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Thursday, July 25. 2019

Puerto Rico

I heard on NPR that PR wants to de-colonize itself.


Please do. Go for it. The US got stuck with you, accident of history. The US would give PR independence any time. To my mind, the US should force independence.

Posted by The News Junkie at 16:26 | Comments (23) | Trackbacks (0)

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What would be smarter would be to send all the refugees within America there. All the Somalians, Iraqis, South and Central Americans and THEN to decolonize.
#1 Anon on 2019-07-25 16:37 (Reply)
Brilliant. What we don’t want is another state.
#1.1 Erp on 2019-07-25 17:47 (Reply)
Their opinion has been divided for decades. They want the best of all worlds - well, who doesn't? I can't fault them for that - but cannot embrace the negatives of any of the three major positions. The US has adopted the attitude of parents who are waiting for their grown child to decide to either move out of the house or start taking their turn mowing the lawn and fixing up the place.
#2 Assistant Village Idiot on 2019-07-25 17:05 (Reply)
Time to cut them loose. PR adds nothing to our economy and we have New Orleans and Massachusetts to remind us what systemic, one-party corruption looks like.
#3 Ken in NH on 2019-07-25 17:49 (Reply)
Don't forget California.
#3.1 William O. B'Livion on 2019-07-26 00:31 (Reply)
And Manhattan (not counting Rudy).
#3.1.1 Bull on 2019-07-26 04:29 (Reply)
And Portland, Seattle, Chicago, Austin, and slowly but surely Denver. I’m sure there are more examples.
#3.1.2 B. Hammer on 2019-07-26 10:51 (Reply)
If they go off on their own, we can let the UN rush to their aid when the next hurricane hits.
#4 Inbred Redneck on 2019-07-25 18:22 (Reply)
Worse yet, don't let The Clinton Foundation on shore. PR will never recover.
#4.1 jma on 2019-07-25 20:56 (Reply)
Agreed. If they get their act together, they could be the Singapore of the Caribbean. That might pay dividends in terms of the futures of neighboring Latin American states. Or it might not change a thing. Either way, they have less to lose.
#5 Phil, Jr. on 2019-07-25 18:36 (Reply)
Don't forget that we are natural born citizens. Same as if born in Texas, Rhode Island or montana.

Irrevocable by the US.

How many of us woul immediately move to the upper 50?

Sure you want that?

How many remaining women might go to Fl to have their babies who would then have Irrevocable us citizenship.

Be careful what you wish for.

I agree that Current Commowealth status is unsustainable.

John
#6 John on 2019-07-25 19:12 (Reply)
The people of Puerto Rico will have to choose either to be citizens of one country or of the other. There would be no future natural born citizens there. We can ban the birth tourism to boot, too.
#6.1 Fred on 2019-07-25 19:17 (Reply)
That works both ways. 3 million Americans could go to Puerto Rico and buy land and homes and take over the country. Having said that it would be the best thing that ever happened to PR and maybe they would finally have full employment and an end to the terrible corruption of PR politicians.
#6.2 Anon on 2019-07-25 20:29 (Reply)
I agree. Cut Puerto Rico loose, they are a parasitical country and we've done nothing but enable them. On their own, maybe they'd be forced to tackle their own problems for once.
#7 RebeccaH on 2019-07-25 20:10 (Reply)
Fred,

No space to get into it here but with a very few exceptions for fraud in naturalization us citizenship is absolutely irrevocable. See for example

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nishikawa_v._Dulles

Nishakawa was a us citizen served in Japanese army in ww2 lost his citizenship Supremes restored it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afroyim_v._Rusk

Polish born, us naturalized in the 20s moved to Israel in the 50s lost his us citizenship on election in an Israeli election. Restored by the Supremes.

I could cite some others but these will give you the idea.

I could become a citizen of independent Puerto Rico and the US cannot touch my US citizenship or passport.

A US citizen coming from an independent pr to FL would not be a "birth tourist" absent some Constitutional amendment there would be no way to ban it.

John
#8 John on 2019-07-25 21:23 (Reply)
Fred, current law defines "the United States" as the 50 states, DC, Guam, PR and marianas island" for 14th Amendment citizenship.

Samoans and Swain Islanders are "nation s but not citizens of the US"

Congress could change that tomorrow but could not change the US citizenship of someone born today or earlier.

In that you are correct and I may have been unclear on that point.

John
#9 John on 2019-07-25 21:35 (Reply)
And us virgin island in def of us.

Fred,

We would be happy to have you move here and a number of Continental are doing so. Contintenals be ya'll from the upper 50

Maybe not 3mm at once but we would love to have you and other than language, not much different from moving Pennsylvania to Texas.

Move to Miami and not even much language difference

John
#10 John on 2019-07-25 21:42 (Reply)
John,

Thanks for the 3 replies. The Commonwealth of Puerto Rico is a territory, not a state, as are Guam and American Samoa. So they will still be citizens? Good for them. They'll get no services in a foreign country so they'll have fun paying all the bills the left ran up in 50+ years of corrupt government operations. So Cuba is going to conquer Puerto Rico? That's pretty funny. I hope they enjoy the free health care Castro provides.
#10.1 Fred on 2019-07-26 13:31 (Reply)
I thought the whole idea with independence is that on independence day all of its citizens would renounce their citizenship, en masse. It would be an integral part of the independence agreement.
#11 CapitalistRoader on 2019-07-25 22:30 (Reply)
If we cut PR loose and didn't defend them, PR would be owned by Cuba within a year.

I believe we made a big mistake granting Cuba independence in 1936.
#12 jdgalt on 2019-07-26 00:03 (Reply)
We made a big mistake not supporting the Cubans in 1961 when they wanted to take back their country from Castro.
#12.1 Anon on 2019-07-26 17:22 (Reply)
Why stop at Puerto Rico? Shouldn't California, New York, and Hawaii be ejected from the United States, too?
#13 Mark Brophy (Link) on 2019-07-27 18:47 (Reply)
Puerto Rico was kept a territory to guard the approaches to the Panama Canal. It was essential that the US Navy and merchant traffic be able to go west to east coast and back quickly.

A list of Puerto Rico holidays is instructive, They include standard US holidays (Independence, Labor, Memorial Day), Columbus Day, the day Spain Abolished Slavery in the 1870’s, liberation from Spain and the day the US granted them citizenship in 1917. Pretty good list I think. For an island that imports pretty much everything, they suffer from the Jones Act that requires the use of USA built ships and crews. So import costs are enormous. Oil is shipped from Trinidad rather than Texas as is Natural Gas.

Pretty good Americans I think, with local Government no worse than Illinois or NYS.
#14 DirtyJobsGuy on 2019-07-28 15:46 (Reply)

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