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Tuesday, December 15. 2020
Tucker Carlson attributes it to "status anxiety." Is that a thing? Perhaps it is, for some more insecure people, whether about attractiveness, wealth, profession, education, or other. Of course, in the US physicians are given the honorific Dr. in formal settings. It is pleasant. In the UK, physicians are given the honorific "Mr." or whatever their pronoun preference is nowadays.
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I don't care that someone who has a doctorate insists that people refer to them with a "Dr." in front of their name. BUT they must accept the fact that we aren't all stupid and we see what they are doing. they are better than you and want you to never forget that.
Someone on Fox made an important point. That the NY Times referred to Jill Biden as Dr. Biden 3 times more often than they use "Dr." when referencing Dr. Ben Carson (who is actually a doctor).
I Seem to remember last summer a black woman was celebrated for receiving a "Doctorate of Black Names". Anyone surprised? Anyone?
(1) We'd never see Melania act as stupid as this, and (2) I'll bet Jill Biden has never heard of the Streisand Effect.
Thanks to her stupidity, everyone will now know about her status anxiety and her stupidity. (And this woman wants to play Edith Wilson to Beijing Joe?)
You know you’re a working class party when your leaders demand that you include their educational credentials when you address them
Frankly, I’m disgusted at this media gushing over “Doctor” Jill Biden after the way they treated Melania Trump. Melania is in fact far more cultured. She’d be at home in any European capital while Jill Biden would be right at home on “The Real Housewives of New Jersey”
...except she wouldn't be [i]'Real'[/] there, either. They would kick her phony narrow ass down the road all the way to Phillie.
Strictly speaking, if you hold a PhD, Doctor is not an honorific but an earned title (unless it's one of those "honorary awards").
But that said, the point remains: the degree to which you insist on its use - unless you are, say, an actively employed doctor (medical or otherwise) in a professional or academic position (i.e., something rather more concrete than just "educator at large") - speaks volumes.
You're right. EdD.
Still a Doctor though and my point stands: "the degree to which you insist on its use - unless you are, say, an actively employed doctor (medical or otherwise) in a professional or academic position (i.e., something rather more concrete than just "educator at large") - speaks volumes."
Here's the thing. A medical doctor is a doctor. The term is used in place of any other more specific term all the time. When someone earns a doctorate I am sure they are proud of their accomplishment and their parents are proud and everyone they know is proud. But, still, using the term 'doctor' is misleading and intentionally misleading.
Many, many years ago I worked as a mechanic and one day I went out to our lot and pulled a tow truck into the bay to work on it. I have never called myself a tow truck driver. BUT I was!
"But, still, using the term 'doctor' is misleading and intentionally misleading."
Wrong on both counts.
A PhD makes you a Doctor and has since the late 14th Century and the routine use of doctor for a medical doctor arose from it. In other words, the more general use predates the medical use.
You sound sincere. I do think you believe that story. But it is false. For the last hundred years or more the term "doctor" in conversation has always implied and meant medical doctor and NOT someone who got a doctorate in education. When your mother recognized that you were sick when you were little they took you to the "doctor" NOT to someone with a degree in black studies. If you do not recognize that is true and a fact then you may need to see a doctor.
There is a fascinating discussion over at Greg Cochrane's blog West Hunter about the reality behind the advanced degrees in education. Those with advance degrees actually had lower SATs than those who just got a BA. No wonder they think testing doesn't mean anything, eh? These are not academic degrees, they are decorations, and they constitute 30% of all the advanced degrees awarded every year.
"Doctor" is an earned academic title for ANYONE admitted to a degree granting program, where the person has at least 90 hours credit for classroom work, coupled with a written exercise;,for academics it's a thesis; for lawyers it a law review-type article. They have all earned doctorates degrees and are entitled to be called "doctor" (For physicians, they don't give damn about writing, rather, it's hands-on work with patients; they too earn a doctorate!)
Based on the work samples of Jill "HoneyPot" Biden, she wouldn't have made it past a 1L legal-writing class and should have taken remedial arithmetic!
Shows you the true value of an Ed.D = something to be generally laughed at!
My online ordination into the ministry cost me $12. My Doctor of Divinity Degree was another twenty bucks. Plus shipping, of course. I can now perform marriages but I think the big money will be in forming a cult.
Dr. or not Biden. Sixty years ago, references to Martin Luther King Jr. led with the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr. After a time of increased anti-religious news and bias, the leads became the Rev. Dr. King. After a time of even more anti-religious bias in news, Dr. King dominated the Rev. His religious background no longer mattered. Usage depends on popularity, bias and politics.
Times apparently change. At the unnamed private college I went to many years ago, a quite traditional place, all of the professors and instructors were uniformly addressed as "Mr.," "Mrs." or "Miss" depending on their marital status. Most, but not all, had a Ph.D. degree. Anyway, we were given to understand that the only "Doctors" were medical doctors (dentists included) and those having a Doctorate of Divinity (D.D., which often is an honorary degree) and it was inappropriate to address a Ph.D. as "Doctor." The only person I remember who got addressed as "Dr.______" was the College Chaplain, an older silver-haired gentleman who had an M.Div. from Harvard Divinity School as well as an honorary D.D. As an alternative, you could properly address a faculty member as "Professor" if you knew he or she was one. Anyway, I believe that once was the convention at American universities and colleges.
As students, we were also always addressed as "Mr." or "Miss," although "Ms." was starting to creep in.
I didn't hear the title "Dr. _______" being applied to academics until I later went to a large public university for graduate school--initially it struck me as being rather pompous with all these "Doctors" walking around. Now it seems that all institutions pretty much do that.
[Footnote: I did a little Googling and found the Wall Street Journal apparently still gives university professors the title "Mr." in their articles, at least I found several articles doing that.]
If you want to start another fire-storm, ask whether it is a "B.A." or an "A.B." Traditionally, almost all institutions awarded the "B.A." except for Harvard which always called it an "A.B." Over the past few years, a number of other institutions have put on pretensions of awarding an "A.B."--I've met a number of Stanford types who say they have an "A.B.," so at some point it changed its naming convention.