaccine-derived immune response versus that from infection. In infection, antibodies develop against other than the spike protein and those responses occur in mucosal tissues as well as the lymph system. Healthy Skeptic review of this study. Given that we have observed protection against infection wanes rapidly after vaccination (though substantial and relatively long lasting mitigation of COVID severity remains) it seems likely that spike-protein based vaccination may not stimulate mucosal antibodies, not really justifying the claim that vaccination reduces the number of people carrying COVID asymptomatically as that would seem to be the location where the virus would be lurking. Given the low prevalence of serious COVID cases among children, coupled with known vaccine side effects, approval of vaccine for children is welcome for those cases where COVID presents a serious health risk but a mandate for compulsory vaccination to 'protect the vaccinated' seems unwarranted. Christopher B: Healthy Skeptic . . .
It's hard to take seriously a 'skeptic' that begins with "And if you wonder why I literally despise these people it is because they are fundamentally authoritarians and totalitarians". This, even after he grants that the vaccine reduces the probability of hospitalization and death. In any case, influenza vaccine effectiveness wanes, as well. Yet, doctors recommend annual flu shots. That's because the benefits far outweigh the risks. Even if the specific serum antibodies decline, that still offers protection to the community for months, reducing the prevalence of the virus. And the study you cite notes that B-cell protection persists, meaning that over time the virus will no longer be as dangerous to the general population. The danger will be much attenuated. For reasons yet unknown more children are at risk from the shot than from the covid. I think it is reckless to mandate the vaccine for children until we can identify this problem and correct it. I would not be surprised to see in a few years the ads on TV for some law firm looking for families whose children were harmed by this thoughtless mandate and the American taxpayer being on the hook for billion$ in payouts.
I am waiting on similar lawsuits concerning respiratory issues, do to forced mask wearing.
OneGuy: For reasons yet unknown more children are at risk from the shot than from the covid.
Can you provide support for that claim? I could, but I won't. Do your own homework. It is obvious that your goto response to everything is to demand a citation or proof as a way of ending the discussion. Here is some advice (don't bother taking it if you don't really give a shit about the facts and are nothing more than a paid shill for the Democrats): When someone states a fact or makes a statement of fact and it disagrees with your beliefs at the very least research what they have said and NOT for the purpose of finding something/anything that can be used to refute them but rather to learn what the truth is. Don't just knee jerk "Can you provide support for that claim?"
QUOTE: One Guy: "Don't just knee jerk..." Bwaha! Stop it you're killing me... That's all the KiddieZ ever do.
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Zachinoff
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2021-11-05 18:15
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He is not knee-jerking. He knows there is no such data that One Guy (and presumably you) claims and is challenging you to find that out for yourself - or show out that you've been bluffing. Try it.
The vaccine is emphatically not more dangerous than getting covid, even for children. One could make the argument that the safest things is to get neither. But one can't guarantee not getting the disease. One current focus is heart problems, especially for boys. But covid is 16 times more dangerous for their hearts - at minimum - than the vaccine. People keep saying they should have the right to make their own decisions, and for their children, and I agree. I come from a field where we provide wide latitude for even mentally ill people to make their own decisions. But "my choice" advocates would convince a lot more people if they didn't have terrible arguments for their POV.
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2021-11-05 19:32
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These covid vaccines are not safe. The gene based design makes your body manufacture virus spike protein, and we know, and we’ve known for years that virus spike protein triggers blood clots. That’s a fundamental problem. Normally there’s 200 adverse reaction deaths a year for all vaccines combined. The VAERS system has reported roughly 5,000 vaccine deaths in the first six months of 2021. The unprecedented high rate of adverse reactions to the Covid-19 vaccine alone should have shut them down. Young people are not susceptible to covid-19, They’re not at risk It’s a crazy thing then to vaccinate them with something that is actually 50 times more likely to kill them than the virus itself.
Perhaps you think that the VAERS system is some right wing conspiracy theory.
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OneGuy
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2021-11-05 22:30
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Here is the data on the VAERS site. I'm pretty sure it isn't Qanon
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OneGuy
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2021-11-05 22:49
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QUOTE: AVI: He knows there is no such data that One Guy (and presumably you) claims... Your "presumption" is a classic knee jerk reaction.
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Zachinoff
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2021-11-06 10:01
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OneGuy: we’ve known for years that virus spike protein triggers blood clots.
You do realize that if you get COVID, you will be infected with a virus with a spike protein? OneGuy: Here is the data on the VAERS site. QUOTE: VAERS: While very important in monitoring vaccine safety, VAERS reports alone cannot be used to determine if a vaccine caused or contributed to an adverse event or illness. The reports may contain information that is incomplete, inaccurate, coincidental, or unverifiable.
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Zachriel
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2021-11-06 10:19
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KneeJerk!
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OneGuy
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2021-11-06 10:37
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QUOTE: KIDDIEZ: You do realize that if you get COVID, you will be infected with a virus with a spike protein? You KiddieZ do realize the virus spike protein is introduced into the body via injection of the so called vaccination?
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2021-11-06 10:48
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Well if we are going to discount anything from any source that clearly despises the opposition, I take it that you completely ignore MSNBC.
Dangerous Dean: Well if we are going to discount anything from any source that clearly despises the opposition, I take it that you completely ignore MSNBC.
We didn't ignore the "Healthy Skeptic." We pointed to an apparent inconsistency, then made a substantive reply. The KiddieZ get to decide if their replies are "substantive" even though they are misleading and can be "walked back" later.
"Italy’s Institute of Health now counts only those who died from COVID-19 has having died from COVID-19, reducing COVID-19 deaths in the hard-hit country from over 130,000 to fewer than 4,000."
Rewriting history to help a political agenda. This is what the AGW people have done. The hottest year in history, 1934, had all it's temperature recordings adjusted so that it would appear that global warming was a steady progression in sync with increased fossil fuel usage. OneGuy: Rewriting history to help a political agenda.
Except Italy did not change how they counted COVID deaths. The count is supported by statistics of excess deaths, reports from hospitals and morgues, and consistent with the experience of other countries grappling with the pandemic. If that is true, than why mandate masks, vaccine, social separation, etc??? Because if that is true we don't have a pandemic we simply have a typical flu season.
Way back in April-May of 2020 when Italian seniors were dying by the thousands; when entire towns experienced 25% death rates, there were some pictures of Italian newspaper obituary columns. Except these "columns" were entire sections of the newspapers. It was page after page of deaths in that few days covered with 30 or so obits per page. This was not normal. Prior to that a typical weeks worth of obits was 2-4 people or so and suddenly with covid it was 200-400 obits in a week and that was just in that small town. Every town was seeing similar death rates from covid. It appears to me that the powers that be have decided enough time has passed and people forgot this unfortunate truth and now it could all be denied, erased, changed to something else. Why would you be carrying the water for the covid deniers??? OneGuy: If that is true, than why mandate masks, vaccine, social separation, etc???
Italy did not radically change their COVID count. https://opendatadpc.maps.arcgis.com/apps/dashboards/b0c68bce2cce478eaac82fe38d4138b1 The word pandemic has a definition. (As does the word vaccine) The Covid farce has never risen to pandemic levels despite worldwide lies in an attempt to make it so.
It's the goddam flu and nothing else. ccoffer: The word pandemic has a definition.
CDC: an epidemic that has spread over several countries or continents, usually affecting a large number of people Merriam-Webster: occurring over a wide geographic area (such as multiple countries or continents) and typically affecting a significant proportion of the population Oxford: An epidemic that spreads through human populations over a very wide area, crossing international boundaries and usually affecting a large number of people. World Health Organization: WHO announces COVID-19 outbreak a pandemic ccoffer: It's the goddam flu and nothing else. It's not an influenza virus, but a coronavirus, and in the U.S. has caused 20x the deaths of a typical flu season. Over 7,000 Americans died of COVID in just the last week. QUOTE: ccoffer: The word pandemic has a definition. (As does the word vaccine) Unless they decide to change the definition as the CDC did in September 2021. https://technofog.substack.com/p/cdc-emails-our-definition-of-vaccine That Italian study seems to be misrepresented. Much like the US study done recently to determine hospitalizations where COVID was an incidental rather than a primary factor still showed a signification number of hospitalizations for COVID, it seems to me that determining that a small percentage of deaths were solely from COVID doesn't negate COVID being a factor in the remainder.
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