Maggie's Farm

"We are being experimented on".

Just saying that precludes any intelligent discussion. You can argue that the vaccine has side effects but nearly everything does. You can argue that it wasn't fully tested, but it is a simple fact that our FDA allows people to die for years before they get around to all the paperwork to approve drugs that they knew were safe all along. You can say that 15 YO's shouldn't be vaccinated, but indeed 15 YO's do die from Covid. I suppose everything in life is an "experiment". I wasn't ready for marriage but I did it and that experiment failed. I wasn't ready for fatherhood and that could have been done better too. I wasn't ready for college... yada, yada, yada. EVERYTHING is an experiment. The ONLY reason to call this miraculous life saving vaccine an "experiment" is to support the anti-vaxxer conspiracy theories. THANK GOD Trump got us this vaccine! THANK GOD sleepy Joe wasn't our president when Covid hit.

"There is no data that justifies giving the vaccine to 15 year olds."

The absence of proof is not proof.

But in your zeal to declare me wrong you had to seize on something I did not say. I did not say that 15 YO's "SHOULD" get the vaccine but instead my point was I see nothing wrong with choosing to give a 15 YO the vaccine. FREE CHOICE!!!

Now, it may eventually be proved that the risk of giving children the vaccine is greater than the risk from Covid. THEN it would make sense to CHOOSE to not give your 15 YO the vaccine.

The problem here, the 800 lb gorilla in the room that you aren't talking about, is anti-vaxers. Some people read the tripe about vaccines that is out there on the internet and suddenly decide that vaccines are the problem. They are ignorant, simple as that. Often they simply aren't old enough to have lived before vaccines and simply do not know what a miracle vaccines are.

Do you get your flu shots every year? Do you get your pneumonia shot when you get into your late 50's and 60's? Do you get your shingles shot? Do you make sure your children get all their vaccinations? IF YOU DON'T then you need to take a serious look into why because you are ignorant of the facts.

A mere 100+ years ago half of people born would die before their 18th birthday from diseases that we can today vaccinate against. Today roughly 1 in a million people incur a reaction from a vaccination and we think THAT is the problem while blissfully unaware that vaccines have saved probably in excess of 2 billion lives in the last 50 years or so. THAT belief is IGNORANCE writ large.

That is your choice and hopefully it is based on knowledge and not rumors and conspiracy theories. Just so you know You do in fact get colds probably a couple a year. What you don't get is symptoms. Why does this matter? Because you believe your body is more capable of fighting off the flu or pneumonia than it actually is.

You are more or less correct. But here are some of the fallicies:
The FDA doesn't make extensive tests and at the end of 4-10 years determine that a new medicine is safe. They merely place political roadblocks and tons of red tape in the path of creating and marketing new medicine, devices and treatments. It is a simple and troubling fact that if we had no FDA and the pharmaceutical companies could create a new drug and put it on the market the next day MORE lives would have been saved by eliminating that delay THAN were saved by more testing.

Another fallacy is: that because a drug fails the FDA process OR having passed the FDA process and at some later point proves to be harmful to some people that this means either the Pharmaceutical companies are bad OR that the FDA process isn't strict enough. But most likely in these cases is that the drug works BUT just as some people are allergic to peanut butter some people are not helped by the drug and/or my be hurt by the drug. The FDA being a political organization and NOT a scientific organization cannot allow this so a good drug must be banned.

Most side effects from vaccines are short lived, don't cause death or long term problems and are statistically very safe. The least safe drugs on the market (i.e. cause the most deaths and serious side effects) are the over the counter NSAIDS. More people are killed by aspirin then by vaccines. Where is your outrage against aspirin???

"the FDA considers it to be experimental."

Probably true. By the same exact standard Dr. Salk's [polio vaccine would have been considered experimental. Suppose back in the 50's when the polio vaccine was given to all/most children in the U.S. we had the ability that the internet gives us to declare that Salk's vaccine was "experimental". Do you think that a significant percentage of parents would have denied that vaccine to their children because of that scare tactic? So what is the purpose in the FDA making a big deal about the Covid vaccine being "experimental"? My guess is it was all a political anti-Trump effort.

"I believe the number of deaths attributed to these vaccines is several multiples of the deaths from all previous vaccines.

This could be true. We don't know that. We have many people on the internet claiming that is true but offering no evidence. By I concede it could be true (or not). What difference does that make? If I came up with a drug that saved the lives of 98% of people with cancer but possibly caused the death of 0.01% of those who took the drug should that drug be banned? Should anonymous sources on the internet tell stories to scare 50% of the people from taking that drug? OR should we base decisions on provable facts.

It is important to understand that vaccine side effects are generally an individual's body reacting to an outside influence. That is it is the person's body reacting not just because it is a vaccine or what is in the vaccine but because this individual has a genetic predisposition to reject anything alien to their body. You could inject a harmless saline solution and get the same result. Sometimes someone with this tendency to react like this causes them to reject life saving medicines like antibiotics. The point is that it isn't the vaccine harming people it is the rare individual that is reacting to the vaccine or other injections.

For example some people cannot eat dairy. Their reaction to it can be mild to serious. Death has resulted in rare cases. Clearly though this does not mean dairy products are experimental or should be controlled by the FDA or even that we need some kind of registry to keep track of people sickened by a bite of cheese.

It makes perfect sense. The DA's do this all the time. It isn't about justice or guilt it is about their massive unfettered power and how they misuse it. This is classic misuse of power. The DA KNOWS that these two did noting wrong but she basically gave them a choice where she would use the power of her office to prosecute them using a St. Louis jury that almost guarantees their conviction and even if they luck out and win it will cost them millions. But by taking the plea the DA can insist that proves she was right.