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Monday, September 13. 2021

A few Monday morning links

 A Few Words about 9-11, by Dr. Krauthammer


Dalrymple:  What We Have to Lose. Our civilization is more precious, and more fragile, than most people suppose.


 'Teen Vogue' Columnist Takes the Prize for Dumbest 9/11 Take of the Year


 Obama’s personal monument sacrifices 800 old growth trees in Chicago park designed by Frederick Law Olmstead


 The Banality Of (Financial) Evil


Study Finds Teenage Boys Six Times More Likely To Suffer Heart Problems From Vaccine Than Be Hospitalized by COVID


 A Look At The Pipeline For Future "Diverse" Tech Workers, Professionals And Corporate Executives


 "Three Generations Of Idiots Is Enough" Only, I Am Referring To Our "Elites"


Confirmed: Biden consulted union presidents before announcing vax mandate


 Much of what the press said about Trump now applies to Biden

Posted by Bird Dog in Hot News & Misc. Short Subjects at 07:44 | Comments (25) | Trackbacks (0)

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For those in the know: who’s going to pay for the weekly Covid tests that will be required to work once Abidin’ signs the law? I read they cost $50 – $100 a pop, and I’ll be damned if I’m footing the tab.

And on top of that, he’s going to fine each company fourteen grand for every time an employee fails to provide proof of vaccination and/or negative Covid test? I’m sure that even a dementia patient like him must realize how untenable that is.
#1 Maniac on 2021-09-13 09:09 (Reply)
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Obama’s personal monument sacrifices 800 old growth trees in Chicago park designed by Frederick Law Olmstead. Without so much as a groundbreaking ceremony . . .

Groundbreaking will be in the fall.

We appreciate the concern about old trees. There are only a few trees remaining from Olmsted's original landscaping of the area, but most are in bad condition, as are many of the other trees. The area will be replanted.

QUOTE:
The so-called "Obama Presidential Center" is not a "presidential library." It will not house any presidential papers for use by scholars, nor will it be controlled by the National Archives.

The work of the center will include creating the first fully digitized presidential library, which will be administered by the National Archives and Records Administration.

QUOTE:
it is still noticeable that none of the greenie fanaticism seen elsewhere to protect old growth trees has even been hinted at.

That is not correct. There has been very active engagement over the issue, including by the activist group Protect Our Parks, which took their concerns all the way to the Supreme Court.

https://news.wttw.com/2021/03/09/protect-our-parks-takes-obama-center-case-us-supreme-court
#2 Zachriel on 2021-09-13 09:16 (Reply)
Please just go away. On the other hand you're are the shorthand version to know that the truth is 180 degrees opposite of whatever you are blathering about. God bless mudbug for bothering to argue with you.
#2.1 grant1863 on 2021-09-13 20:32 (Reply)
grant1863: you're are the shorthand version to know that the truth is 180 degrees opposite

So your claim is that groundbreaking is not scheduled for the fall, that the area will not be replanted, that the National Archives will not administer the first fully digitized presidential library, and that Protect Our Parks did not take their concerns all the way to the Supreme Court.
#2.1.1 Zachriel on 2021-09-14 09:23 (Reply)
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A Few Words about 9-11, by Dr. Krauthammer . . . After all, the idea for the terrorist attack did not pop into the mind of bin Laden during the Bush administration. It happened during the Clinton administration.

That is not correct. The idea happened during the Reagan administration.

QUOTE:
Osama bin Laden: God knows it did not cross our minds to attack the towers but after the situation became unbearable and we witnessed the injustice and tyranny of the American-Israeli alliance against our people in Palestine and Lebanon, I thought about it. . . . As I watched the destroyed towers in Lebanon (1982), it occurred to me punish the unjust the same way, to destroy towers in America so it could taste some of what we are tasting and to stop killing our children and women.
#3 Zachriel on 2021-09-13 09:26 (Reply)
Wrong. You didn't read the statement correctly. But you posted anyway.

The plan for this attack happened during the Clinton administration.

But you like just being wrong.
#3.1 DrTorch (Link) on 2021-09-13 10:02 (Reply)
DrTorch: The plan for this attack happened during the Clinton administration.

Krauthammer's claim concerned "the idea" of attacking American towers. The idea "popped into the mind of bin Laden" during the Reagan administration after the destruction of towers in Beirut.
#3.1.1 Zachriel on 2021-09-13 10:18 (Reply)
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Much of what the press said about Trump now applies to Biden . . . Whatever its shortcomings, the so-called Doha Agreement regulated the Taliban’s military actions, while requiring good faith negotiations between it and the Afghan government of President Ashraf Ghani. Given that the Taliban was in breach of Doha, and the required negotiations were unsuccessful, the United States was entitled to leave the pact.

Here's the Doha Agreement:
https://www.state.gov/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/Agreement-For-Bringing-Peace-to-Afghanistan-02.29.20.pdf

Negotiations were required, but success of the negotiations was not part of the Agreement. Biden did extend the deadline by several months, and the Taliban largely kept to their Agreement not to attack U.S. forces during the draw down. Meanwhile, it was clear that the Afghan Armed Forces would not stand, so most Afghan military units engaged in surrender talks with the Taliban, which were effected when the campaign began on May 1, the original date slated for complete U.S. withdrawal under the Agreement.

There are two ways through the Great Wall: siege and bribery.
#4 Zachriel on 2021-09-13 09:40 (Reply)
QUOTE:
Study Finds Teenage Boys Six Times More Likely To Suffer Heart Problems From Vaccine Than Be Hospitalized by COVID

They are incommensurable events. Cardiac myocarditis from vaccination is typically mild and resolves itself. That does not compare to the risk of hospitalization from COVID.
#5 Zachriel on 2021-09-13 09:47 (Reply)
Z: That does not compare to the risk of hospitalization from COVID.

Which in a teenager is nearly 0. Also, nobody knows the long effects of any of these vaccines.
#5.1 mudbug on 2021-09-13 10:18 (Reply)
mudbug: Which in a teenager is nearly 0.

As are the side-effects. If you want to make the argument, you have to compare commensurable events.

mudbug: Also, nobody knows the long effects of any of these vaccines.

Long-term effects of COVID infection can include multiple hospitalizations and deaths.
#5.1.1 Zachriel on 2021-09-13 10:28 (Reply)
Again you are wrong.

There has been at least one death fully ascribed to the vaccine, and several others that are highly likely.

You talk about comparing "commensurable events" which is absurd since no teen or child in the US has died from COVID who didn't have pre-existing conditions. As in ZERO. So you fail there too.

Finally, data from UK and Israel has shown that recent covid deaths among the vaccinated are the same or higher than before vaccines, which indicates that the risk associated with the vaccine is greater than not. There's a reason that "boosters" are now being encouraged at the 5-6 month timeframe.

And you also wrote, "Long-term effects of COVID infection can include multiple hospitalizations and deaths." Which again is a rare issue period, but also confined for those with co-morbidity conditions, so you violate the principles you insist that people should use to evaluate this claim.

As I write every time, you are perpetually wrong with your claims. Your dishonest has persisted for years, thus it's fair to assume it's intentional.
#5.1.1.1 DrTorch (Link) on 2021-09-13 11:23 (Reply)
DrTorch: There has been at least one death fully ascribed to the vaccine, and several others that are highly likely.

You forgot the data.

DrTorch: Finally, data from UK and Israel has shown that recent covid deaths among the vaccinated are the same or higher than before vaccines, which indicates that the risk associated with the vaccine is greater than not.

You forgot the data.

DrTorch: And you also wrote, "Long-term effects of COVID infection can include multiple hospitalizations and deaths." Which again is a rare issue period

COVID is highly contagious, so, no. It's not a rare issue. Multiple deaths can be the direct result of a single infection.
#5.1.1.1.1 Zachriel on 2021-09-13 11:52 (Reply)
Give me a citation for the death of a teenager attributed to any version of the vaccine, because I am finding nothing but debunked claims for all the claimed deaths. Most of the "soon-after" deaths are among nursing home patients, who I have been assured don't count in covid statistics because they were going to die soon anyway.

I have attended Sentinel Events discussions when someone dies unexpectedly, and find that there are always a half-dozen or more possible culprits. Reports and claims are not sufficient evidence.

For the record, I went to a few sites reporting many deaths from the vaccine (I am not accusing you of that claim) and they were all publications I had never heard of and found something else on the page that was flat insane.
#5.1.1.1.2 Assistant Village Idiot on 2021-09-13 21:04 (Reply)
I will note publicly that my request for evidence has thus far been ignored.
#5.1.1.1.2.1 Assistant Village Idiot on 2021-09-14 20:12 (Reply)
Anybody who argues from a position of ignorance is not worth arguing with.

Neither you, nor anybody else, has any idea what the long term effects (good or bad) of the mRNA vaccines are (and there is evidence that there could be very scary possibilities). So there is no way you can compare the possible long term side effects of Wuhan flu and the mRNA vaccines.
#5.1.1.2 mudbug on 2021-09-13 12:43 (Reply)
mudbug: Neither you, nor anybody else, has any idea what the long term effects (good or bad) of the mRNA vaccines

Well, you can suppose all you want, but the evidence indicates that the vaccine is safe. When there are ill-effects from vaccines, they typically show up with a matter of days or a few weeks.

mudbug: (and there is evidence that there could be very scary possibilities).

And that evidence is what exactly? By what mechanism?

mudbug: So there is no way you can compare the possible long term side effects of Wuhan flu and the mRNA vaccines.

There have been about 700 thousand deaths from COVID, just in the U.S. There have been virtually no deaths that have been shown to be due to the mRNA vaccine.
#5.1.1.2.1 Zachriel on 2021-09-13 13:03 (Reply)
Zachriel needs his own blog. Not that I'd read it.
#6 b on 2021-09-13 10:43 (Reply)
He needs something all right.
#6.1 B. Hammer on 2021-09-13 11:48 (Reply)
He always runs a great narrative. Observe the bullshit Russia, Russia, Russia narrative. The Steele and administrative state dossier versus the Fauci and administrative state dossier.
#6.2 indyjonesouthere on 2021-09-13 13:55 (Reply)
More Items Zachbot is Wrong About

“National Park Service: The project will remove 326 trees at the site of the Center, along with an additional 463 trees due to project-related construction, including transportation improvements and relocation of the park's track and field.”

“An Obama Foundation spokesperson told EHN in an email that many of the trees are currently dead or in poor health. However, the 2018 survey of the area, performed by experts hired by the Foundation, states that only 64 trees currently need to be removed from the area due to their condition or suboptimal locations.”

As anyone knows, who has ever seen trees planted along roadways, or in common areas in a neighborhood, unattended baby trees tend to die off. You’ll need to plant way more than 789 trees to have equal replacement. There is no replacement of an old growth tree for shade provided.

And have you seen the artist rendering of the monument to the light bearer? Hideous.

HT

Emphasis mine. A non response response, changing the talking points in 10,9,8…
#7 B. Hammer on 2021-09-13 12:05 (Reply)
B. Hammer (quoting): “An Obama Foundation spokesperson told EHN in an email that many of the trees are currently dead or in poor health. However, the 2018 survey of the area, performed by experts hired by the Foundation, states that only 64 trees currently need to be removed from the area due to their condition or suboptimal locations.”

Nor did we state the contrary as 64 would be considered "many" as noted above. We do appreciate the concern for old trees, but this is hardly the first project that resulted in trees being cut down. They might have tried to preserve more of the original trees, but they will be replanting. They are also in partnership with the Chicago Botanic Garden.
#7.1 Zachriel on 2021-09-13 12:13 (Reply)
I looove a good dumpster fire!
Smells like... a California forest.
#8 Jeff Allen on 2021-09-13 17:34 (Reply)
The "heart problems" from the vaccine versus the hospitalisations are carefully chosen words in order to mislead us. Hospitalisation for covid is a very big deal, and serious. "Heart problems" include barely noticeable and temporary symptoms. Comparing the two is close to dishonest. No, it is dishonest. Anyone who looks at such claims with even the mildest suspicion can see it. Were the comparisons reversed any number of people at MF would have been on it instantly, crying BS.

Which leads to two questions: Why is zerohedge publishing what it knows is dishonest, and why were so many here taken in by it?
#9 Assistant Village Idiot on 2021-09-13 20:38 (Reply)
For another view on the lasting impact of 9/11 This interview by the great Scott Horton is well worth the listen.

https://scotthorton.org/interviews/9-6-21-clive-stafford-smith-on-ahmed-rabbani-and-the-other-innocent-men-being-held-at-guantanamo-bay/
#10 bilejones on 2021-09-14 11:20 (Reply)

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