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Saturday, December 26. 2020
Supposedly your doc or employer has to ok it, but it seems they just want to get all of the vaccines put out into the community and let none go to waste.
I did it not because I am a fearful type, but for the comfort of people I encounter. You get a CDC certificate and a sticker to wear if you want to. In 30 days, you can get the booster shot but you are immuzined until then. That's a precaution.
There appears to be no shortage around here. Around here, CVS (good for them) is all set up for delivering to all of the nursing homes and old folk's homes today. Front-line people have already had the chance over the past week, but I saw a few late nurses in our line-up. They were coming cuz of their 5 days off. RNs have strange schedules.
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My local hospital/clinic just emailed me/everyone to say that vaccines would be available for the general public in late Spring to early Summer. WTF? I must live in the wrong state.
WTF indeed. Here in Florida there seems to be no time line past getting it to nursing homes. I get nothing but boilerplate from my health provider, Mayo Clinic.
I had a confirmed case of the virus about two months ago. I too am immune. How do I get my certificate and sticker?
Had an unconfirmed case in February. 100% sure that that's what it was. Don't plan on getting the vaccine. No sticker for me. Wonder how long I will be able to avoid getting stuck?
If anyone could 'share' an image of the CDC certificate it would be greatly appreciated. Asking for a friend.
Right now, all that is known is that the vaccines have a 95% efficacy in preventing symptomatic COVID. Nor is it known whether the vaccines provide sterilizing immunity, where they prevent the virus from getting into your cells. Nor is it known whether the vaccine prevents transmission.
This is why the prioritization of those most likely to become ill with COVID and need medical intervention should be at the head of the line, i.e., those 65+, underlying health challenges and those working with COVID patients. The politicization of who gets the vaccine, when, reveals that the "strain on the health care system" hasn't been their real worry.
This is a very straightforward discussion of the vaccines by a Canadian immunologist
where 95% of covid "cases" are asymptomatic (and thus for no other disease would be counted as cases at all).
And of course it doesn't prevent transmission if it doesn't prevent people getting it into their nose and breathing it out again without it ever entering their body proper.
Which is why at least here they're already saying that the vaccine, despite probably going to be mandatory to be allowed to engage with other people at all, will NOT be the end of lockdowns, mask mandates, and all the other restrictions we've been living under for the last 9 months.
I don't know if I want to get a vaccine as I had a very bad reaction to a tetanus shot a number of years ago. I am afraid it might about kill me. Am in my later years with bad lungs and heart through heredity not life style. Will the vaccine do me in as much as the virus? Who knows,
You may want to consult with a pharmacist. Doctors aren't so good with what makes up the concoctions. A pharmacist may be able to advise you as to common inactive constituents between the Tetnus vaccine and these new formulations for SARS 2.0.
Most of your immunity is effective about 2 weeks after the first injection; probably 80-90%. The second injection brings it up to the mentioned 94-95%, probably after a short further delay. Among the many thousands in the 3d stage trial, only a handful who received the vaccine (not the placebo) later tested positive, but nobody in that group got very sick. How long the immunity lasts is yet unknown; the trial was complete after 2 months.
Obviously one shouldn't begin to ease precautions until at least 2 weeks after the first injection.
I say try it on the politicians first, and any one else who feels that the risk is worth it.
I have no confidence that 1) it's very effective, 2) that it won't have horrible medical side effects at some point in the recipient's life (or the lives of their future progeny), 3) that the worst social effect will be the requirements to show proof of being vaccinated to travel, to work, to do almost anything ... it'll become just another link in the chain of the leash our "betters" want to put on us all.
None of the people advocating for this vaccine are trustworthy.
But you have FEELINGS and preconceived notions, so of course that counts for a lot more and we should listen to your advice instead.
Don't volunteer to help any kids with their science homework, okay?
Since it can be cured for five dollars, I have no interest in getting vaccinated against catching a cold. The actual efficacy of vaccines does not have a very noble track record. The whole story is largely urban myth.
Ahh, so you haven't done any actual research, but you feel confident giving people advice about deadly diseases. Because you have found one scrap of data and are holding it aloft like the Holy Grail.
Now do smallpox.
Diseases that have been around for a long time mutate and the vaccines against them are likely to be less effective over time because the variations that survive are progressively harder to imitate in the vaccine. If the C19 virus survives in variations, the versions 40 years from now are going to be harder to vaccinate against. (Given current technology. Hopefully we will know much more then.) But the first version is somewhat like low-hanging fruit. C19 doesn't know how to trick us yet.
Deadly compared to what, exactly?
This hysteria has served a valuable purpose. It's shown who should and should not be taken seriously. The fools running around with their heads cut off screeching about useless crap like face rags have been a real eye opener for we serious people who don't voraciously gobble up one dumbass lie after another and congratulate themselves for having done so. It's morality of people with no morals.
The baloneyvirus is a fraction as lethal as normal seasonal influenza. This is known by anyone who doesn't get their "news" from the subhuman goblins who populate television.
I'm a few months past 64. I wonder if I would be turned away because I'm not 65. I get that a line must be drawn, but I hope my local officials use some common sense if I show up.
Yeah, I know, not likely.
Only due to some idiot bureaucrat. While the number break down to a 99.95% survival rate below 70 and a 95% survival rate above, it isn't fixed. Children are close to six sigma, while those in their 60s are around 99. All assuming minimum co-morbidities.
In NorCal, Kaiser - nothing from them on vaccine timeline. Also nothing from the public health officials. Very frustrating.
I was born into a body that I did not create. It came pre-equipped with an immune system. I never liked the idea that man's science would take over for my God-given immune system, leaving me weaker for the next 'strain'. There's always a next strain.
You pine for the pre-vaccine days where 50% of the population died from communicable diseases before they reached age 18. Ahhhh, those were the good old days. No nasty vaccinations to save your life and health. Maybe you could still catch a plane to somewhere in Africa if you really tried and live that "free life" you miss so much.
The vaccine is being administered now to professionals in my small city. I'm told the second shot is the one likely to give a reaction.
A family member works in a very large county hospital in a very large city here in Texas. They worked out a protocol on who should get the vaccine first, anticipating a gradual systematic inoculation process starting with the medical professionals at highest risk. Only about 30% of workers have wanted it, though. The first tier candidates were exhausted pretty quickly, then it was thrown open to the second, and so on. Pretty soon, disgusted, they threw it open to anybody on staff that wanted it. My relative has gotten the first shot. I've had COVID, so I don't plan to.