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Did anyone notice that Buttigieg has been "MIA" in the supply-chain crisis?
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For heaven's sake, Buttigieg is on paternity/maternity leave, let him be!
I don't know if that was sarcasm or not, but it reminded me of this:
Leave Brittany Alone! (language warning)
Are the good times really over for Joe? Joe doesn’t even know what time it is.
At least Ford and Chevy make trucks that last ten years.
A joint is still a joint.
Who knows what coke is. Fentanyl is all the rage.
The shelves are all bare and inflation is back.
When did Jimmy Carter return to the White House?
Did the Soviets win the Cold War? Why has communism come to America?
Are we headed down hill, like a snowball headed for hell?
Nobody wants to stand up and ring the Liberty bell. They would rather celebrate two men having twins.
Let’s go Brandon!
My apologies to Merle Haggard.
That the Biden adminstration is willing to let oil drilling and gas production occur on foreign soil, subjecting the United States to greater energy dependence, all the while hysterically screaming about fossil fuel greenhouse gasses and a twelve year window to avoid human extintion tells you all you need to know about the veracity of their claims and their true allegience.
I don’t want to get the wing nut spun up this morning, but Medieval Warm Period was warmer than now.
B. Hammer: I don’t want to get the wing nut spun up this morning, but Medieval Warm Period was warmer than now.
Local proxies don't add up to a global trend. See Neukom et al., No evidence for globally coherent warm and cold periods over the preindustrial Common Era, Nature 2019.
You might even read one of your own citations: Cahyarini et al: "It is still debated whether the MCA is a global phenomenon or more regional in extend."
That's because the warming apparently occurred at different times across the globe, which a look at the proxies would show. There probably was a heat signal moving through the climate system, but nowhere near as strong as the current anthropogenic warming, which is distinct and simultaneous across 95% of the globe.
What were the regional impacts of climate change during thr medival warming period?
Joe B: What were the regional impacts of climate change during thr medival warming period?
Regionally, you were periods of warming, but the warming wasn't globally-synchronous, so different areas of the world warmed then cooled at different times. The mean global temperature probably didn't rise that much, less than 0.5°C, if at all. Neukom et al: "This lack of spatiotemporal coherence indicates that preindustrial forcing was not sufficient to produce globally synchronous extreme temperatures at multidecadal and centennial timescales." It's thought the Medieval Climate Anomaly was due to changes in insolation and volcanism.
You didn’t answer my question. Don’t bother explaining the Nature article or recite theories of proxy, I will concede and set aside those issues for my question:
What were the -impacts- on the local ecosystem suddenly experiencing a relatively unprecedented and certainly unpredicted period of significant warming?
If I ask you to tell me what are the impacts of global warming you would say coastal flooding, mass starvation, species loss, magnetic poles flip, earth core melts, etc.
What were the observable impacts in the region that signifanctly warmed centuries ago?
The KiddieZ, like all the global warming shills, cannot or will not answer that question directly.
Kudos for trying though.
Joe B: What were the observable impacts in the region that signifanctly warmed centuries ago?
The effects varied considerably in different regions. Severe drought affected North American settlements with some urban centers abandoned, especially in the southwest. Central American and Andean civilizations were also disrupted by changes in rainfall patterns. In northern Europe and central Asia, on the other hand, the warmer temperatures resulted in increased agricultural production.
Anthropogenic warming will be of a greater magnitude and will be global in effect. Humans are much more densely populated today, especially along coastal areas. Mass migration may occur as sea levels rise and agricultural patterns change, with all the entailed political and cultural stresses.
Humans are highly adaptable, but even with mitigation, there will be some permanent loss of humanity's natural inheritance, and the economic costs will be substantially higher the longer it takes to mitigate and adapt.
and the economic costs will be substantially higher the longer it takes to mitigate and adapt.
Not necessarily, and quite probably untrue, given compounding. Just as we posses technology and resources to deal with all sorts of environmental impacts that were largely simply tolerated a century ago, it is reasonably safe to assume that people one hundred years from now will be able to do the same. It would be interesting, however, to be around when they unbury those huge pits of discarded wind turbine blades and toxic dumps full of batteries.
That assumes, of course, that we continue to make reasonable and prudent decisions and continue to see our overall level of technology and resources grow, rather than adopting the climate alarmist position that we should all freeze to death in the dark when the wind doesn't blow.
Christopher B: Not necessarily
The damage from warming of 3°C will be significantly greater than damage from warming of 2°C. Delaying the switch to a greener economy is not something that can easily be made up for later.
Christopher B: It would be interesting, however, to be around when they unbury those huge pits of discarded wind turbine blades and toxic dumps full of batteries.
Batteries are economically recyclable. As you point out, new technology will be able to resolve issues, such as how to recylce turbine blades. Oh, already solved. Many blades are reused. Those past their useable life can now be recycled.
Christopher B: That assumes, of course, that we continue to make reasonable and prudent decisions and continue to see our overall level of technology and resources grow, rather than adopting the climate alarmist position that we should all freeze to death in the dark when the wind doesn't blow.
There we agree. The transition will require continued economic growth, including in developing countries, necessary to power the technological innovation required to meet the challenge.
The ecological and economic cost of any energy source should include all phases, from production to emissions to decommissioning.
Very assertive, contradictory, and not at all persuasive.
Have a good one!
Joe B: Very assertive . . .
The effects varied considerably in different regions. See Neukom et al., No evidence for globally coherent warm and cold periods over the preindustrial Common Era, Nature 2019.
Severe drought affected North American settlements with some urban centers abandoned, especially in the southwest. See Cook et al., North American Drought: Reconstructions, Causes, and Consequences, Earth-Science Reviews 2007.
Central American and Andean civilizations were also disrupted by changes in rainfall patterns. See Gill et al., Drought and the Maya Collapse, Cambridge University Press 2007; Arnold et al, Drought and the collapse of the Tiwanaku Civilization: New evidence from Lake Orurillo, Peru, Quaternary Science Reviews 2021.
In northern Europe and central Asia, on the other hand, the warmer temperatures resulted in increased agricultural production. See Ljungqvis et al., Climate and society in European history, Climate Change 2020.
Anthropogenic warming will be of a greater magnitude and will be global in effect. See AR6 Climate Change, IPCC 2021.
Humans are much more densely populated today, especially along coastal areas. See Wilcox & Jessop, Ecology and Environmental Health, 2009.
Mass migration may occur as sea levels rise and agricultural patterns change, with all the entailed political and cultural stresses. See Altschul et al., To understand how migrations affect human securities, look to the past, PNAS 2020.
Humans are highly adaptable . . . See Masey, Humans May Be the Most Adaptive Species: Constant climate change may have given Homo sapiens their flexibility, ClimateWire 2013.
. . . but even with mitigation, there will be some permanent loss of humanity's natural inheritance . . . See Malhi et al., Climate change and ecosystems: threats, opportunities and solutions, Philosophical Transactions of the Royal Society B 2020.
. . . and the economic costs will be substantially higher the longer it takes to mitigate and adapt. See Black, Climate economics - costs and benefits, Energy & Climate
Joe B: . . . contradictory . . .
That different things can happen at different places does not constitute a contradiction.
Again the KiddieZ overlook latest MWP studies and instead mislead with the Mann/Wikipedia response.
From Russia to the Indian Ocean to Antarctica, surface temperatures were much warmer than they are today during Medieval times.
Dubonnet and gin, with a slice of lemon and plenty of ice. Henceforth to be known as a Queen Liz at my house.
For Heaven's sake let the Queen enjoy her cocktails. Her husband died this year. She has two goofy sons, one a hysterical climate/Muslim follower and the other a crazed sex pervert. I guess the daughter is ok though or at least out of the news. Now she has a grandson that has lost his mind due to a so called American actress. They partially named their daughter after the Queen but won't return to the UK so the Queen can witness the child's christening. William and Kate seem to be ok but William sometimes sounds like he is taking after his nitwit father Charles. Let her drink some in the evening and maybe it will give her some peace.
One of my books on wine has a set of short personal anecdotes from wine-lovers at the end of it.
My favourite is by a nonagenarian gentleman in London who writes of going to his GP for a check-up and being informed he must give up drinking wine.
"So I did the only thing I possibly could do," he concludes.
"I found myself a new doctor."
This from the internet about George Burns:
He attributed his longevity to his regular diet of martinis, smoking the big cigars that were his lifelong trademark, and dating pretty women. Burns ignored medical advice to change his lifestyle and dedicated one of his four books to the widows of his last six doctors.
Seems a daily martini agrees with people in their 90's.
Isn't the Queen 95 years old? How old are these doctors advising her on how to live to a ripe old age? And what is her condition that a little alcohol is going to kill her, or are these doctors just following the current trend of claiming anything that brings you pleasure is sinful?
And if were her, and I had her family, I'd take to drink from time to time too. (Megan, especially.)
William and Kate seem OK; let's pray it's not all smoke and mirrors with them.
re Did anyone notice that Buttigieg has been "MIA" in the supply-chain crisis?
While the GOP has been trying to score political points by his absence, what can Buttigieg do from his office except make things worse?
I for one, am glad he has done nothing. Buttigieg might be able to improve the supply situation by getting Government out of the supply chain's way, but that is not in his ideology.
The major concern is that a Cabinet official went on extended leave without any annoucement about the chain of command in a major arm of the federal government.
Let dad’s spend time with newborns, it is a Trump admin policy, but dont dip out like an irishman at the bar.
re More about what's inside Biden's spending bill
There are some egregious freedom robbing items in that bill.
Buttigieg can stay on paternity leave.
If he comes back, he'll try to 'fix' the problems.
And seeing how this administration apparently prefers to work, any 'fix' he's likely to come up with will be worse than the current problem.