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Thursday, June 25. 2020

Beauty

Seen on a boating outing the other day. Name that rig.


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I am an old fresh water smaller boat sailer and that it a neat rig. I think that is a schooner and I know I have never seen one before. I started sailing when I was 16 59 years ago and from the first time on the water moving under sail was such a great way to travel, owned a handful of boats and sailed and raced 16 foot up to 37 and loved most every minute except when things broke and beat the heck out of me and brought blood and all that.
#1 OldTexan on 2020-06-25 18:52 (Reply)
Gaff-rigged schooner, I would say, with a triangular main sail.
#2 Tom Kelly (Link) on 2020-06-25 19:09 (Reply)
I’m thinking gaff rigged schooner, too.
#3 Malcolm Robertson on 2020-06-25 19:23 (Reply)
What is "gaff-rigged"?
#4 faculty wife on 2020-06-25 19:34 (Reply)
I suspect there is a different name for this rig. The foremast (front) is shorter than the aft, making this a schooner. The foremast is also gaff-rigged, which you can see by the upper spar along the top edge of the fore-sail; it is hauled up in order to raise sail. But the main mast (aft) is a Marconi-rig - No gaff. I suspect the hybrid configuration would have a specific name, because sailing is traditionally so particular about things when it comes to nomenclature. Just my two-cent guess though. I'm surprised the foremast is gaffed as it is pretty close to the main mast and you wouldn't want the gaff banging into it. Maybe they just did it for the increased sail area.
#4.1 Aggie on 2020-06-25 20:40 (Reply)
The gaff rig allows you to get more square feet of sail up without having too high a mast. It also can be faster to lower or reduce for better handling. A topsail can be added above the gaff sail giving even more sail area but more importantly to catch elusive breezes. A two mast schooner can put a sail out on both sides when sailing downwind, called "wing & wing". In a large sailboat this puts a lot of sail out there and feels really fast, but of course downwind sailing isn't really fast. 7 knots feels like you are ripping along with all your sails up and wing & wing.

I sailed on a 133 foot Gaff rigged Schooner and just for fun we put up all the sails. The two big gaff sail; the foresail and mainsail. The fore topsail and main topsail. The jib, the flying jib and the jib topsail. And there was a staysail and a second 'jib' but it was called something else. All put up and taken down by hand. A lot of work.
#4.2 GoneWithTheWind on 2020-06-26 14:50 (Reply)
Schooner rig. Marconi on the main, gaff rigged on the mizzen.
Gaff rig means a quadrilateral sail with a spar at the top as well as the bottom.
#5 William Modahl on 2020-06-25 20:35 (Reply)
Pinky schooner?
#6 The Distributist on 2020-06-25 20:45 (Reply)
Boaty McBoatface
#7 wiseguy on 2020-06-25 21:53 (Reply)
it also has foresail on a boom, and a jib (which is furled, not raised) on the bow-sprit.

is it this one?
https://gannonandbenjamin.com/for-sale/60-auxiliary-schooner-rebecca-2001/

https://www.rovh.space/2018/11/12/pxcvq46dmmznyg1ecp0ijp15c6r6i0
#8 nunnya bidnez jr on 2020-06-25 22:16 (Reply)
Tony.
#9 Sheryl on 2020-06-25 23:25 (Reply)
Hmm, white boat, white sails, blue skies, gotta be RACISTS sailing around in their white privileged hateful, hatey, haters schooner yacht.

Sheesh, ropes and knots all over that thing. Lucky there aren't any drunken Kennedys in the vicinity!
#10 Tally Whagger on 2020-06-26 06:27 (Reply)
The rig is called a schooner. It has a Marconi "main" (the larger, aftermost sail) and a gaff "foresail" (the forward smaller sail on a mast on the two-masted the schooner rig), and appears to have a club footed "staysail" (inner jib, on a boom for self-tending). I can't make out any other jib, but it does probably have one.

A pinky schooner would have a distinctive upswept stern (hence "pinky"), but this one does not have that.
#11 tim ferrell on 2020-06-26 07:20 (Reply)
That's the medium-expensive day sail rig.
#12 barnhill on 2020-06-26 08:36 (Reply)
Man, I'd hate to jibe in that thing!

Also, I wonder about the dynamics of the sail areas. Putting that much sail that far aft would make for odd handling.

(I don't think it's REBECCA (links) unless that boat got a different, longer main boom.)
#13 PubliusII on 2020-06-26 08:54 (Reply)
A schooner tends to be faster than other rigs on a beam reach, or running off the wind. Does not go as close to windward, due to having more sail toward the stern. The schooner rig was favored by the early Grand Banks fishermen. The triangular mainsail is called Marconi, because the mast due to its height has to be stayed, like the original Marconi radio towers. The use of stays allows for a light hollow mast.

The mast for a gaff rig was solid, thick, and short; having a quadrilateral sail with a spar on top increased sail area, as the peak could be pulled higher than the throat (the part touching the upper mast), as shown in the picture.
#14 William Modahl on 2020-06-26 09:09 (Reply)
I used to sail Long Island Sound and ocean race on a 62 foot yawl. Manitou. Look her up. Remarkable history. Still sailing. (I sailed her in 1960-62 before she became famous.)
#15 Stargazer on 2020-06-26 09:23 (Reply)
crewed w/ JFK?
#15.1 nunnya bidnez jr on 2020-06-26 10:04 (Reply)
Before JFK. Our last race was '62 Newport to Bermuda.
#15.1.1 Stargazer on 2020-06-26 11:15 (Reply)
Bald head Schooner w/ a Marcion Main.
#16 Christopher Leavitt (Link) on 2020-06-27 17:56 (Reply)

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