Maggie's Farm

There's no financial or much medical motivation for curing the common cold, that's a main reason why pharma has never invested much in developing a vaccine for other coronaviruses.

I understand, somewhat, why people hear the antivaxxer Sirens, but the risks and effectiveness of vaccines are available with about ten seconds of research online. Some vaccinations for viral diseases are virtually 100% effective, some, like those for the seasonal flu, are still a matter of hit and miss. None of this is secret.

I agree with you on the second point. I suspect that the clickbait media is not fairly presenting lockdown orders, but other than that, you are correct.

As to the first point, the cost of developing a vaccine—from research and discovery to product registration—is estimated to be between US $200 million and US $500 million per vaccine.

source: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1551949/

There are a lot more diseases that get high priority on resources than the common cold.

Always happy to explain constitutional law.

So the federal constitution guarantees certain rights against actions by the federal government and, through the 14th amendment, against the states.

None of these rights is absolute. Most people don't seem to understand that, but it's true. That's why owning images of child pornography or inciting imminent lawless action aren't protected by the 1st Amendment. Individual rights often clash against other individual rights or public interests, and something has to give.

States have some form of law giving governors emergency powers, sometimes with and sometimes without legislative approval. These are called "general police powers" and the USSC has held them constitutional. For example, when used in times of civil unrest, like the LA riots or epidemic disease. So when a governor imposes stay-at-home orders or closes businesses, the action infringes on some individual constitutional rights. This can be challenged in court on constitutional grounds, as is being done with some of the shutdown orders. Now the court has to balance the individual right of a citizen to run his business against the public interest in public health in slowing down an epidemic. Where that balance point is depends on a few things: how important is the public interest, how important is the private right, how much is the private right infringed, is the infringing done with the minimal amount of intrusion. It's complex. The courts will defer to the judgment of the governor to a greater extent the greater the emergency. But it's ultimately very fact specific and those facts will change over time. Extreme measure might be permitted early on, but maybe not as time passes.

When you talk about destroyed business, you're also talking about a separate concept, sovereign immunity, which basically prevents a tort lawsuit against a government for actions that are anything except actions intended to cause harm. Even if the governor is mistaken or negligent, as long as there's some basis for his decision, he's immune.

here's another explanation of constitutional issues.
https://pacificlegal.org/issues-insights-are-continued-shutdown-orders-constitutional/

That's how the constitution works. Rights are not absolute, when they conflict, one is subordinated to the other.

You might not like it, but it isn't up for debate.

This isn't going to be a productive discussion, so I'll end it here.

Los Angeles Will “Never Be Completely Open Until We Have a Cure.”

"Completely" means returning to the way things were, say, back in December. You won't be seeing 20,000 people at the Staples Center, 100,000 at the Coliseum or the cattle calls at the downtown courthouses.

Regrettably, yes. But it is a sacrifice required for the future of the human race.

Why shutdowns are useless

uh... yeah....


Ulster County Government
@UlsterNY
⚠️ PUBLIC HEALTH NOTICE ⚠️

@UCDeptHealth
announced today that a Kingston barber who has been providing haircuts during the last few weeks at a barbershop on Broadway has tested positive this week for the COVID-19 virus.

https://twitter.com/UlsterNY/status/1260693122624950272

You need to get a grip. I hear the virus does funny things to the mind. Maybe you need to get checked out, especially if you've been to that barber, as the County warns.

Anyway, the article claims the lockdown doesn't work, which is true, from a certain perspective, given this example.

If you can maintain some self-control, maybe you could explain why you disagree with the Ulster County Public Health Notice. Should his customers not get tested? I'm curious to see how you try to explain this. If you don't run away.

Be sure to give your credentials.

If you can.

My "fucktarded" comment was directed to some asshat who said he'd be happy to see Blacks and Hispanics die of this disease. I'm wondering why you need to defend that idiot.